What happened to (relatively) popular or mainstream bands being against the establishment and industry...

What happened to (relatively) popular or mainstream bands being against the establishment and industry? Why is everyone such a fucking bootlicker now

These dudes had several hits

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nytimes.com/books/first/f/frank-dissent.html
carm.org/islamic-muslim-statistics-on-violence-rape-terror-sharia-isis-welfare
google.co.uk/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjf6sWmguXOAhXqDcAKHSVDDMEQFggcMAU&usg=AFQjCNEZWb0zU98e_NUQBc-T8WHCbkxhXA
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2016
npr.org/2016/08/26/491452721/the-history-of-the-alt-right
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Malaysia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Brunei
twitter.com/AnonBabble

The terrible things that happen today are either confusing or too obscure to get anyone fired up about it.

Too busy being SADBOYS on the internet

>Congress being shit
>Increasing xenophobia and racial politics
>Donald Trump
What the fuck is so confusing or obscure about that? Millennials are complacent as fuck, that's all there is to it.

Mainstream rap does that now

I vaguely remember that dude from the Smiths saying he couldn't find a distributor for his new album because it's too political, because the music industry used to serve the artist but now the artist serves the music industry.

I didn't mean just politics.

Millennials (us) seem to be content with letting corporations control everything we consume. Poptimists should be shamed but they aren't. I'm convinced the industry plants these threads.

We're driven by profit man

Or rather, you are an idiot to believe that any popular/mainstream bands weren't bootlickers to begin with

because being anti-establishment today means you're a borderline nazi due to how far left the establishment has become

I don't see what's bad about being a "nazi".

Nationalism is sorely needed right now.

This is true. I think it's because nowadays we can just vent on the internet and then let it go.

we are all sick of being poor faggots who fight against the corrupt system has already won
i need my money senpai. I rather be a sellout than spend my life fighting the man

Do you know what leftism is you retarded faggot

A corporation cannot be left wing

So Disney pretend to be liberal (centre left) and support gay pride or something while running sweatshops with human rights violations all over Asia.

All capitalist inventions are right wing. And you're pathetic if you think supporting a racist and sexist like trump is somehow going against the grain.

>Alt-right fuckhead wants to tell me that someone else is being a nazi
Sure okay you fucking scroat licker

Idk I live in Spain and there are a lot of facists in charge of big company's but it doesn't make our music any better.

You still think swastikas look cool
The real nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go

don't blame pop.

>As a noisy, self-consciously experimental band with an established following, Sonic Youth were already indie stars by the end of the eighties. Signing to DGC, a subsidiary of major label Geffen Records, in 1990—and successfully dodging the “sellout” tag—made them legends.

>Twenty years later, not only has Sonic Youth’s bid for commercial success flopped—after eight fair-to-middling albums they’ve since left the label—they’ve actually managed to do something far worse: betray an entire generation of indie music.

>In the eighties, rock bands chose to work with independent rather than major labels for two reasons: they distrusted the majors’ shady business practices, or their music was too weird to be commercial. For the most part, nobody in the indie world worried very much about Sonic Youth compromising their artistic integrity, since DGC seemed willing to let them make the squalling feedback-addled records they wanted to make—as straight-ahead as Goo and Dirty were, they showed little evidence of a label-mandated clean-up.

>But what Sonic Youth’s DGC deal did do was make it acceptable for indie bands to work with big companies that were notorious for cheating artists out of their royalties and master recordings.

>The theory was that Sonic Youth and Co. were infiltrating the mainstream from the inside. Meanwhile, Sonic Youth’s presence on DGC helped convince Nirvana to sign to the label, delivering a huge payday for everyone until Kurt Cobain killed himself. Among his reasons? Distress over the pressures and contradictions of fame, which, on an indie, he might have avoided—or at least grown into more gradually.

>Welcome to the post–Sonic Youth era: where getting in bed with corporate America is no longer frowned upon but practically mandatory; where bands jockey to place songs in TV commercials or pay lip service to true experimentalists like the late Sun Ra while churning out the same old garage-pop.

damn

>thinking those things are the terrible things happening today
This is exactly the problem
These are literally the things that the establishment is telling you is bad

>thinking the establishment enemy of your establishment enemy is your friend
someone with extremely low intelligence, who will doom themselves to a lifetime of being cucked and/or killed.

But Goo and Washing Machine and Thousand Leaves were great

Also
>Distress over the pressures and contradictions of fame, which, on an indie, he might have avoided—or at least grown into more gradually.
lol

The establishment is racist, sexist, capitalist, and for the status quo.

The Democrat and Republican Parties are both establishment.

You're a bootlicker who drank the alt right kool aid. Once le based BTFO of le sjw cucks XD comes into power and further removes your rights you'll see.

Nationalism is a tool of the bourgeoisie to keep you enslaved.

>>Welcome to the post–Sonic Youth era: where getting in bed with corporate America is no longer frowned upon but practically mandatory; where bands jockey to place songs in TV commercials or pay lip service to true experimentalists like the late Sun Ra while churning out the same old garage-pop.
But Sun was on A&M records

and whats your solution
you can't defeat the establishment
you can't sit here on Sup Forums and whine but nothing is ever gonna change
they won we lost. get over it

So what you're saying is, there is no possible way to not be fucked over
Yeah ok you big pussy grow a pair and realize that basically the entire mainstream media is in cahoots with the dnc to paint trump as a monster while ignoring the evil corrupt things that Clinton is being caught in the middle of
>alt-right Kool aid
So not being a communist means I'm some stormfront faggot ok

fucking LOL @ the idea that the establishment is even a little bit near leftist. come talk to me when people are citing gramsci and lucakcs in congress.

sure, certain "socially liberal" issues are gaining more mainstream acceptance but capital still rules everything

>this thread

what you pieces of rockist shit fail to realize is that in a world where punk, rock and hip hop have been leached of any anti-establishment force (i.e. even those few who persist in challenging the establishment are taken seriously by precisely nobody because punk fans are all turning into nazis nowadays and punk bands only have like three fans anyway) it is pop acts (which btw punk was part of anyway, back when it was relevant and revolutionary) who are the only challengers of the establishment, or at least potential challengers. they are certainly challenging it more than punks, who are today's reactionaries- seeking to keep the establishment as it used to be.

The DNC / Hillary's Coalition and Trump answer to the same name. It's amazing you think the fed gives a shit about you in anyway. It's just a way of further keeping up an illusion.

And yes, there is no solution other than blatant revolution, but even that would be infiltrated by the powers that be.

I'm an anarchist not a communist btw

>I'm an anarchist not a communist btw
of course you are :)
posting on Sup Forums is helping so much thank you friend

The establishment is so bad. What can i do to improve the situation? Write a song about it.

I'm really not suprised if no one never took those punk bands seriously.

*ever

dumb frogposter

>I'm talking to an anarchist
Lmao
Trump has always been on the outside looking in when it comes to the elite. Why do you think they're fucking scrambling to make him seem worse that Hitler? Because they don't want him as president because they and fucking control him
>globalist Marxist puppet vs. Populist wildcard
One will send American barreling toward a European-tier refugee crisis and collapse the economy, one will (potentially) bring jobs back and most likely do some Teddy-tier trust busting
Who would you rather have?

>they and fucking control him
*can't control him

this is why communism will win

capital sucked the revolutionary potential of rock/punk/hip-hop music. The industry manipulated, fetishized anti-capitalist feelings and thoughts, in order to not damage the status quo

fuck off fascist

>left
>estabilishment

Marx would be disappointed

commodifying all the pain.

It's a ruse. Anyone that rich and successful is apart of the circle. His suits are made in fucking China.

He's what you call "false opposition".

>Trump has always been on the outside looking in when it comes to the elite
Isn't he a billionaire?

gb2/x/

yeah nobody seems to understand that the left is not the established. it just doesnt work that way. if the establishment is seemingly left it's to trick the population into believing they have freedom.

enjoy your dead punk bands ahahhaha

this is a really important discussion, how is it fedora?

yes

y'all need to read this
nytimes.com/books/first/f/frank-dissent.html

Oh yeah, remember all those #1 hits the Dead Kennedys had

Because nowadays, with the Internet, if you're against the industry you just don't participate in it.

It's weird, OP. I dreamt of Jello Biafra just last night.

the bourgeoisie tricks the working class with unoffensive identity politics (I'm not a fedora, sexist "brocialist"), showing that people of colour, or women, in charge of a imperialist, capitalist state, it's progressive and beautiful. we have now finished oppression. let's forget about all the coups the government of the USA helped to endure in the past, and still tries to undermine the only few anti-imperialist nations in the world, especially in Latin America, manipulating the local media, and the local media manipulates the proletarians in order to support abusive, alienating neo-liberal policies, in order to mantain capital for the rich

both the left and right today have this false idea that nazism and fascism is an anti-establishment movement. no bitch, the reason both the actual left and actual right at points when they weren't cucked (WWII) joined forces legitimately on this ONE thing of opposing fascism, is because fascism co-opted both left and right (I mean real left and right- not mainstream corporate parties). it's a trojan horse that takes bits of left and right ideologies, presents itself as revolutionary while really enabling the continuance of traditional oligarchies and monarchies (vestiges from feudalism which preceded the modern right and modern left- i.e. the democratic era). fascism would be better called "industrial neo-feudalism." marx regarded capitalism as the #2 enemy after feudalism. in order for communism to exist, feudalism first needed to be destroyed and replaced by capitalism, thus creating modernity. capitalism would then be overthrown by communism. in the USSR, nothing worked right because it was a feudalist society in most respects, and trying to go directly from feudalism to communism was a failure.

what fascism really is, is regressing modern societies to feudal ones. capitalism is the ONLY force capable of directly destroying feudalism, therefore capitalism can be a temporary ally of even the farthest left, in this one struggle of destroying feudalism. marx sided with the union- not the confederacy- and regarded the defeat of southern white feudalism by northern big business as a win for the future revolution that would unite all workers against those same $$$ who gained from the union victory.

whether fascist or not himself, trump's movement is a fascist one seeking to regress to the feudal era (pre civil war). this is counter revolutionary, and pro establishment, seeking to return to the 18th century establishment oligarchy, when even most white people (or any people) LEGALLY had no rights, which were reserved in law for the rich ones like your preferred king.

How many of you are even old enough to vote?

>nigger knocking for the master race, but still you wear the happy face

What did he mean by this?

>Trump
>racist and sexist
Why does anyone still pretend this is a thing. Sure he's shit, but not for those reasons

>in the USSR, nothing worked right because it was a feudalist society in most respects, and trying to go directly from feudalism to communism was a failure.

Revisionism and capitalist pressure destroyed the USSR.

>trumps movement is a fascist one seeking to regress to the feudal era
How exactly?
Quote me some trump policies or quotes or anything that proves or even implies anything close to that

are you fucking retarded?

No, i just don't redefine words for my own convenience

Underrated

How many fucking mainstream releases have we had now that were released unexpectedly so the suits wouldn't have had complete control over them?

because I don't want politics in my music

>hey isnt it weird how most of the foreign policy advisors that pushed for the Iraq War are distancing themselves from Trump and in many cases supporting Clinton?
>"dude hes racist"

really funny too because a lot of the people who grew up watching the daily show mock neo-cons are now supporting the same candidate that they are

that's why you're alienated

Aside from the 90s, America has literally never been better. Get over it cucks.

You do know that the previous generation will affect the future generation, so blame gen X.

...

>if you don't like trump you're a hillshill
funny cuck meme I love going on reddit and saying funny redpilled memes like ARE YOU KIDDING ME

Muslim databases and camps
Kicking out all children of illegal Hispanics, even if they've been granted amnesty 100 years ago
Libel laws that make it illegal to criticize the president
Martial law in black neighborhoods
Removal of all corporate taxes replaced with flat income taxes
Repeal of sexual harassment laws

Fuck Muslims, Islam is shit and promotes rape of women and children.

The problem is that there is this illusion that there are no more rights to fight for. At least in developed countries.

On paper, Civil Rights are a reality now. Women, homosexuals and different races have the same rights but the social differences are deeply ingrained in society still.

The next big issue will probably be ecology seeing how global warming is going to fuck us up.

There's much room for improvement but people are very comfortable right now and those who aren't don't have a voice.

Have you ever heard of the 30 years war faggot? Rape galore.

Thats how American elections work, unfortunately.

If you're extremely passionate about getting the libertarian and green party more funding/recognition in the next election then I think its okay to support them. Otherwise its a binary choice.

>libel laws that make it illegal to criticize the president

Thats fucking ridiculous

Lets put aside the fact that he wouldnt be able to do that because its blatantly unconstitutional

When has he actually said that? And dont just say "well one time he talked about libel laws"

Also his tax plan does cut corporate taxes but it absolutely does not "remove" them

Where are you getting this shit, huffington post? Mother Jones?

So youre saying muslims behave like theyre in the 1600s

Not a great defense

How many years ago did that happen? Oh, that's right nearly 500 years ago. I'm talking about right now, current century, currently year, most of the rapes in Sweden were committed by muslims who are only 2% of the population, muslims want to destroy the western values that we take for granted.

carm.org/islamic-muslim-statistics-on-violence-rape-terror-sharia-isis-welfare

google.co.uk/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjf6sWmguXOAhXqDcAKHSVDDMEQFggcMAU&usg=AFQjCNEZWb0zU98e_NUQBc-T8WHCbkxhXA

the most dangerous political statement is not having one at all
"Leave me alone to play WoW and listen to my power metal records thank you" triggers people just as much as being a lefty faggot or just being a faggot because that is the current definition of what is unanimously agreed to be the model of the type of person you are supposed to hate.
you're supposed to take all sorts of pride in your race, gender sexuality and everything else and think you're the sexiest person on the planet and also admire other sexy people
you're supposed to compete and compete and compete again for useless bullshit.
being a self hating, alone and apathetic is the most dangerous stance

>mumbling about lean and whores
>anti-establishment
kek

Why are you telling the cucks to get over it? It's the alt-righters who want to "Make America Great Again"

dangerous to Whom

Tell me about the rape and violence in Malaysia and Brunei and Indonesia
Oh wait
Not every Muslim nation is the same
I'm certainly not getting it from your alt-right neo-Nazi echo chamber

You can be as big of a hypocrite as you want so long as you worship Trump you're never wrong with these....Idk calling them people gives them too much credit

both sides carry this delusion that we have to compete all the time with one another
by saying "fuck off and leave me to my misery" you are giving them one less ally

Leftists think there's a yuuuuuuuge fascism problem too, and they piss their pants over guns and triggerwords on a regular basis

>I'm certainly not getting it from your alt-right neo-Nazi echo chamber

Nice buzzwords

you didnt even try to prove your points

Show me where Trump is "removing the corporate tax"

as far as I'm concerned until politics make you sick to your stomach you're normie trash and need to get out (RE^2,000,000)

So crimes don't happen in those countries?

>Tell me about the rape and violence in Malaysia and Brunei and Indonesia

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2016

pick any month, i guarantee that most of them will be committed by muslims

Well, that brown lipstick is just too good.

Reminder that the alt-right is so threatening and powerful that NPR has written an article warning their cucked suburban liberal audience about them
npr.org/2016/08/26/491452721/the-history-of-the-alt-right

>most terrorist attacks are by Muslims therefore most Muslims are terrorists
Nice logic buddy

>Have trump worshiping parents
>they ask me who I plan to vote for
>say I don't really care
>they get so triggered they threaten to kick me out because "muh troops died for this"
>register as dem and vote Bernie in primary just to fuck with them
>they said "if that's who you feel will do the best job then I can't argue too much with you, I raised you to think for urself yadda yadda yadda"
this is factual everything else is edgy bullshit ITT

Not to a significant extent
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Malaysia
>a literal stand-off, nothing more
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Brunei
>Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.

Thats not what i said

My point is that something about Islam breeds more violent extremism thanother modern religions

Brunei is under sharia law

>this is a bad thing

This

It is,

>this is what neets actually believe

The state loves people like you. You're the ideal citizen. Stay in your room, don't make any noise, don't ask questions.

Trumpfags hate Hillary infinitely more than they hate Bernie. If you had voted for her, that's when the belt would have come off.

Depends

In my experience older Trump voters hate them roughly equally, while younger ones sympathize with Bernie more for his stance on trade and anti-establishment mentality