"Well, rap isn't music -- rap is talking. It has meter, it has rhyme, but it's not music. It's okay...

>"Well, rap isn't music -- rap is talking. It has meter, it has rhyme, but it's not music. It's okay, I have no problem with it, it just isn't music, and people who get to be great at rap are not great musicians, they're just great at rap. There's no road from rapping into music.

>"Capital draws, redraws, and enforces lines between workers according to structural necessity: It knows how to fight a class war as a race war and call it a drug war; it knows if you subject women to a culture of physical, psychological, sexual, and emotional abuse, you can pay them less; it knows borders aren’t for keeping people out, they’re for controlling the wages of the people they let in.

>“A man who chooses between drinking a glass of milk and a glass of a solution of potassium cyanide does not choose between two beverages; he chooses between life and death. A society that chooses between capitalism and socialism does not choose between two social systems; it chooses between social cooperation and the disintegration of society. Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an alternative to any system under which men can live as human beings.

>"Well, baseball isn't a sport -- baseball is a bunch of guys on a field. It has strategy, it has teams, but it's not a sport. It's okay, I have no problem with it, it just isn't a sport, and people who get to be great at baseball are not great sportsman, they're just great baseball players. There is no road from baseball into sports.

lmao looks like this cuck got triggered

>someone isn't singing over music, just "talking"
>its not music!!!!

hmmmmmmm, what did he mean by this?

Way to mix it up to make it sound bad you fucking retard.

>rap is talking

literally what he said
you cant make this shit up senpai

It is talking.

>music
>an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.

Uh oh, lets see you mental gymnastics your way out of this. How does rap not fit into this definition?

Never said it was not music. faggot.

this would mean that spoken word music isnt music either, which I find hard to agree with.

Rap isn't music, but hip-hop is.

>that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
>and color.
What?

t. person who has never rapped, or even attempted to rap

Its like a guitarist saying drums aren't an instrument because it isn't a guitar.

he died before he could witness the full cultural and musical influence rap has had on subsequent generations of musicians.

rap/hip-hop (along with electronic) expanded the narrow definition of "music" from the older generation.

truths
thank you

you basically implied that the quote sounded fine and that that user misrepresented it to make it sound bad so, ya, you did

Color:
5. vivid or distinctive quality, as of a literary work:
"Melville's description of a whaling voyage is full of color."

He died in 95, rap had gone mainstream at least a decade previous; classic rock acts like Bob Dylan (who we all know the Dead were the biggest fangirls of), The Beach Boys and Aerosmith had all done collaborations with hip-hop artists. Garcia knew full well what he was saying.

Jerry would have liked Kanye

If he had live longer he almost definitely would've embraced it. Mickey Hart uses a lot of samples and synths during his drum solo fun times nowadays.

>Its like a guitarist saying drums aren't an instrument because it isn't a guitar.

t. person who has never played drums or guitar

rap sucks

No i didn't. Just the way he wrote it.

Sometimes I sit back with a buddha sack, mind in another world thinking how can we exist through the facts? Written in school textbooks, bibles ECT, fuck a school lecture, the lies get me vexxed up.

replace "baseball" with "pro wrestling", and maybe you'll start to get the idea.

>pro wrestling isnt a sport

Yeah just ignore those instruments that make up a beat which technically is music

shut

>rhythm, melody, harmony

>UUUUUHH NIGGAS IN THA HOOD, HIT RACKS ON DEM BITCHES NIGGA over a stolen (I mean, "sampled") tune
>Fulfilling any of these

>vivid or distinctive quality, as of a literary work
How exactly do you measure such a quality?

Is brutal death metal music?

You don't.

Exactly, cause you see, rap music. I don't know what that is.
This is hip hop.

You must be stupid. You are on a board for music and you don't know what tone colors are? Do you even play an instrument? Are you a child?

rap more like crap lmao go do some more bongos nig nogs

Than how can it be said to exist? How can you qualify what music is using it?

it's almost like the abstraction of soundwaves as having artistic quality is just an idea, not a fact...

wow, this is pretty deep shit right here

(are you literally 12)

It's almost like that's the point I'm talking about

wow, this is pretty sarcastic shit right here

(are you literally this stupid)

got me

>listened to only tyga or lil wayne

Would you say an MF DOOM song is the same as a Kodak Black

Is it weird to take influence in other music? Led Zeppelin didnt write a lot of their songs, I don't get why music has to be a certain way or else its just garbage I like it all man

Semantic memery based on one pretentious faggot's personal definitions of "music" and "rap" made out to be some kind of bold statement when it isn't really a statement of anything other than the speaker's refined taste for cock

That's exactly the point you were struggling to understand as far as I see it.

>How can you qualify what music is using it?

You can't. Music can't be qualified, it's an idea. A human construction. An application of meaning to reality.

>significant forms
>harmony
>color
There are like 2 rap songs that fit into your own definition though.

Have you heard of something called the Socratic Method?