Can someone please explain to me the appeal of Pearl Jam?
With Nirvana the appeal is obvious whether you like em or not, and Alison Chains/ Soundgarden put out some great stuff too, but I just don't get why anyone likes or even cares about PJ at all.
I'm thinking maybe it's just a Seinfeld thing where it probably seemed cool if you were an American in the early 90s but it just doesn't hold up to our more refined tastes today?
Whats not to like about "Ten" I bought in when it was first released and it was good "Grunge"
JEREMY AGUAGHEA WYAHEWA
Pearl Jam is for girls.
>Seinfeld
>doesn't hold up
Pearl Jam is pretty bad. Vedder's voice is fuckin garbage
>Alison Chains
I can never decide if Vedder or Cobain was more cancerous to mainstream rock music
Cobain made it acceptable to literally just play 4 power chords, but Vedder had THAT voice, and since it was impossible to imitate Cobain's vocals with even the tiny amount of sincerity required for radio rock, most bands used the Vedder vox
Vedder was a million times worse.
At least Cobain was a respectable underground musician.
>Cobain made it acceptable to literally just play 4 power chords
The horror, it's not like rock music is a genre based on simplistic 4 chord structures
Get out prog babby
Oh please, there are plenty of things you can do in a pop song structure that are more creative and interesting than bands like Nickelback, Foo Fighters, Bush, Three Days Grace etc could ever offer. You don't have to want a 10 minute prog wankfest to acknowledge that post-grunge is lifeless hack garbage
More refined taste op you are delusional
Yeah dude Kurt Cobain invented the simplistic pop song, he is the reason shitty mainstream rock exists.
Would you rather have Nickelback or Nickelback with bloated overlong guitar solos?
Are you bashing Seinfeld?
Learn some fucking history son, of course Cobain didn't "invent" simplistic
pop songs but Nirvana certainly popularised a lot of tropes in rock music that were not prevelant beforehand, and one of these was not really being able to play your instrument. This is fine if done in the hands of a talented songwriter such as Cobain, but it wears thin after you've heard the 100th no-mark dropouts who can't write a decent hook for shit trying to play copycat
It's really not that good
Vedder has a great voice but it stops there.
Even Flow is a great song but it's the only good thing they ever did.
>Even Flow is a great song but it's the only good thing they ever did
I almost agree, but I kinda like Alive too. Or maybe it's just that alive is after even flow on the album and I forgot to skip it too many times..
itt: people who only listened to Ten and act like experts on pearl jam
I've listened to their first 3 albums, decided they weren't for me. Dull same music with laughable vocals. How many albums are you supposed to listen to before writing an artist off anyway? Are you telling me they changed their sound significantly since then? I mean, it's a grunge band so I can write off their entire post-1999 discography by default
What dont you like about it....
better than nirvana according to scaruffi
hot opinion coming through
Vs. > Binaural = Riot Act > Pearl Jam > Ten > No Code > Vitalogy >> Yield >> Backspacer >> Lightning Bolt
I never liked Ten the most...
Black is the best "grunge song" maybe
I always liked Vs. the most myself.
Crazy Mary tho
3rd best grunge band besides alice in chains and soundgarden
get some taste fuckboy
this is b8 right? i mean pearl jam wore off on me after a little while, but the rest of this post is just meant to trigger.
>3rd best grunge band besides alice in chains and soundgarden
1/2 is true
>get some taste fuckboy
it's fuccboi you pederast
Right. It's no different than the horrible 80s hairspray bands who made the same generic garbage power ballads and squeal guitar rocker. All just a carefully synthesized concoction of AC/DC, Kiss, and Aerosmith. Or trying to play guitar like Eddie Van Halen while only understanding a few of his most obvious tricks.
this isn't /fa/ fuckboy
they have online multiplayer support, unlike most bands of their time
they have another song like black?
The way you can tell a good grunge band is if they're not really grunge at all. Nirvana was a punk band. AIC was a metal band.
PJ is nothing without the grunge tag. Some of the most boring rock music ever committed to tape.
Nah, PJ is solid hard rock/post-punk band.
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Pearl Jam is hated by people because of Eddie's voice, but if you don't realize that they're stellar performers and great musicians, you have no place talking about music.
This is a great live performance that overshadows most shit posted on this board in skill and musical prowess.
The solo is lacking sadly.
Seinfeild still holds up and so pearl jam
Nirvana were easily the least commercial of the major grunge acts and the most purely punk. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, AIC, and Smashing Pumpkins all had a big stadium metal sound with heavy riffs and lots of solos. Cobain didn't do that. He didn't do big guitars and didn't play stadiums.
Alt rock
Because was a shitty guitarist...
>Pearl Jam is boring
You know how I know you're not an experienced musician?
It's embarrassing how bad at guitar Kurt was. A big reason why I grew out of them.
I note also Christgau only really liked Nirvana out of the major grunge acts precisely because they didn't have that stadium metal sound.
The remastered version of Ten sounds different from the original mix and they're easy to tell apart. One thing I notice is that the pitch of Eddie's vocals seems higher in the original.
I mean yeah, the guitars on Ten...goddamn, those are so perfect.
alison chains kek
>How many albums are you supposed to listen to before writing an artist off anyway?
That's a fair point, and it depends on the artist, but with Pearl Jam you stopped right before their best album.
>tfw pearl jam fan for years and this trash talk triggers you
I kinda agree, Yellow Ledbetter is one of my all time favorite songs tho
If you don't like it, then you don't like it and that's the end of it.
Not bad, I would say Yield is pretty underrated tho
Any band who inspires a decade of shitty horrible music deserves their footnote in history. PeeJay practically invtented and perversely normalized yarling, and was also unwittingly the Dr. Frankenstein to the Monster that is Buttrock.
Overall it's quite an achievement.
I take it you're also blaming Led Zeppelin for 80s hairspray rock?
not to the same extent but somewhat, yes. black sabbath had a hand in it too, and others.
jar of flies is literally the only good thing to come out of grunge
prove me wrong you can't
I didn't know 'yarling' was the name for that.
Thank you so so much.
You forgot Sap, Plush, Superfuzz Bigmuff, Louder Than Love, Dry as a Bone, Frogstomp, and Above.
yw user this is why I'm here. also, you may refer to eddie vedder as "the yarlin' darlin"
>Frogstomp
Fucking silverchair, really?
They belong in that exact awful copycat tier that was mentioned earlier. Literally a bunch of aussie teen faggots who saw SLTS on MTV and decided to cash in
I didn't say they weren't a generally shitty band but Frogstomp is still a good album. I'm not trying to maintain some weird musical/ideological purity. It's a shitty name for a bunch of disparate bands. Nobody who lived through that period (myself included) called it grunge except for old people, newspapers, and record execs.
nigga
Define what you considered old. It was called "grunge" on MTV and every music magazine I read during the period.
Soundgarden = Alice in Chains > Stone Temple Pilots > Nirvana >> Pearl Jam
Danish grunge is best grunge
fyi le grunge is not a genre peeps are literally the worst
its fucking obvious what the term refers to, it's a perfectly legitimate genre, kys if you think otherwise
'Don't trust anyone over 30' wasn't just the hippies.
As soon as it was The Next Big Thing, it got commodified. Folks wore jeans, boots, and flannel because it's cold, blue collar, and poor in the PNW/Rust Belt. It immediately be amended a fashion statement like everything else.
There are a lot of interviews from back then with folks saying they hate the term.
Sorry for rambling.
It puts Melvins, Mudhoney, Meat Puppets, and Silverchair under the same umbrella.
anyone who does not like Seinfeld is a square
Literally no one refers to melvins or meat puppets as grunge
Those bands were similar in some regards. Grunge did have a pretty distinctive sound whether you choose to believe it or not.
Objectively correct.
People who aren't dumb, at least. Rolling Stones, MTV, etc do.
That's true, but like someone else said, the best grunge bands weren't grunge bands at all.
There are a lot of interviews with just about every artist about how their music isn't the genre that it obviously fucking is. Musicians are prissy little bitches who don't like labels. You get the same with shoegazers, prog rockers, you name it. Most nu metal bands insist they aren't nu metal. It's just a way of distancing themselves from stigma, it doesn't mean anything. You don't get to decide what your music is or means, once you release it that's for everyone else to decide.
No Code should be higher, but honestly haven't listened to most of their recent stuff. I assume it's pretty bad.
Their ballads are as good as Nirvana's
(but not as good Alice N Chains)
Probably the weakest of the Seattle grunge bands, but still had some classic moments.
What about that grunge supergroup tho?
Vocals/Guitar: Chris Cornell
Lead Guitar/Backing Vocals: Jerry Cantrell
Bass: Jeff Ament
Drums: Dave Grohl
Backing Vocals: Scott Wieland
I still stand by this post. Pearl Jam is toe jam for the ears.
all depends on if they'd get in a van together and crash against a truck
Kurt was not a bad guitarist. He was not a technical guitarist, and one that did not show off and would often play drunk/high, which would make him appear worse.
Mad Season and Temple of the Dog aside, grunge itself pretty much was a supergroup. Band members broke off and joined/formed new bands on a regular basis.
Pretty much this. Soundgarden are an excellent band outside the grunge pigeon-hole.
wow such edge, perhaps you should write a song about it
Wrong board friendo
name a better comedy series
This is a good thing, surely. Aside from all the heroin and death, it seems like there was more of a genuine sense of community between a lot of those bands. They didn't seem to compete against each other like big names in other genres did/do (hip hop, metal, stadium rock) and they weren't seeking celebrity or to be the biggest fish in the pond (at least initially).
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It's the same fucking thing
Have you ever seen it?
10/10 grunge
do you guys feel cool that you 'hate' kurt cobain
This thread is 2negative, post yr fav song from each of the big 4 :)
Nirvana - Aneurysm
AIC - Down in a Hole
Soundgarden - 4th of July
Pearl Jam - Even Flow
Nirvana - Lake of Fire or Spank Thru
AIC - Nutshell
Soundgarden - Jesus Christ Pose
PJ - not really a fan, but Elderly Woman I guess.
Agreed, the only song I like by them is Yellow Ledbetter and that's basically just a rip off of Jimi Hendrix' style
le 1 out of 10 shit opinion man
>Not understanding that minimalism is a songwriting style
A song doesn't need 50 chords to be good
>Drums: Dave Grohl
If it isn't Matt Cameron it's a joke.
Nirvana - Lithium
AIC - Shame in You
Soundgarden - Black Hole Sun
Pearl Jam - Better Man
You Know You're Right
I Stay Away
Outshined
Jeremy
This is tentative and shuffles frequently but right now:
>Soundgarden
Holy Water
>Alice In Chains
I Can't Remember
>Pearl Jam
Thin Air
>Nirvana
Milk It
Go away Woody no one cares about your opinion