"Music is about feeling, not thinking"

How true is this statement?

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Even one of my local news anchors actually had to say "So long space robots."

It's 90% true, even lyrics make you feel first but they also make you think.

what the fuck?

Please explain the difference between feeling and thinking.

Because there was an interesting conversation on Sup Forums about why "lefties" make the best music and then fpbp said my quote. Additionally I also just saw pic related and:

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They essentially trade away a good college education for muh feels and special snowflakeness
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so yeah

>they also make you think.
this post really makes me think

Like if rock bands or whatever emphasise edginess or believing in yourself etc, in real life that won't help you if you just listen to them and don't actively strive to do anything.

no idea specifically but its happened a couple times lately which I've seen referenced on Sup Forums even though I barely go there I swear

we've probably been under very strict scrutiny ever since that one guy on /r9k/. Even one of my local news anchors actually had to quote "So long space robots."

I don't agree. If you choose to write music while only "thinking" or you choose to write music while only "feeling" you are doomed to failure. All good music requires some level of thinking, even the most sloppy, raw music you can think of. Even noise. Music is the organization of sound, and to organize that sound in a way that means something, you have to think about the structure. But on the other hand, writing music using theory only leads to mechanical music, and sometimes leads prevents you from understanding the more difficult to grasp concepts of theory, like coherence, logic and development of themes, leading to brain-dead prog metal masturbation.

Well here in New Zealand I think two years ago some guy posted on /r9k/ as a threat to shoot up the University of Otago. It was taken very seriously and they found the perpetrator before anything happened.

You know news websites. They'll recite anything internet related in the most cringey way possible.

What the fuck does that have to do with my question?

Every single post in this thread is making me feel so confused. Crossposters please kill yourselves.

>Music is the organization of sound
okay when you put it that way then yes definitely some thinking is involved. My mistake, I should have stated my case more specifically.

In an economic standpoint music is a "failure" because it is hard to predict the success of an artist or at the very least fit them into a profitable niece environment in which to make money. Additionally their future success is also heavily questionable.

Very true. Why do you think blacks are so good at it? They don't think, they feel

Do you have any locals favorites this year? I picked up the Broods album and its not too bad.

The thinker or the feeler or the experiencer and the experiences are all together - they're all one.

have you ever listened to venetian snares?

I think you should start with the Greeks.

NZ music kinda sucks but I do like Gin Wigmore, Fat freddy's drop and Ladyhawke. I don't particularly love any NZ artist even though I have an obscure Die! Die! Die! vinyl

I randomly saw these guys play many years ago and picked up the album which was pretty good.

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cool stuff. Never heard of em but I kinda bet they were on Flying Nun records. Flying nun is like the Matador/XL/Epitaph of NZ so I bet any "creative" artists are there

if you particularly like it they're basically like Scratch Acid which is maybe why they played here in Austin

>Scratch Acid
oh cool. gotta give those guys a listen

The fact that the pop industry is so succesful says otherwise, m8.

their vocals are often a lot harsher, albeit famously so, but the instrumentation is basically coming from the same exact place.

Yes but how many pop stars do you think there are? Now how many current and successful ones are there that are in this moment topping the charts? Leona Lewis was extremely successful in the mid 2000s, now her newest album can't even sell 100 000 copies

Google is telling me that they are one of the pioneers of noise rock

Where the fuck did this "economic standpoint" shit come from? What's this thread even about?

ITT over-thinkers

>What's this thread even about?

If music is economically viable since it's all built around "feels" and from business standpoint you can't measure or calculate feels to turn a profit

Sorry if this isn't making sense

Well that sounds like it's just her managers were shit at doing their job, most succesful pop stars have been succesful their whole lives when they have a team of actually competent people, from the Beatles to Justin Timberlake people have been able to make profittable careers out of music, like in most crafts the ones who are actually good at what they do stay afloat for however long they want while the mediocre bubble riding losers eventually sink to the bottom.
You don't even need feelings to be succesful. I'm sure Justin Bieber and his group of songwriters and managers don't even care about the music they put out yet they're still there making millions of dollars.
Music can be whatever you want it to be. Ifyou wanna make music only with your brain to make a profit out of it, you can make it, it's only a matter of being smart enough to get the right connections.

Oh, you're high. Got it.

half true.
music is about both thinking and feeling.

pretty accurate

There's a good new documentary about the amrep noise rock label if you're into that.

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Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't

The fuck you talking about

I don't see how they're fundamentally different things.

You think about how you can portray feelings when you make/listen to music.

You need both. Some people have shit feelings and they produce total crap that sounds like they are trying too hard, and some people have so much thinking they produce shitty "functional" jazz compositions.

its ABOUT feeling so like expression

it requires thinking which is a big part of feeling

it's about enjoyment. If you find enjoyment in thinking, then why not

Becomes less true the older you become.

i dont have time for man on boy

Music should take you mind and soul on a journey.

its jesus lizard m8 before jesus lizard
the guys from sccratch acid were albinis band for rapeman iirc

>le false compromise

whoever said that is an asshole who wants to feel smart over listening to genres he doesnt like.
it´s incredibly vague insult from narcistic elitist and nothing more.

>tl;dr stop liking what i dont like

Saturday, August 27 at 11:00 PM
The Lost Well presents a special lounge night with David Yow (Jesus Lizard/Scratch Acid) and Jazzus Lizard plus The Future of Air Travel and Obsessive Repulsive fet Brett from Scratch Acid!

I'm flipping the fuck out because I have to work and its super hard to get this night off. I can only assume this is a once in a lifetime event.

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Just posting full sized pic since that crop gives me cancer.

no its not

the reasons shit like this exists is because music, like porn, is a direct line to your ass and your gonads via your ears (as well as some other emotions and feelings and shit) and that is more powerful than counting how many times geddy hits the bass off the beat in three and a half bars of 13/12

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He was also in the first and much lesser known Jerry's Kids

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will look it up
tnx

my pleasure. Ironically the record only caught my attention in my old drug dealer's collection because I was apparently working for the guitarist's mom's political campaign. Although I actually haven't ever verified Steve's relation to Karen Sonleitner

100% true but I like thinking about it. Some people shit on intellectualizing. I think it's fun and sometimes technical observations or analyzing something will lead me to an idea that sounds interesting to say but I have no real idea what the emotional quality of it is like i'll have no idea what itll feel like but then ill try it and itll be really tight. its good for like getting cool out of the box techniques or rhythms but not for like coming up with the emotional substance of what the song is.

dyionesian for life but apollonian for fun and keeping my brain fit

thats ok, but a dope tone row can be more effective than some shit sentimentality
cliches like op's will never hold true in the minxy land of art

THey are awesome

Not very.

Your premise isn't precise at all (since "feeling" is just thinking) it should have been "Instinctual versus Consciously."
I'm going to proceed as though this was your intent.

Some melody writing, and basically all free jams and improvisation, etc are usially instinctual. If you jump into some 12-bar blues jam, you're just going to blunder through your jambag of favorite improv riffs.

However most written songs are assembled and completed with conscious thought, even if a great melody or two from a particular piece came instinctually while you were on the shitter.

t. working musician

keep working bb
cuz this clap trap is crap

I fuck with Die! Die! Die! pretty hard.
Salvia Palth is a great NZ artist if you're into that Orchid Tapes-esque lo-fi stuff

Doesn't apply you fucking dunce.

in my experience this is true but not really in any applicable way. highly mechanical, thought out passionless music has its place as does musical flailing around trying to express whatever.
new Trust Punks record is v good

If you don't feel it what's the point?

60% feeling, 30% thinking, 5% math, 5% pussy