Thoughts?

Thoughts?

nothing in any medium but music has genuinely touched me

Why would I care about what some Sup Forums nerd thinks

Music has an obsessive quality to it that all other mediums lack

literature is for old people

What music has touched you?

Michael Jackson

Show me on the doll where it touched you.

>film on par with literature

Yikes.

Literature is the art of intellect, but music is the art of feeling.

Music registers in the brain instantly, rapidly, and repeatedly. It's like having infinite crack. Film and literature are satisfying but take more patience, discipline and processing.

Mass in B Minor fucking plebs

This nigga understands

this

you ignorant fuck

none of that patience discipline shit makes it any better kek

also

>implying there is no music that requires those things

better than music? didn't say that

Intellectual merit is not the most important thing in art

Literature > Film > Music

Film and Music is rarely art

on da pebis :DDDD
long season

Art is a meme so whatever

why is that

I would say film registers immediately in some regards, and requires processing in others, although much less so than literature

Comparing music to film and literature is dumb.
Also, literature>>>>film

If you think anyone who browses Sup Forums has the slightest idea about art, you're fucking retarded.

Doubly so if you think you have an idea about it.

That includes you

Considering music can literally be literature with a sonic aesthetic quality to it music probaly is more powerful.

it's true. I think Schopenhauer had some pretty good ideas about it though.

He's right. Ever notice how Sup Forums is just a bunch of people anonymously jacking themselves off? It's because nobody truly gives a fuck about your taste in music and music carries significantly less intellectual merit than other artistic mediums

>hasn't listened to trout mask replica

you're just a boring faggot, sorry

Every art board is the same fucking thing dude.

It's the other way around really. I've never heard of movies that require repeated viewings while it's common for music to be listened to more than once

you're delusional. I can't speak for the others, but /ic/ and /p/ are nowhere near as bad. not even fucking close.

Sup Forums is so cancerous and up their own asses it's not even funny anymore. part of the reason is all the delusion and pretension, actually

There are plenty of films that warrant a second viewing. Any kind of art film should be watched more than once if you want a thorough understanding or analysis

>Music has an obsessive quality to it that all other mediums lack
So I guess you've never heard of television, video games, books, or even movies?

there are definitely films that require multiple viewings to fully understand lol

That's because /ic/ is populated with people that can actually draw/paint. Take a look at /lit/. They're just as up their own asses as Sup Forums

is death grips the finnegans wake of music?

I don't agree with what this guy is saying, but I'd personally put something like this:

Music really is just based on one sense, your hearing. Film on the other hand appeals to two, your hearing and your vision.
But literature is damn near something entirely else. It's reading, and comprehension, and your imagination all fusing together to really get into your emotions.

Literature probably is the highest form of art, but absolutely wonderful and captivating creations can happen in any form whether it be music, film, painting, dance, etc etc

>Literature is the highest form of art
I dunno about that

You will scoff at the idea, but Video Games can be just as much an intellectual art as literature, if not more.

Something like Dwarf Fortress where it's required not only to understand the ruleset that is given to you, as well as your ability to strategize and your imagination, but you also choose your own adventure and leave your mark on a basically functional world that will ripple and have effects as time passes.

>That's because /ic/ is populated with people that can actually draw/paint.
yeah exactly. that board has a purpose

Sup Forums was cool when people could actually have a discussion about music, unlike now where it's just a big circlejerk of aspies who only post with hopes of getting their shitty, unimportant opinions validated. just as bad as Sup Forums but at least Sup Forums is entertaining sometimes
I can't speak for /lit/, but I'm sure it's the same as this shit board

Honestly I just come here to find new music and get charts. I don't really stick around for discussion

ALL OF THESE ARTFORMS ARE GOOD FORMS OF ART

PEOPLE JUST MAKE SHITTY ART AND IT SUCKS

we can all go home now

Yeah dwarf fortress is truly the Finnegans Wake of the vidya gaming world. A masterpiece of intellect.

theres no such thing as shitty art except low effort uninspired art.

Video Games are for children though period. It will never break that, thus. it can never achieve anything of an art form.

>Dwarf Fortress
It's actually my favorite game of all time,so I agree with what you're saying. That game is amazing. I always feel strange with saying that video games are art though. Are pen and paper RPG's art? Or tabletop strategy games? possibly, and same goes for video games but they've been mass marketed in such a way that I see games as products more so than art.
Probably the best way to explain Dwarf Fortress

This. Be inspired, make art. Don't make a product or selling point

finnegan's wake is a joke. that dumb shit meme goat simulator game is closer to finnegan's wake.

dwarf fortress is more akin to ulysses

it's obvious bait, and even if it wasn't anyone who actually thought that would not be worth the time of day

Definitely, games can be more easily sold as products instead of actual "pieces" of art mainly due to the wow factor if it all.

>/ic/ and /p/ are nowhere near as bad
hahahahahaha holy fucking shit. you can't be serious.

/ic/ is just a bunch of fags drawing anime porn and jerking off to "le good old days of loomis before da libruls invented degenerate modern art, girrr why cant everything be like my japanese cartoons instead of pollock shit on canvas??!1!11"

and /p/ is just a joke. one big, literal joke.

Sup Forums is probably one of the only art boards with any sort of merit, even if 99% of it is shit.
I seriously think you should consider killing yourself.

you're wrong

Mate I was being sarcastic when I compared it to Finnegans Wake. You can't really say video games weigh up to literature in terms of artistic significance when they've only been around for about 40 years, whereas literature has been in existence hundreds if not thousands. Not to mention the fact that creating art has never been the primary objective of video game developers.

I don't care what anybody else thinks, I think video games are art. Even games you might not think too highly of actually function extremely well as art pieces (Splinter Cell: Conviction, Far Cry 2) and even some games make great unintentional concept art pieces (Space Station 13)

Watch that projection, friend!

Video games are only shit if you see it as an industry.

There are some developers who actually care.

Videogames are art friend. Anyone that tells you any creative work isn't art is a moron. It's just that "art" isn't actually a signifier of any kind of quality, and as soon as you elevate the majority of videogames to the platform of art you are inviting criticism at a much higher level than they usually receive (as pieces of entertaining media) and most simply do not have the depth to cut it on that level.

theoretically, there's nothing stopping interactive computer worlds, "video games" minus the "game", from being art

the medium is relatively new. nobody has really explored all the possibilities yet.

saying it can't ever be an artform is like saying, after 20 years of written language being around, "Oh this new "alphabet" stuff will never be an artform. its only used to keep records and communicate ideas." and soon thereafter poetry came about.

>Not to mention the fact that creating art has never been the primary objective of video game developers
Both developers and artists start out from a very similar mindset, though.

That isn't to say all video games are art, and certainly most are very bad art. Shit that forces the "VIDEO GAMES ARE ART THO" narrative like "That Dragon Cancer" are fucking garbage and suffer from their own delusions.

t. an amateur producer, author, visual artist and game developer

Fair enough
Can you tell me some movies like this? I'm still a bit new to films

nice buzzword, you memeing subhuman

buzzword is a buzzword you buzzword

this pleb has never sat down and really listened to anything.

That being said, what about Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Mendelssohn, Poulenc, and so many others that have made 'the arrangement of sounds according to time' something absolutely beautiful and intricate? I mean, if 'intellectual merit' is what you're looking for, classical/art music is where you can most easily find it.

Non-linear films like Mulholland Drive or Mirror by Tarkovsky

the greatest of film can't even touch the greatest of literature, you sub-120 IQ brainlet

I don't think it's THE Finnegans Wake of video games, its just that it's fucking madness and impossible to crack.
Analogies and metaphors man

I 100% agree with this. At the same time, it makes some games that may not be well recieved critically when viewed simply as video games, completely turn on their head when viewed as art pieces.

Far Cry 2 remains one of the most stoic, mature commentaries on African Civil Wars, the soldiers of fortune who fight in these wars, and the frontline politics of both of these things in such a deep way that I have never seen in a single other piece of art. To view it simply as an FPS is an absolute travesty because it is quite possibly a masterpiece and every other game in the sequel should be absolutely 100% ashamed that they share the same name because they don't even come CLOSE to it.

>I'm a thinkin' man
>here is my opinion about massive areas of art: insert banal generalisation
>source: I'm a thinkin' man

thanks friend, input noted

>binding all creative works together with the ultimate buzzmemephrase

The subhuman is you

I don't get why people consider Mulholland Drive so challenging i p much got it on my first viewing

Why are filmfags so hopelessly pretentious?

>music has intellectual merit!!!
>but if you're looking for intellectual merit, music isn't the place for that
what the fuck are you on

post your school ID, if you've even graduated or gone to college.

i'd bet my life on you not having gone to an ivy league

>"getting" surrealism

que

Ok well done. Surely you can understand why most people would have no idea what duck the overall plot is on their first viewing?

FINNEGAN'S WAKE WAS LITERALLY A JOKE BOOK

IT WAS MADE TO TROLL THE FUCK OUT OF THE LITERARY COMMUNITY

ULYSSES IS JIMMY JAY'S MASTERPIECE

He just said classical/art music is the place to find it. What are you on about?

I'll go with Ulysses too since anyone claiming to understand finnegans wake is a filthy god damn liar

>Mount Eerie Fan
no you didn't

>not using american english
>i'd bet my life on you not having gone to an ivy league

more big deductions from the thinkin' man

why is Sup Forums so retarded today I can't handle yall right now

what a brainlet post

Read his post again

>implying europeans don't come to ivy league schools all the fucking time
euros fucking love american schools for some stupid reason.

you are smart and witty

This

i didn't give you permission to respond to my post or tell me what I already know, you fucking vermin

sue me loser you probably have a pin dick and smell like a festering cheese and bean burrito

wrong on so many level i don't even know where to begin.

music if anything takes the most intellectual capacity to really apprehend, simply because of how elusive and indirect it is. 99%+ of people will only see music as various noises arranged to time.

Two brilliant minds, duking it out on the intellectual battlefield

I didn't give you permission to reply to me, either.

Listen, it was entertaining, first. Hell, it was actually funny.

But now I'm getting the feeling that you actually think that you're on my level. From the day I was born, I was destined for success, you little shit. I was brought into this world by a software engineer and and a prominent actuary, both of Norwegian descent. From the moment that the fucking curtains were raised, I was set to dominate the STEM fields. And because I had guardians that actually cared about me, I flourished. Pretty soon, I was placed into a special school of correspondence, specifically I.M Gelfand's school for gifted children in New England. I not only reached my parents' expectations, but I passed them with flying colors. I had raw talent. I was fucking better. I was surrounded by 6th graders, many from Hong Kong, whom were smarter than half the posters in this fucking thread. And now, where am I?

In MIT, getting my double BS in Electrical Engineering and Physics, with a Stanford-Binet tested IQ of 147 at age 17.

Get this through your head: you are nothing. I am worth more than your entire goddamn family. I'm smarter than you, better looking than you, taller than you, wealthier than you, and more employable than you. While you type out another post to get cheap laughs, I'll be simultaneously working with the brightest minds in the world and fornicating with my beautiful girlfriend. It gets on my nerves when people pretend to be better than me.

Know your place, you fucking vermin. Never, ever reply to my posts, again.

I think OP's pic was bait but even if there are people who think that way, I would argue that a song like 'Heroes' is legitimately transcendent and just as noble and lasting an achievement as any masterwork in film or literature.

In fact, I would argue that when something like that works in music, it's an even greater feat because it didn't take two hours or 500 pages to get there. Everything you need to know about the world of 'Heroes' and its occupants and their hopes and dreams is contained within those six minutes and the construction and immediacy of the music puts you right there with them. It's flawless really.

As a member of the Sup Forums police force, I'll agree that music is particularly difficult to apprehend. Slippery little bastards, they are

nice meme

kek

>just various noises mixed and arranged according to time

Which can invoke different ideas and emotions like other artforms do... what a retard.

Each medium is unique and does something different, and when you add on top of that the various styles and goals within each medium it starts to become really fluid. I really don't see the purpose of pitting each form of art against another. Unless you want to say that a certain art is completely useless compared to another, but what kind of troglodyte does that?

I think a bunch of losers on this site just want to claim that their investment in their favorite medium of art is more valid than others.

saved to my copypasta file

Alright then post some Video Games that deserve the label art. Go ahead.

>noises
>mixed
>arranged
>time
Check out this music pleb that can't into music theory