Sup Forums is a place for egotistical pretentious hipsters to gather around and throw around memes of NMH's "Aeroplane Over the Sea" album cover and pretend that they don't love the "plebian" music that once used to be "so undergroud" or "so lo-fi" or "so raw".
That's the fucking problem with this place. It attempts to classify ever single possible genre in which a band or piece of music could be classified into, then proceeds to create stigmas based on these types of music.
Now I'm not one to say that I enjoy mainstream music either. It's contrived and mindless and should not be considered art by any means, but this shit's gotten fucking ridiculous, Sup Forums.
While all of you fawn over the "underground" culture that has been constructed by the interwebs, what you're really doing is taking all the music that is held so hallowed and "primo" and perpetuating it into an endless cycle.
1). The music (let's say Death Grips for example) is taken and perpetuated on Sup Forums for being "raw" and "innovative" and "engaging".
2) Then pretentious hipster fucks like Anthony Fantano (that knows absolutely nothing about musical composition or what it means to be a musician) make a video review of the music; Thereby either upholding it as musical "genius" or shit.
3). The cyclical hipster wheel then comes full circle back to Sup Forums where it is shared further and fawned over some more.
Eventually, the music you once fawned over becomes popular because of the permeating nature of online media, and what do you do? You stop listening to it because it becomes part of "the mainstream".
Essentially, fuck you Sup Forums. You're a paradoxical message board that defeats itself with every post.
there was a thread a few days ago critizicing the whole"pleb/patrician" culture on this board and saying it was the reason this board is so toxic some times.
Personally, I dont mind it. It forces people to constantly go out and find new and interesting music. The one thing that bugs me, however, is that nobody feels the need to change/evolve our current "Sup Forumscore" at all.
If it never changes and evolves with the times, were just as boring and stale as /r/music, but instead of accepting everyone's taste, we just circlejerk a specific few.
Henry Wilson
The trying to be contrarian trend has fucked up this board. Literally anything on the Sup Forums essentials chart is considered 'meme music' now. And if your favorite album is in there you will constantly get shit on by those 'elite patricians'. A great example of this is death grips. As soon as they got popular and fantano approved of them they stopped being taken seriously. Kinda sucks but what can you do
Henry Walker
Or, people who give a flying fuck about Death Grips or Fantano get fed up with the multiple Death Grips threads and after so long fans have been spamming them, voice their opinions louder.
Stop being retarded and assuming EVERYONE loved Death Grips and now the haters are ex-fans being ''hipsters'' or whatever buzzword you want to pick.
Ryder Sullivan
*people who never gave a
John Clark
>if you like some of the other 95% of music in the world not on the essentials chart you're a contrarian
You're and idiot.
Brody Williams
Why do you need a chart to tell you what most listen to? Fuck Sup Forumscore charts, just explore music.
Lincoln Rogers
>hipster fucks like Anthony Fantano (that knows absolutely nothing about musical composition or what it means to be a musician)
What I don't understand about this place is how much they seem to love pseuds talk about music. Fantano videos are unbearable, and lack a real critical or analytical view. He is also a fucking douche. Maybe they like him because it's so easy to act like him. You don't really need to think a lot, you just have to express your wrong half-thought opinions in douchey ways at people that are as retarded as you but don't spend so much time listening to pseuds and the music they like on the internet.
Elijah Campbell
>Anthony Fantano (that knows absolutely nothing about musical composition or what it means to be a musician) But he is a musician.
Are you?
Jason Sullivan
>and idiot
Where did I imply what you said? I just mean if someone's favorite album is Sup Forumscore they will get shit on by contrarians for having no 'individuality' because they're not allowed to enjoy what they enjoy!!
Nice try though
Connor Gomez
>contrarians Why should anyone care about them?
Kayden Morris
You also are and idiot
Hudson Peterson
and then?
Justin Diaz
Because contrarians and hipsters are the ones fucking up this board?
Nathan Gray
Or rather newfags believing the trolls are fucking up this board.
If you don't like it, ignore it. Or find some other place to talk about music, because this ain't one of them
Easton Murphy
Or maybe it's actually different people with different tastes. If you want a circlejerk and hug box fuck off to reddit.
John Mitchell
Still, you can find a lot of cool stuff here, just try not to think aboout the people you got it from while listening to it
Thomas Rogers
NMH? Who?
Robert Ortiz
The most annoying thing is when people refuse to listen to an album because "it's a meme'. By dismissing an album because of its popularity contrarian Sup Forumstants are missing out on loads of great music.
Gavin Thompson
except this logic will trick you into wasting your time on bad music
Grayson Scott
>nobody feels the need to change/evolve our current "Sup Forumscore" at all.
The only people who feel a need to "change" the Sup Forumscore are people mad that their favorite album isn't represented. Don't fix what isn't broken.
Colton Green
People who like shit music also have the thinnest skin. I think it's because they know deep down they don't have taste and want to put on a face like it doesn't matter but as soon as anyone confronts them they know it's true, and it's true because they haven't put any effort in
Daniel Jones
Spotted the 21 Faggots fan
Brody Thomas
>Then pretentious hipster fucks like Anthony Fantano (that knows absolutely nothing about musical composition or what it means to be a musician) make a video review of the music; Thereby either upholding it as musical "genius" or shit. People that think you need high musical knowledge to review music are the absolute worst.
Josiah Howard
been on Sup Forums for three years and have honestly never seen a sincere discussion of iaots, positive or negative
Alexander Torres
People that think you need high medical knowledge to perform heart surgery are the absolute worst.
Josiah Fisher
Having an opinion on art is not the same as performing a life or death medical procedure. To even attempt to put the two on equal footing is preposterous.
Kayden Martin
people who have different likes then me are pleb trash
Joseph Ward
Fantano seems pretty well informed to me. He knows a fuckton about bands and genre origins, production, etc etc I agree with him 75% of the time on if a record is good. Though he underrated "Yuck" and "Candy Claws" a little IMO.
Anthony Bell
Why? Being knowledgeable in one's profession is desirable, is it not?
Josiah Brooks
gay
David Wright
Music isn't a profession, though. There are things which have high barriers to entry, but these are almost entirely technical fields where becoming acquainted with much of past work takes years and years of disciplined study. To become acquainted with past work and develop opinions based on this experience about art is actually rather simple. Without knowing technical terms, one could easily point out that a chord progression is reminiscent of 'X.'
Michael Morgan
Yeah duh no fucking shit it's awful but I still go on here because there is this certain charm
Christian Carter
>Music isn't a profession, though You clearly aren't a professional musician >entirely technical fields where becoming acquainted with much of past work takes years and years of disciplined study You clearly don't know music theory
Austin Carter
I do know some music theory though. The thing is, an in depth knowledge of music theory is not a prerequisite to having insightful comments about music. Do you not allow yourself to have share your opinions on restaurants or films?
Robert Smith
that's pretty much the point of Sup Forumscore charts though. people new to the board often listen to the albums on that chart, decide what they do and don't like, then continue to explore those genres on their own
Levi Reed
>there are people out there who take Sup Forums seriously
Cameron Cox
Fantano doesn't need to be musician to judge an album.
I don't need to be a painter to criticize a painting etc... It's about understanding, knowledge, and "ears training"
Caleb Cox
Where else are you supposed to get musical recommendations/discussion from? I disagree with nearly every mainstream music 'critic', disagree with insular specialist communities who see people with diverse tastes as being plebs and despise mainstream listeners who just turn the radio and enjoy the latest manufactured cliched hits Without Sup Forums i'd still be mastrubating over dream theatre, pink floyd, queen, muse, led zeppelin, tool and opeth so I'm pretty fucking happy that this place exists. Perhaps you came to the conclusion that mainstream perspectives of music are worthless but I couldn't without Sup Forums.
Ian Davis
Imagine you have heard very little music in your life. How will you even know what's out there to explore without a sampling of some slightly more esoteric stuff?
Lincoln Morgan
>The thing is, an in depth knowledge of music theory is not a prerequisite to having insightful comments about music. I've never seen a non-musician give meaningful insight on music. >Do you not allow yourself to have share your opinions on restaurants or films? If I did, they would not be as valid as people who are filmmakers or chefs
If you don't know what specialization is you should go back to 9th grade economics
Jaxson Russell
>mfw people troughout last weeks threads are starting to realize Sup Forums is Sup Forums tier trash
Nicholas Morris
Whatever man. Congratulations on finding something to be bitter about. Let's not pretend like learning music theory or even an instrument is remotely difficult.
Jackson Reyes
Waaaaa this community is so bad!
Suck a dick
Hudson Rivera
Y'all numales
Anthony Thompson
>bitter You mean better. I am better than you and other non-musicians in regards to music critique
Kevin Watson
HOT NUMALE
Jaxson Gomez
Again, I am a musician. I've played music for over a decade. It's not hard to tell what's going on in a piece of music when you've heard many of them.
Logan Perez
my favorite band is American Football
David Evans
I need an update I've been out of the loop.
Is this album considered a meme or no?
Justin Cruz
We're on the precipice of a /mu cultural revolution
Parker Peterson
>it's an user mistakes the board for an individual entity episode
Daniel Barnes
but the confronter will usually get bashed to high hell on here
Nathan Reyes
this
Adam Stewart
Oh then you already know I'm right,
Well b8ed sir
David Scott
yeah it's a meme dude
Joshua Bennett
Literally this
Christopher Barnes
i've seen a lot of people here legitimately praise it, but it became a meme quickly because >future
Jeremiah Wilson
Isn't that something. We're in 2016, and the music that was supposed to be the gangsta underground has become memed by white suburban mouth breathers
Noah Sullivan
>Now I'm not one to say that I enjoy mainstream music either. It's contrived and mindless and should not be considered art by any means
>Eventually, the music you once fawned over becomes popular because of the permeating nature of online media, and what do you do? You stop listening to it because it becomes part of "the mainstream".
Jose Edwards
You say John Cage, I say James Ferraro You say Stockhausen, I say Dean Blunt You say Schaeffer, I say Daniel Lopatin You say Halim, I say Arca You say erudite, I scream avantgarde!!! You say EDM, I punch you in the face 92% of teenagers have turned into bugs. If you are part of the 8% who still listen to real music, copy and paste this message to another 5 topics. Don't let the spirit of the weird frontier between pop and avantgarde die.
Xavier Cox
>It's another "WE ARE NOT A HIVE MIND WE ALL CAME TO THESE CONCLUSIONS NATURALLY" follow up
Angel Powell
>it's another baseless assumption
Henry Young
ITT: retards that take Sup Forums too seriously.
Stick to /daily/, charts and sharethreads. Or even last.fm if you want to make some friends. Ignore everything else.
Been here a long time. It's the fucking internet. You have to learn to seperate the wheat from the chaff. There's a lot of chaff. But every once in a while you run into that thread or that album that just makes it all worthwhile.
Jaxson Rivera
>Stick to /daily/
Owen Roberts
Post-ironic shitposting, waifufaggotry and lonely tripfags are the cancer that already killed Sup Forums. what
Easton Wilson
/daily/ is fucking terrible.
I'd literally takes Grimes general over /daily/.
Gabriel Reyes
I know, it's so annoying when there's music discussion on the music discussion board. Sometimes I'll post there and no one will even call me a faggot, it's horrible.
Austin Collins
I'd rather be called a faggot 500 times a day than circlejerk with a bunch of pretentious underaged tripfags who are too autistic to use /soc/.
Andrew Davis
Quote me any music theory discussion on any /daily/ thread
Jordan Garcia
Jesus man just kill yourself. There's nothing wrong with those bands you mentioned.
Wyatt Nguyen
fucking this
too many people being contrarian is fucking up the board. Nobody knows what's really representing the board's actual normal thought process
Caleb Green
Music taste is too subjective for this to ever not be the case.
I can guarantee that in 10 years, Sup Forums or its new equivalent on a better Sup Forums or whatever will be going through the exact same cycles.
Easton Rogers
Well, I don't spend too much time on /daily/. I go to those threads to post what I've been listening to/want to listen and ask for recommendations, which are great most of the time. I don't pay attention to the tripfags.
I have discovereda a lot good music in /daily/ and that's basically it.
Liam Clark
They're like 60%+ tripfags. It's insufferable.
I just stick to the share threads and chart/rec stuff.
Owen White
Fantano is an awful critic who can barely describe music but he's really good at talking into a camera which is why he's a youtube celebrity and not a "real critic" and everybody knows that, but it's the best youtube's got, you know? It would be nice if someone could give him a run for his money
I don't know why people make a huge deal about Fantano, I mean, he's just a guy sharing his opinion about music. I don't see how this affects Sup Forums.
Levi Howard
In what way do you use music theory to discuss music? I mean unless you're talking about composing I really can't think of how it would be helpful in describing what you do / don't like about a piece of music, unless you need to reference a really specific part of a song. It's like saying you need to know about structural engineering to discuss what kind of architecture you like. Please enlighten me.
Who is a real critic? What makes him worse than any of other critic? I'd like you to name a real critic that you enjoy reading / listening to.
Owen Torres
The shit Sup Forums fawns over is just as formulaic. It's all noise this, drone that, whiny white guys with acoustic guitars, pretentious art rock, pop with reverb ("art pop"), and any combination thereof. It's all just as formulaic and boring as mainstream music. I don't know if you know this, but indie is big business now. These people make and market faux-experimental pop with quirky tendencies to a middle market of teenagers who don't like mainstream music but also haven't developed real taste.
Josiah Morgan
>music theory on /daily/ Stick to the /prod/
Bentley Davis
>what you do / don't like about a piece of music That's not valid music discussion.
As I said, cancer killing mu lol
Julian Foster
is this pasta?
Colton Brooks
>he comes to Sup Forums to discuss music
Cameron Evans
desu i just come here to find some recommendations, there is no point in discussing anything here
Blake Ward
this is a shit board, on a shit website, for shit people. taking issue with how people act on Sup Forums is like taking issue with a rabid animal eating someone. sure, it's not good, but there's no real way to fix it, and you can only get it to stop by killing it.
Oliver Fisher
>>what you do / don't like about a piece of music >That's not valid music discussion. Great rebuttal. Seems like you aren't really good at discussing anything, let alone music.
Blake Lee
and this is the shittiest post of them all, congratulations
Isaac King
>Great rebuttal. Seems like you aren't really good at discussing anything, let alone music. Still waiting for any link to /daily/ discussing music theory
will it come? No I just come here to viral market
Connor Kelly
you sure showed me if you want reddit, go to reddit. not even saying that as an insult.
So to you, you should only listen to the most generic vanilla pop out there or iannis xenakis, with no in between? Get over yourself, I don't care for most mucore, but it's just a different flavor of music that appeals to people as an alternative to the mainstream pop world, and there's nothing wrong with that.