Well in pop the whole song is supposed to be interesting. There's usually at least two great ideas, a verse and chorus. Or on the experimental end you have many interesting sections. In classical and jazz they just wank over the one or two good ideas they had at the start. Jazz is the worst for it since the development isn't even supposed to be good in itself, it's them trying to make up something good on the spot which is incredibly stupid since good stuff takes time and effort and doesn't come spontaneously.
Poptism saved music.
Isaiah Bell
shut the fuck up
Wyatt Rivera
>be me >wonder what malinowski has been up to >go to his channel >see this
>In classical and jazz they just wank over the one or two good ideas they had at the start If you cant admire the ideas composers put down to develop these one or two good ideas then maybe classical isnt for you
That's the thing though, an idea that's good enough doesn't require development. There is only so much duration you can have of the highest quality within one single idea. Once that's done you should move to the next idea instead of developing it. Then maybe repeat both and end the song.
Forms like the rondo or even short preludes had it right. What they lacked was immersion, and pop gave it that with human voices, feelings and sounds.
James Rivera
would you take top 40 music any day over the the classical canon, if you had to pick one?
Top 40 isn't the best of poptism so no. That's a false comparison.
Jayden Long
>prlrm-pi-pi-pi >prlrm-pi-pi-pi >prlrm-pi-pi-pi
What did he mean by this?
Joseph Cox
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Levi Cook
I'm trying to get at the characteristics that attract you to pop. Since you don't consider top 40 the best, I rule out "the most superficially attractive as possible" criterion.
Samuel Parker
I was waiting for it then kek'd realizing it was *that* Vivaldi rhythm.
Does anyone know if Schubert was into Vivaldi? Compare the Maiden Quartet and the String Quintet.
Jason Lewis
Development is my favorite part about classical music. It creates tension on both a formal level, by liquidating and transforming the themes and on a harmonic level by constantly changing keys. IMO development is when composers show the true extent of their prowess. I don't like rondos that much and I think jumping from one theme to the next lacks cohesion (in general, there are exceptions obviously) which is very much unfavorable to me. You can disagree and that's fine. The beauty of music is that there's enough variation to suit the needs/desires of everyone.
Ryan Lee
I don't think top 40 is the most attractive possible since it compromises a lot for commercial reasons. But I already described some superficial characteristics.
What you call tension is the fact that the theme has been taken to a lower level of quality, to take your example, the theme was perfect for only one key and then it is taken to keys that suit it less well. Development is when composers show their ability to keep small amount of life in a theme that is being dragged through hostile conditions. That takes craft of course but music has been moving away from that as time goes on. Immersion for the listener is much more important.
Nolan Bell
Rondos don't usually (from my experience) just jump from 1 theme to another, they usually play a theme, develop that theme in 1 direction and lead back into the main theme, and then develop the theme in a different direction. Or at least that's how I look at it.
Could you give us a few recs of your favorite pop artists? I'd like to listen to more sophisticated pop.
Brody Sanchez
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing how putting a theme in a different key lowers the quality of the music. If you mean that you feel uneasy hearing something in the "wrong" key and that unease lowers the quality of the music then yeah sure. You and I get immersed in different ways I guess. Because that unease is what immerses me (and doesn't lower the quality of the music).
I wasn't implying they did and if my post made it seem like I was then sorry.
>not telling you any others because you'll just shitpost >posts the one most receptive to shitposting Just post the rest man
Brody Nelson
What a gay sissy "storm".
Ayden Watson
I'm not interested in shitposting. I want pop recs from people who are familiar with classical. If you have anything less mainstream than a Beatle, rec away.
So now I want to listen to more Schubert but I don't know where to start, I might read the wikipedia but figured you guys could be a more valuable source
Yes, I'm starting piano classes next week. Hope I find a friend or someone nice.
Jackson Russell
if you have the option to take lessons with a bunch of other students in the same room, even though it's less efficient, do it
Blake Baker
I took the option for private piano classes :/, quite expensive ones at that by some 40 years old concert player. I hope I can make friends with him, I'll invite him over to my place after the second class.
I'm not gay.
Justin Bell
>I'm not gay
lol ok
Hunter Reyes
good luck with that consider that alternative if you're still lonely after some time there's another benefit to working with other people when individual motivations are aligned with social motivations, we produce more
Listen to his String Quintet (not to be mistaken with the Trout puano quintet) first and fore most. It's the greatest piece of chamber music ever composed.
Then anything from D. 911 (Winterreise) onward. Listen to the rest of the trio you linked, the Fantasy in f minor, Drei klavierstucke, Impromptus, the last three piano sonatas, the e-flat mass, the C major symphony.
If you dig that stuff, listen to his b-flat piano trio, piano sonata d. 845, the unfinished symphony, arpeggione sonata. That's just a start. His later output is really a goldmine.
Hudson Gonzalez
Why? Most people are awful and 95% of the "friends" you make don't give two shits about you.
Mason Lopez
>Not wanting a good friend in your life.
My last best (and only) friend passed away in a car accident 3 months ago. I've been lonely ever since.
I don't understand this idea of "oh people are so awful", I mean yes many are but many aren't.
Owen Morales
I, on the other hand, think user was generous with his 95%. I find a lot more than that are intolerable if you have any degree of intimacy.
A good friend is a rare gem.
Ian Green
good shit user, thanks
Asher Morgan
autism
Ryder Ward
I guess so, there's a lot of human filth out there. I know a lot of high class people so I don't get exposed a lot to the low class trash that some people are.
autism is a buzzword that has lost all its meaning.
Nicholas Davis
t. autist
Nathan Parker
>underage
Elijah Nelson
You can, you just need to be able to talk to people in a manner that makes them want to talk back. I talk to loads of old people at concerts I go to who then invite me for drinks and got a gf out of a piano trio concert I went to a couple of years ago.
But yeah, just strike up conversation about the music with someone who seems vaguely receptive and you're on your way :^)
Cooper Sullivan
Thank you very much for the answer.
I'll have to learn a bit more music theory first I guess, I don't want to seems pretentious but it'll be difficult to have a nice conversation with someone while being a know nothing on topic classical music.
Asher Taylor
you don't need music theory to share your enthusiam for certain composers
/classical/ gets away with shitposting, but you obviously shouldn't have us as a reference
learn how to be a positive person and the rest will come naturally
Asher Lee
To be honest the majority of people there won't particularly want to talk theory. Talk about your favourite pieces by any of the composers featured in the concert, favourite performers/recordings, any other concerts you've been to recently or any you plan on going to and then you can start talking to the other person more individually i.e. do they come often, what do they do and build from there.
If you start talking about how interesting it is that the retrograde of the fugal subject is expounded in the subdominant as the second theme, you're probably going to be met with blank stares or confronted with somebody who knows a lot more than you do and so you won't have much of a conversation
Easton Bailey
You're right, tomorrow I'm going to a concert and I'll see how it goes. I really enjoy classical music, so even if I don't make any new connections I'll be fine.
I went to a ballet today /classical/, and the programme had credits for "libretto". How can a ballet have a libretto? Isn't the libretto the words that are sung in an opera?
