Japan vs China

Japan vs China
Who will win?

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kek wins

is that even a question?

That's about 80-years-ago. It's 2016, Faggot.

the universal principle will never change
the yamato = the most powerful warrior race on earth that has never lost a 1v1 war
the chinks = its prey

either way Korea loses

well japan has american support so probably them

The chinese were always masters of warfare and always will be. Sun Tzu lives in them forever.

thats the most blatant cherry picking I've seen. The Japs are notorious for their underhanded jew tactics

b-but they rook the same

also nice 911

>America

ww2 isn't a 1v1 war

winning against a severely disadvantaged foe is nothing to boast about

>mongol empire
>russian empire
>severely disadvantaged

>cowering on a fucking island
>not severely advantaged

Oh yeah, great job with controlling the typhoons that wiped out the Mongolian invasion fleet, twice.
Also, admirable effort on the sneak attack on a Russian port and winning against a Russian military that had trekked halfway across the world.

You started these two wars, so don't whining.

Also, America was doing two-front war either.

Jews

For every gook there is about 100,000 Chinese.

Each Chinese person has around 5 kids while Japan your lucky if a woman can even find a man who WANTS to fuck.

China has America under their thumb (Americans will refuse this but you know it's true.)

Japan has a population around the size of England and England would support China in a war.

Japan has friends of ummm... North kore- wait only south Korea? Not even a full country amazing.

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it's not our fault. plus, it's russians that were cowering in a fucking fortress in russo-japanese war.

typhoons hit after their losses though.

i'm not whining, but saying a fact.

not really, as russians did the most jobs in european theatre.

>citation needed

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I hope you know that Chilchonryang defeat was result of the Joseon court imprisoning Yi and putting a jealous idiot in charge of the whole fleet and charging into a trap that Yi refused to go into. And if you geniunely beleive that controlling the seas thereby effectively killing off the invasion's logistics was nothing but "a drop in a bucket" we really have nothing to argue about.

>130-330 ships vs 13 ships

>lost more than 30 ships and half of the japanese soldiers dead

>WIN

ok

Oh, It's really ok. fuck

>boasting about obliterating a kingdom which practically had no army and its most effective resistance were Buddhist monks
>loses the war anyway
that deserves a slow condescending clap

How come they are so shit at war then?

Japan has twice the population of England m8
do the japs even got an army?

nothing more boring than these shitpedia copy paste shit thread.

>And if you geniunely beleive that controlling the seas thereby effectively killing off the invasion's logistics was nothing but "a drop in a bucket" we really have nothing to argue about.
but they didn't as the pic shows. what's the point of trying some irrelevant sneak attacks while their lands were utterly devastated by the japanese fleet?

>130-330 ships
lmao, it's just Yi's exaggeration as always. irl, japan dispatched only 20-30 ships at maximum as the vanguard, and they got some casualties from both accidents and the battle.

>loses the war anyway
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they just pulled out to prepare for an imminent civil war due to the mastermind's death and before that they wiped out korea&china combined army anyway, making the ming dynasty say they stood no chance.

I have no idea what you're talking about. The Japanese fleet that Yi fought at Myeongnyang was amassed for the specific purpose of crushing the last remnants of the Korean fleet. The other incursions are mere side shows after the Japanese navy clearly failed their mission

>The other incursions are mere side shows after the Japanese navy clearly failed their mission
it's the other way around, the objective of the campaign was mopping up jeolla region and destroying chungcheong region as well, and chasing the remnant of fleet was just part of that.

>they just pulled out to prepare for an imminent civil war due to the mastermind's death and before that they wiped out korea&china combined army anyway
By the end of their first imjin campaign they were pushed south with only Busan as their stronghold. By the end of second campaign they only held handful of coastal forts in southern Korea. See a pattern there? They withdrew because they were clearly fighting an unwinnable war

i love japan
long live imperial japan

reminder that countries without imperial history are inferior

>age of atom
>still thinking who will won war
Whoever have most nuke won by taking the whole world down with them.

ah. So eliminating the admiral who single handedly cut off Japanese logistics in the 1592 campaign is only a secondary objective... fucking genious.

T.ching chang chong

>By the end of their first imjin campaign they were pushed south with only Busan as their stronghold.
not true, the first invasion ended after the battle of byeokjegwan (near seoul) in which japan utterly btfo the ming reinforcements. at that point, japan already destroyed all korean forces (some of japanese forces even advanced to manchuria and fought manchus as well, lol), and yet they decided to cease fire because of food shortage.

>By the end of second campaign they only held handful of coastal forts in southern Korea.
it's the point of the second invasion in the first place. hideyoshi's plan was to re-establish those coastal forts as supply depots, destroying their forces as well, in the second invasion and then the third invasion was the actual full-scale invasion of ming. he died during the second invasion though.

This is the most angry, pathetic response I've ever seen a Japanese person make.

This was a classic problem with Japanese tactics. They would careen through the country they were invading while the enemy army hid in the shadows and waited, and then their food supplies would be cut off and they'd give up.

STFU ROACHWEEABOO

My earlier post was a bit short but anyway.
The only ones who ever complain about underhand tactics in war are butthurt nationalists, diaspora or anything like that.
"Jew tactics" is a way to avoid having to say "better tactics"

I'm glad your government is using jew tactics to bring more muslims and blacks into your country.

Wow, literally everything you wrote is wrong. How is that even possible?

>ah. So eliminating the admiral who single handedly cut off Japanese logistics in the 1592 campaign is only a secondary objective... fucking genious.

they already destroyed the bulk of korean fleet and what do you expect? also, even in the first campaign the effects of his raids were actually irrelevant unlike romanticized modern hype. japanese army had a hard time with logistics in inland korea because the roads were pretty shit, not because of maritime transport.

During war, farmlands and food storages are destroyed by the retreating force lest the oppossing side will make use of it and you can only steal so much from the civilians. Unless the soldiers themselves were farmers their only source is going to be from the Japanese mainland over sea.

Also, I am going to need source on how Yi's efforts were irrelevant.

>Japan vs China Who will win?

Korea of course

one thing to keep in mind is that their records are full of score padding by Yi himself and english wikipedia reproduces them without much verification. for example, in the battle of hansen island you cited, the japanese force was led by a daimyo, wakizaka yasuharu, whose men were about 1,500 maximum (this is quite accurate due to his stipend; it's almost impossible for a daimyo of 30,000 goku --unit of rice his fief yields a year, which was used to measure power of a daimyo and his wartime mobilization quota-- to support more troops), and so the number of his ships should be 25-30 maximum because a typical warship could accommodate 50-60 troops along with gunners and rowers, and yet Yi's report says japanese ships were 70+ and he destroyed 66, and english wiki says he lost as many as 9,000 men.... how do you lose something more than you have? these bullshit are seen everywhere in Yi's record and diary, which is often used as the sources in english wikipedia. in reality the maritime supply route was secure in most time despite all efforts of Yi.

Would you say the Japanese ever had any realistic chance of securing all their war-time goals?

Then fucking correct the article and cite valid sources. If you can't do that or your changes are reverted by people with better evidence than you then just deal with it.

The Japanese were insatiable warmongers. They wanted to rule the world. There's really no explanation for the dumb shit they did in China, for example. It's hard to imagine anyone not realizing that it was hopeless.

Yes it's really unfortunate how overnight America hypocritically turned them into our good "allies" and peaceful "friend" of democracy. The Chinese really should have been to take revenge, or at the very least we nuke them some more. I mean what's the point of having 8,000 nukes if you're not gonna use some of them, right?

wew Takeshi calm down

The Chinese understood that although Japan got off lightly, they would be our permanent colony.

dunno, though ming china says they stood no chance against japan

>Five posts by the same flag
>Five posts all aiming at Japan
>Five posts all praising China
>Five posts in a short frame of time
>Five posts with a rather similar grammar
Hm?

Yes, not everybody falls for the muh anime and muh weeaboo shit. Anybody can learn history and see the fucked up things in the past, buddy.

Wouldn't say the Japanese did worse things against non-Japanese than other people through history, aside form maybe the Chinese who preferred doing it with each other.

According to the source I have at hand right now, in which the author cites the Wakizaka ki, Wakizaka left with a fleet of 82 ships, which included 36 large and 24 medium ships. This was a fleet amassed that he was to jointly command with admiral Kato Yoshiaki and admiral Kuki Yoshitaka. Wakizaka left alone with the fleet to destroy Yi before the other two could fully recall their fleets.

As for the number of dead, perhaps this?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Battle_of_Hansan_Island

It might as well be.
You had your distractions in Manchuria, and Burma. But the US has distractions in Europe and Africa.

At the end, you still fucked pretty badly.

I realize you guys only have one computer over there in Sweden, so I won't dump on you. But it's possible for more than one person to post from the same nation of over 300 000 000.

are you real right now? have you opened a single book on this subject?

I don't know much about military, but how can nations even still fight nowadays? Everyone has nukes, so you can't declare war. Even if you "promise" not to use nukes, eventually one side will lose, get bitter, and use nukes anyway.
ISIS is an exception because ISIS isn't a nation and thus can't be nuked

Let's hope not, or we're on the brink of another world war.

Nope. Having your father fuck up the crops and your family starve to death is bad, but when your neighbor comes and rapes and beheads everyone, it's far worse. Unless you're trolling.
The japs were worse than Hitler and the Nazis. Look up Unit 731 and the human cannibalism they practiced (chichi jima, kokada trail) and Nanking.

>Instead of being tried for war crimes, the researchers involved in Unit 731 were secretly given immunity by the U.S. in exchange for the data they gathered through human experimentation.[10]
>Others that Soviet forces managed to arrest first were tried at the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials in 1949.

The autistic thing is that the data was worthless. They literally just replaced someone's blood with salt water to see how long it would take them to die and shit like that.

How did Russia get away with stealing parts of both Georgia and Ukraine?

I'm actually a Japanese-American who just happens to hate the fascist fucks that continously ruin Japan. Invading China was our worst mistake. Even worse than attacking the US.

Nigger kill yourself.

Not even the fucking Nazis did Unit 731 and tested biological warfare on villages.

The Eternal Anglo strikes again =]

Best Korea

>being the bodybag of the war

Ahhh yes splendid