[Frank Zappa] favored capitalism, entrepreneurship, and independent business ... [he] opposed communism, stating...

>[Frank Zappa] favored capitalism, entrepreneurship, and independent business ... [he] opposed communism, stating, "A system that doesn't allow ownership ... has—to put it mildly—a fatal design flaw."

D R O P P E D so hard.

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how about you just listen to the music you dork

If you legitimately believe in communism please do the world a favor and kill yourself

Get back in the shed, Greg.

Yes because a system where-in the creative arts industry is run by the government would work so wonderfully

>lumping nu male liberals with anarchists and communists

be glad this wasn't 1979 or you'd get curbstomped for being an alt right frogposting retard

i favor capitalism but i find frank zappa annoying

Zappa was one of the most based conservatives out there.

extremely obvious bait

...

How is TWIABP or OP anarchist/communist? That band is the definition of nu male bandwagon cucks.

i favor leftism but i find frank zappa brilliant

This
also
>implying Frank Zappa wasn't a liberal
>implying all liberals are communist
>implying communists even like liberals

>atheist
>disliked Reagan
>opposed War on Drugs
Nice conservative ya got there :^)

I think that was the point he was trying to make.

Also, please can you not lump these cry-baby trust fund faux-radicals in with us traditional liberals? We hate them as well.

>communism doesn't allow ownership

[citation needed]

Except communists don't aim to end private ownership, just private ownership of the social means of production. We don't give a shit about your dirty socks.

Yeah Zappa's music is really bad and his persona is that of an lol random tryhard

kinda wish we had a communist take over
these guys would be amongst the first to die horrible deaths in a gulag

What about the memes of production?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA get cucked nazifag.

>i favor capitalism

faggot

Pole, here

Are you Western communists blind? How far does your head have to be up your own ass for you to not see that it just does not work? I don't get it. You're all from resource rich families, you live in nice safe suburbs and don't have to work your ass off every day to pay for food, what is your struggle? What is your great fight? Who on earth is "oppressing" you?

>inb4 "ummmm ackshully... that was not really communism"
It's what happened every single time in every single country, from 1918 to present day. Communism is the worst self inflicted thing to happen to human civilization.

This

>conservative = american conservative

this is why no one likes your breed, amerimutt

was capitalism perfect from the very start? lets say it began with the industrial revolution. us nerd boys have it good but was it always good and is it good now?

>Every single person in the West lives in suburbs
>living in the suburbs and having rich parents=happiness
>Capitalism never hurt anybody ever only Communism
>Useless platitude about how terrible Communism is without any type of empirical evidence or educated opinion apart from "I was there"

Wew lad

>expecting a polack to have a functional brain

wew lad

kys

>musician
>qualified to speak about politics

Pick one.

>Expecting Capitalism to provide anybody with a decent education about the world which isn't riddled with spooks and ideology

Wew lad

Zappa always struck me as economically conservative and socially liberal

except when it came to hippies and drugs. Read a while ago on Sup Forums he fired a guy for playing a guitar solo without his amp plugged in because he was stoned out of his mind.

We might be happy but what about the little Chinese slaves that make our shit? Systematic destruction of the environment? Modern alienation? Capitalism.

>Sup Forums posters

>qualified to speak about politics

>"I'm interested in the capitalistic way of life, and the reason I like it better than anything else I've seen so far is because competition produces results. Every socialistic type of government where the State theoretically owns everything, and everybody does their little part to help the State, inevitably produces bad art, it produces social inertia, it produces really unhappy people, and it is more repressive than any other kind of government."

wtf I love Zappa now

>there is nothing except capitalism or communism!!!

see

Thank you, that was the original purpose of my post.
Even if I were not a leftist, I'd've still D R O P P E D Zappa for this meaningless platitude.

gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx

>It's what happened every single time in every single country, from 1918 to present day. Communism is the worst self inflicted thing to happen to human civilization.
Let's forget WW1, WW2, fascism, all the bloody capitalist dictatorships or fake-democracies that covered most of the globe most of the 20th century and still largely do, the incapacity of capitalism to overcome global hunger, climate change, global terrorism, the constant economic crises, and so on.

>Every Socialistic type of government where the State theoretically owns everything

>Every Socialistic type of government

>The State theoretically owns everything

When will this meme finally die

I never said that m8 I just said that as long as Capitalism is the economic system it perpetuates the idea of the Nation-State as a necessary societal organization and the Master/Slave relationship as a "necessary evil" to continue the world spinning, despite this having no evidence apart from preserving the power yielded by massive wealth.

Zappa was very anti-drug, but he largely hated the hippies not because of their proclaimed ideals, but because he felt they weren't actually acting in accord with them; to Zappa, the average hippie was just a 'normie' interested in drugs and sex, not genuine change.

capitalism is the sole reason why people live to 75 today instead of dying at 30

people have the luxury today of deriding the system that gave them their computer to whine about it instead of being dead by now or working 16 hours a day picking rocks out of a muddy field

Zappa was basically the original Alt-Right Libertarian type. As in, he thought being "le TRUE rebel!" meant constantly acting in a way to trigger the hippies and Left-leaning counterculture while believing in everything they hated except for long hair so that he could equally trigger his mommy and daddy

>tfw you are the superior REAL REBEL XD because you trigger both those evil libruls trying 2 get the government to do everything 4 u and also ur dumb parents who are offended by u wanting 2 suck a trap's dick haha

yes
>us nerd boys have it good
but is it good for others?

>lol random
Have you ever heard the man speak? He's very direct and serious most of the time. And Zappa's music is good, everyone knows that

Whoops wrong pic sorry m8s

Only capitalism can save us all.

This

Well, he's not wrong

Agree with the first part, disagree with the second

He wasn't conservative, just right wing

Leftist is bad, seriously

Depends on what you mean by liberal here

It does, but it's still shit

The point remains

>let's try communism yet another time! Btw, gulag XD
No

You are the faggot

It was an improvement on the previous state, unlike communism which was a decline in almost every possible way

>Chinese slaves
Yes, from a communist country
>environment
Doesn't mean you can't protect it while still being capitalist. Same goes for communism
>alimentation
Meme
Capitalism is still better

Well, he had actual political experience

>master/slave relationship as "necessary evil"
Maybe if you stopped working at McDonald's you would change your mind

Despite all of this, communists government still have a greater death toll.
>bloody capitalist dictatorships
For example? All the ones which improved the quality of life of their citizens instead of getting all of them into poverty like the communists?
Yeah, no
Capitalism is indeed overcoming world hunger, with international poverty decreasing every year. Just don't expect it to be solved from one day to another, and don't expect communism is a better alternative, because it's not.

Well, he's not wrong.

Literally yes

yes its good for others

which do you think is worse:

1. family in china, everyone works, even the kids working long hours in a factory, they have a house, they have food, they grow their wealth over generations

2. family in China, only the parents work, don't make enough money for some essential, maybe can't buy enough food, or not enough oil for heat, multiple people in the family die, the accrue no wealth over the generations, centuries pass of most everyone in the society in a miserable existence

>artist who made a living exploiting capitalism doesn't like opposition

@66811823
>tripfag
>ever being anything but obnoxious
I'm already breaking my one rule (see pic related) by gracing you with a "reply", but I'm not gracing you with a (You).

holy shit this is a dumb post. you have the argumentative skill of a five year old.

>It was an improvement on the previous state
how was factory work better than artisan/home manufacturing?

I've always thought of Zappa as a centrist/libertarian type, opposed to the leftist ideals of the hippies, the neo-liberalism of modern democrats and the traditional conservatism of the then establishment right.

>they have food
>they grow their wealth over generations

wouldn't it be better if they didn't live miserable existences in factories with the vague purpose of "we'll accrue wealth" that never really culminates in anything?

Everybody is being obnoxious in this thread, quit your confirmation bias

Yeah, that's because I'm replying to like 20 posts, of course my arguments aren't going to be very elaborate, you idiot

You get better wages by doing more specialized labour
Also, you can still be an artisan now

It's true though. Poverty in china is decreasing, which means families grow wealth over generations

a true communist or anarchist would not be so disgustingly ableist, you FUCKING SHITLORD

>wouldn't it be better if they didn't live miserable existences in factories
Because the alternative isn't any better
>with the vague purpose of "we'll accrue wealth" that never really culminates in anything?
Because they do increase their wealth

lel

>quit your confirmation bias

>everybody is being obnoxious in this thread
You know what they say, people have a tendency to see themselves in others.

>better wages
obviously but how were factory living conditions immediately better than home manufacturing?

>Yeah, that's because I'm replying to like 20 posts, of course my arguments aren't going to be very elaborate, you idiot

lmao, see there's a difference between elaborate arguments and just spouting simplistic bullshit. also if you won't put in the effort to contribute to the discussion properly, then don't fucking post

lmao classcuck

Zappa was definitely a conservative towards the latter period of his life. You're confusing conservatism with religious neoliberal authoritarian hogwash that dominated the Republican Party from his time to this day.
^this guy knows

Modern socialists/communists are like young earth creationists if young earth creationists were also total fucking fedoras

>painting creationism as deluded

no user, YOU are the fedora

I'm just saying I'm not being as obnoxious as other anons.
By that logic, the poster who told me I'm obnoxious should be obnoxious as well.
That saying is pretty stupid anyways.

They were not immediately better, but they were an improvement considering you could now buy more food, better housing, luxuries, etc

I'm not making elaborate arguments right now because I know not everybody will reply to said arguments or even read them.
If you want me to clarify something just tell me.
>if you won't put in the effort to contribute to the discussion properly, then don't fucking post
I AM putting effort. Why do you think I replied to over 20 posts?

The USA left-wing? Radiohead? Can?
I don't know, doesn't seem very accurate. I will need some sources on those statements
btw, Victor Jara is pretty pleb, replace it with Violeta Parra instead.

See

To be fair it is typical of socialists to descend in to Lamarckism

based zappa

>live like shit for ages so my sons sons sons live ok and some other schlub family has to work in shitty factories

sounds pretty retarded to me

you're putting in effort (lmao at this requiring effort on your part), but you forgot the "contribute to the discussion" part

>I'm not being as obnoxious as other anons
I don't know, man. I don't see other anons (You)ing tens of other anons in large chunks of text and replying to them with semi-pithy one-liners that contribute to the conversation in only the most abstracted and loosely-interpreted meaning of the term.

>They were not immediately better, but they were an improvement considering you could now buy more food, better housing, luxuries, etc

yeah for the merchant/middle class. what about the factory people.

It takes a massive amount of either rationalizing or sheer denialism or both to pretend capitalism hasn't objectively improved the lot of virtually everyone who has come under it. It's as retarded as pretending the South wasn't really fighting for slavery in the Civil War. It's no wonder almost everyone's who's far left economically in the modern age is such a sexless neckbeard.

so where does that ability to not live in miserable existences in factories MAGICALLY come from?

this is what is so fucking retarded about liberals

they think reality will bend to their good thoughts or 'how things whould be'

basic mathematics are going to magically bend to the whim of people who don't want kids to be working in factories just because they BELIEVE its bad

of course it sucks, you belief in 'thats bad' is not going to change it

He also despised the Velvet Underground and the Beatles. What other shitty opinions did he have?

What is this, Sup Forums?

CAN literally means "communism, anarchism, nihilism"

>sounds pretty retarded to me
See
>Because the alternative isn't any better
Also
>live like shit for ages so my sons sons sons live ok
The South Koreans drastically improved their situation in a single generation.

>contribute to the discussion part
Well, that's what I'm doing

Because I don't know if they are even going to reply to my post, so I have to take my chances.

>yeah for the merchant/middle class. what about the factory people.
They too improved their situation.

Nice

there's always revolution but with nu-male beta boys like you around that thought wouldn't even cross your mind lmao

>liberals
>communists
Pick one.

Also, holy shit, you actually support child labor?

>Well, that's what I'm doing

no, you're throwing posts into the aether with the amount to "no you're wrong lol"
that's not a contribution to anything

Byrd was/is a communist. OKC is p anticapitalist. Can means Communism Anarchism Nihilism and krautrock was socialist in general.

>They too improved their situation.
in what way?
>South Koreans drastically improved their situation in a single generation
this is a genuine question: where have you read this and what are good things to read in order to learn more about this?

>lumping GG in with the alt-right

jesus christ, do some fucking research

Study the history of Park Chung Hee. His policies weren't exactly libertarian since there was a lot of state direction in what he did, but his policies were extremely market oriented and focused on making Korea competitive in international capitalism.

dunno about radiohead, but CAN and almost all the other kraut-rock bands were total commies. hell, the band Amon Duul II was named "II" because the first incarnation was a bunch of anarcho-commies that literally went around assasinating ex-nazi officials that had found their way into the new german democracy (read up on the Red Army Front). then they all got arrested for being terrorists.

zappa thread so most likely

Thank you.

Getting more wealth, improving working conditions, and from there better quality of life
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_the_Han_River
Neoliberalism is wonderful

That's pretty interesting.
I wish the chart had sources on it though.

death to all commies

>not grouping cringe together

what kind of ocd narcissist faggot posts like this?
like thanks for making it easy to ignore and pointless to reply to.

liberals in the US beat off to the thought of communism

there's apretty good documentary on krautrock by the bbc. you should watch it if you haven't
youtube.com/watch?v=lnMhkkgWpG4

I wish it was longer so they would go more in depth, but it does feature the biggest bands of the time.

>Getting more wealth, improving working conditions, and from there better quality of life
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_the_Han_River
Neoliberalism is wonderful

this is CAPITALISM

when having a discussion, please use the definitions of words used in the civilized world, not the US manglings of them

no they're weak consumerist shills. they're flacid capitalists in favour of state intervention so everyone can enjoy the latest apple products, not just them

why is Satie on there? im pretty sure the dude never made a single political statement in his life. aside from maybe something inflammatory or sarcastic.

in fact, to me, it seems satie stumbled upon absurdism some decades too early, and didn't know how to put it into words, so he just made bizarre music instead

Thanks, but I don't want to get too much into music by now. With the time I could watch that documentary, I would rather watch some other documentary instead.

YES!
>left wing dicator takes over
>whole country ends up into misery, with massive death tolls
>right wing dictator takes over
>the country's social and economic indexes improve, with small death tolls
Capitalism is wonderful.