Why is the white working class in the West abandoning the left and turning to populist right? Can't they see that they're voting against their own interest?
And before you accuse me of being an out-of-touch elitist, I'd like to say that I'm from a working class background too.
cause we are in a time where the right-wing in protestant/anglo countries is more socialistic than the left wing
Working class people on average have low IQs my man
The left wants to import shitskins to do their jobs at a tenth of the wage now
That would be the case if the left didn't want to import a billion 3rd worlders to drive down the wages.
they've found out who the real devil is: globalization and immigration abuse
welfare was always a ruse and a way to get them hooked on squalor and voting left
ppl on the left are learning that a degree in art history or sociology or women's studies only gets you a job at starbucks. and if you want to go protest because your government won't let men wearing dresses use another bathroom, starbucks will give your shift to someone else.
Because "muh pc culture is annoying".
It isn't really a good reason but we're driven by media sob stories and bullshit on a plate.
Why is the white upper class in the West abandoning the right and turning to populist left? Can't they see that they're voting against their own interest?
>lett the factory that employs me outsource to Bumfuckia
>spend a good chunk of my tax dollars to fund islamic goatfuckers in Syria and Iraq
>let in droves of shitskins that devalue the price of my labor
>be a smug elitist cunt that laughs in my face and tells me white people can't be poor and only niggers deserve compassion
And it's somehow in my self interest to vote for people who do THAT?
they don't
Says the finnish "alt-right" Sup Forums user.
Are they? Look at Trump. He used some anti-establishment rhetoric during a campaign, but now he's going for full deregulation in every field and picking Wall Street insiders for his team.
They decided to support white nationalism because of their ethnicity only. Class consciousness is being replaced by identity politics.
>Can't they see that they're voting against their own interest?
It's the fucking opposite. People always vote for their best interest, an it's the working class best interest to not lose jobs to cheap immigrants and outsourcing.
>Class consciousness is being replaced by identity politics.
And who started that game my friend? The elites who decided importing the entire third world, against the will of the people, was a brilliant idea.
>we hate indentity politics
>except for class politics, class is TOTALLY not an identity!
Marxists are so fucking stupid it hurts.
Because the working class is tired of shit like pic related. The working class is tired of opening up Facebook to news story's on white privilege, and boosting immigration, when that is not what the majority of the country wants. The working class is tired of entitled, urban yuppies shifting the voter demographics further and further left. Finally the working class is tired of being labelled as racist, or xenophobic, by aforementioned urban millenials, when suggesting anything that might differ from their left leaning views. It seems like politics can be modelled as a pendulum, and for a long time the left has been pushing the pendulum towards the liberal progressive side of society, and now, as a knee jerk reaction, it is time for the pendulum to swing back towards the right, which is seen in many right wing parties gaining substantial support.
Upper middle class people in America at least are turning against the right because it's clear that the right doesn't give a fuck about them but wants to subsidize the .01% by any and all means necessary. It's bullshit that my father is a lawyer and pays more in taxes than he would in literal fuck socialist Italy but we still have to pay for healthcare + education all on our own.
You can't devote your politics to full-tilt anti-establishment all of the time.
It's literally impossible, because the establishment is permeated into every element of Washington.
So you ask "Why is he picking Establishment for his team?", I respond "There is only establishment to pick from."
To further anti-establishment policies means that you have to push anti-establishment bills. Ones that impose term limits, and prevent lobbyists from entering Congress, and Congressmen from becoming lobbyists. There is nothing else that you can do.
Dismantling unions, privatisation of public utilities, complete deregulation of financial sector, resistance to minimum wage and progressive taxation is in your interest?
Better than being literally enthnically replaced
Because this generation is paying the price of decades of left wing policies.
Old people retired early and young people pay for it.
Old people let in foreigners and now they are here annoying everyone and leeching off everyone.
Old people whined about green enery for decades but who's going to invest in it? This generation.
Old people didnt think military was very important, until we are on the verge of war like now and it turns out were weak as fuck.
Old people didnt mind enlarging the EU but now were paying the bills for it.
Old people could study for free forever, but we cant because its too expensive.
Old people had free health care but it turns out its not affordable anymore.
Old people subsidised their own housing, but young people cant buy any houses anymore.
The bills of the former generation have been stacking up for decades. And now migrants are acting like entitled assholes on our expenses thats the last straw. And people wont stand for it anymore.
>alt-right
yeah nah mate
You're a fucking white male!
>complete deregulation of financial sector
That was Bill Clinton. Not even mentioning how Obama bailed out the corrupt banks. Where does this meme that the left is somehow anti big business come from? It's not the 1930s anymore and they're all on corporate payroll.
The left has become insufferable smug cunts, not much more to it tb h. I want socialized healthcare, worker's rights and a good free education for everyone. I don't want the insufferable screeching the left brings nowadays.
>Can't they see that they're voting against their own interest?
t. teenage intellectual
My grandfather was a communist that fought the fascists in mountains during WWII.
My father is in a trade union and always votes for left-wing parties.
It's not just me.
And its actually the left wing that enforces the inequality.
>populist
I love this meme buzzword
It's pathetic that the leader of the Republican party is an economic protectionist.
I fear for this world to be honest.
I guess that explains why you have a lower GDP than Portugal.
It's true though, there's nothing that will bring their lost jobs back besides mass corporate welfare.
It's just not feasible, you won't find any economist worth their salt that doesn't agree free trade isn't a positive thing in the long term.
Left abandoned working class and went for identity politics.
Next it will be nazis if left wont change.
>it's not just me, my family is full of gommies!
>I am right because my dad taught me so!
lmao
And you think this is an argument supporting your views as objective and correct? It's precisely the opposite.
>isn't a positive thing
*is a positive thing
You know that the Dutch parliament has a political party called 50+. And in the polls they do quite well.
And guess what their agenda is? More money to babyboomers. Their entire program is focussed on making baby boomers richer. Thats the left wing of today.
Artists, students and academics tend to lean left. That's nothing new.
>Can't they see that they're voting against their own interest?
No, because voting for the left means to support the social security system and states taxes. Those states taxes will be used to welcome people like refugees, even against your will.
Thus you have to vote to get your private rights back, to be able to control what is supposed to happen with your money, if you can't trust your government anymore. If you vote for a libertarian party, it doesn't mean anything bad. It just means that you have the right to take care of the things you need for youself.
>free trade is a good thing
>this is somehow a left-wing statement
I'm not sure if I understood your post
Save us, space people.
Because conservatime is the refuge of those in fear and the lower classes in the "developed" world have grown very much afraid.
Entire generations have become oblivious to some painfully obvius facts of life and they have, each and every one of them, come to feel entitled to a lot on life that even in relatively wealthy societies can belong only to a chosen few. People who in their mid 20's became used to travel and high roller lifestyles are finding themselves middle aged and with resumes that can hardly suport their aspirations and even as they pontificate on the virtues of self reliance blame everyone but themselves.
Those who cannot bear the oftentimes brutal consequences of their own choices then turn to social institutions even of only half heartedly paying lip service to them, religion, family and the yearning for strong leaders that will take away the burden of liberty. Guys who spent their youth trying to bang as many women as posible, or fantasizing that they would, then blame sexual freedom and feminism for finding themselves alone, they blame minorities for never having been able to find easy high paying jobs and men who never lived lifes of dignity blame progress for not receiving the respect they believe they are owed.
The white working class in the West is miserly petty craven entitled little fucks who have grown angry and nihilistic.
And you're a rightist like every Pole, so what? You can't live without your beloved church deciding everything.
Kek, fucking commies man, they never learn
>killing identity and being considered no better then an indian, worse even
>their own interest
Left wing is the status quo. And the status quo sucks.
>they blame minorities for never having been able to find easy high paying jobs and men who never lived lifes of dignity blame progress for not receiving the respect they believe they are owed.
All the major companies in my city literally say on their site that they prefer women and and minorities for jobs. I've worked a bit on the employment side, they literally discriminate against white men here in their hiring practices.
>My grandfather was a communist that fought the fascists in mountains during WWII.
Tvoj stary otec bol zradca a s velkou pravdepodobnostou aj cigan.
>Le muh church conspiracy meme
For how long you people are gonna repeat this? it's not 18th century anymore, you are so predictable..
Artists, students and academics dont see bigger picture then.
Here nobody wants to hire minorities because they behave like assholes. So if they come here they will remain unemployed. So getting new migrants here is silly.
Because immigration is terrible for the working class. The liberals in America have made no functional healthcare system, though I think they deserve more credit than they get, largely because of conservative prevention. People that make their own money and already have private insurance have seen their payments go up. Not to mention all of that, but the left has adopted a rhetoric that the problems of the whites are not to be listened to because white people 'know no poverty or hardship.' That doesn't sound like the best interest of working class white people with poverty and hardship.
Because they're fucking dumb that's why they're working class
Also the boot is on the other foot now; working class whites are in the same situation blacks were in during the 1950s
>Can't they see that they're voting against their own interest?
yes because getting replaced by immigrants is in their interest
honestly if the left stopped trying to force multiculturalism and actually represented the working man they would get a lot more votes tbqhwy
Môj starý otec zostal verný svojej vlasti - Československu. Bojoval proti koloborantským sviniam a okupantom.
Ľudácky zradca Tiso právom po vojne odvisol.
But immigration effectively forced you to better yourself so you can outcompete them, if they came from a shithole and are now as well off as or better than you then it's your fault for squandering your chances
Je skoda, ze sme vsetky cechoslovakisticke spiny nepovesali este pocas monarchie. Boli sme na vas kolaborantov prilis dobri.
because we want gfs and the left wing says we can't have gfs
hello out of touch elitist
Jesus Christ was crowned a King of Poland three days ago. They live in the Middle Ages.
your a dorable
>le smart people vote left :^)
>ur dum if u dont vote left ;^)
simply bebin
There's plenty of artists and scientists who aren't left wing.
kek, keep projecting faggot
>he actually thinks majority of Poles care about what Church says
If that was true we'd be full of rapefugees already. And as to me personally, my parents had to run from friendly propagators of communism like the ones in picrel many times because my dad wasn't a big fan of getting his teeth kicked in. So excuse me for being sceptical about your failed ideology, I am truly sorry about that.
Anyway, we're not talking about me or my country, it's you who started this dumb thread.
>But immigration effectively forced you to better yourself so you can outcompete them
by replace i mean towns like black town actually turning into black town from immigration
not your meme of "hurr git better or git replaced"
I honestly believe there will be racial violence and terroristic attacks from natives and Muslims here if more migrants come here. There are death threats to well known foreigners and politicians here every day.
To use the old Orwell quote,
>There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them. One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool
Neither side is really working in their interest, just the right is something different to what has been happening and change has a novelty on its own.
Complaining about poor countries stealing your jobs is pretty stupid. Plenty of other better jobs remaining and what makes developed countries unskilled labour any better then some poorer nations that it warrants a huge jump in wages and benefits.
not to mention industrializing will take YEARS.
>working class whites are in the same situation blacks were in during the 1950s
Your blacks or American's because I don't know about the former but for the latter hell no.
Poland has different history. I can't blame you for developing in a different way than us.
I'm not a commie and my grandfather didn't like Warsaw Pact invasion in 1968 for example. He was pretty liberal for a party member.
But no people of African descent are in Black Town with any worthy to be noted numbers though at all
The populist right are the only mainstream political movement that actually represents working class citizens. The populist left does too but at least in America the liberal elite chose to not let it fly.
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