Why do they deny their arab heritage?

Why do they deny their arab heritage?

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They had no real accomplishments.

They don't. It's in any Spanish history book. They teach it in great depth in elementary, middle, and high schools.

We do?

They don't have Arab heritage though. They were occupied by Arabs and Moors. But to say Spain has Arab heritage is too much. Nothing is left of it. I don't have "Roman" heritage even though Romans occupied my part of the Netherlands.

You can see a lot of it in architecture though

Umayyad bro?

Christianity
Reconquista
Inqusition

The inquisition had a control of blood that depending on the purity of your blood the society is going to treat you in one way or other

and unfortunately want to be european when we aren't.

I'm ok with the arab heritage, they were superior to the europeans in the middle age and our ancestors defeat them with their own hands when we they started to be superior, something that the templars never did.

some of us are mixed with moors, but who cares?

Turks BTFO whole Arabia and they couldnt get past Budapest

Whoa, a is this a 2013 meme?

Also
The most occupied and mixed part of spain was the south, in Andalusia (Al-Andalus), all the big cities were there. The rest of Spain was full of people of different heritage and religions because of historical reasons and the muslims permited the christians live in his lands, that type christans we call them mozarabes (many monks of the reconquista hate them for being cucks). The thing is that they had to pay more taxes and for that reason many decidied to change religion, all for money.

we wuz white muslim

This is true. I personally celebrate some parts of it.

Also it's not the only cultural heritage we have. If you wonder why we sticked with roman-based language and institutions, see

We don't. Al-Andalus scientists were computing elliptical planetary orbits and performing state of the art surgery while you barbarians were killing cats to get rid of the plague. Muslim Spain had twice the life expectancy of snowcoon Europe.

> white people
Not even once

Discusiones serias™

Do you deny yours?

If poor Isabelle could see what Spaniards have done to her beautiful country

She'd be rolling in her grave

Come home berber man.

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i'm not berber though, predominately spanish.

There were barely any Arabs amongst the Moors for one, and the extent of Moorish influence in Spain tends to be grossly exaggerated, the higher estimates for North African admixture are of around 10%, and this is also largely Phoeniician/Carthaginian who enjoyed a far longer pressence in the peninsula and were not viscerally opposed like Muslims conquerors.

The seven centuries pressence of Moors is also overstated in the sense that through most of that time they did not fully ocupy most of the peninsula, in fact the waning period of the taifa kingdoms lasted three centuries during which the Moors were effectively beaten back into Granada.

Spain did fully reverse any process of Islamization throiugh the inquisition.

kill yourself stupid faggot,dirty mexican

Spaniards are berbers

mate don´t lie we have moor heritage...i am proud witht hat.

spaniards are not berbers, mixed race with berber residents in spain exist though as do mixed race anything in any state in the world.

I don't, fuck off.

No, we are berbers of the Iberian branch, The North Africans invaders massively raped our women and deleted all traces of European genetics here.

Pic related, Iberian native that survived the colonization.

wtf are you on about, there was no extermination, just some mixed people moving about in spain that are easily identified by their moorish look and non Aryan.

i'm not talking about defending, i'm talking about conquering in the middle age, when the arabs were powerful

a curious thing about this time is that apparently spaniards had more jewish-sephardic blood than would be arab or north african, the jews were in all the country and they called this country Sefarad (Land of the Sephardic people).
Because of their religion they could be in the cristhian and muslims zones, be good merchants and start to be rich and therefor relevant. Queen Isabella hate them with all her pasion...
Many famous people of Al-Andalus were jew as example we have Maimónides

>there was no extermination
That's what the kikes want you to believe.
Oy vey they're white ppl just like you don't be afraid and reproduce with them.

Jews were conquered by Arabs, and Romans, guess they are Arabs now, you can't Jew me you lower rank Jew.

When they all got conquered by Turks?

>heritage
What did they left us that we didn't destroy?

in 1,000ad Arabs were completely conquered by Turks as were Persians and the entire "ummah".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula#North_African_influence

What I wrote is fact based.

Because Arabs formed the elite in the early Islamic period so they stopped fighting and starting importing slaves from Turkestan to do the dirty work for them, which ended up with the soldier-slaves becoming powerful, assassinating Caliphs and eventually taking over. They are called Mamluks.

Back in those days, once a civilisation became sedentary they lost their ability to fight. It happened dozens of times throughout history. Leave your harsh desert or your steppe, and you start becoming as weak as the people you conquered in the first place.

Of course this process stopped when technology starting becoming more important, around the 15th century I'd say.

We don't. Good things the Arabs left us:
>Irrigation techniques (that the Germanics destroyed from the Romans)
>Heat-handling architecture in the south
>Sour Oranges (which we made sweet) and other fruits
>Mathematics
>Sailing techniques

You have to keep in mind this was way before the Ottoman empire, and before the Arabs were complete roaches. They barely even raped, just settled in a couple of cities and demanded taxes. There is almost no moorish architecture above the Algarve for us.

Their only sin was not liking pork, which we fucking love.

>B-b-but you look like moors
We already did before they came here, and most of the actual Moorish blood came from converted moors and widows from our way down the peninsula killing everyone.

Regardless, Portugal's (and by copysequence Spain's) achievements and contribution to the world came after that miscenation, so it's sort of a moot point.

Sure as fuck did more than the Germans, whose only contribution to the world was giving Austrians manpower to do shit.

Basically if you had 1 moor ancestor and 50 iberian ancestors you're still a moor

Jews are Arabs, Turks, and Slavs not Jews.

you have lad

stop this meme, turks didn't conquer arabs, they embraced them as brothers of the faith. Turk arab wars started when the pan-arabism movement started and arabs wanted to be independent of the rotting Ottoman empire. Up until then many arabs were proud to be part of the empire, even today arabs love to say that the Ottoman empire is part of their heritage

You've clearly never been to the southern part of Spain.

>Update
I don't.

Feel free to be Moor, and please do go to Morocco please.

>All of Arabs bitches to Turks
>W-we wanted to be part of Ottoman Empire

kek lmfao

Seljuks were conquerors my friend, it was illegal to declare war on Muslims but ottomans did it as well ruling the muslim world with an iron turkish fist.

yes all mexishit have moor heritage and you too

Fuck off.

they started bitching after the pan-arabic movement, before that they were proud to be part of the Ottomans empire you dumb fuck. Even most turks hate the ottoman empire after the 1700s because it was ruled by the janissaries. The Sultan was literally the janissaries bitch. When he didn't obey he got strangled.
>it was illegal to declare war on other muslims

where did you get that from?

The moors and jews either converted and got fucked afterwards by the inquisition or fled to grananda and to north africa.
Portugal got influenced by suebis,visigoths,celts,romans,etc.
Jews made about 10% of the population of iberia and they held high positions of power and influence and were very rich.
This angered christian locals who wanted a reason to consficate their goods.
When moors invaded iberia,jews were more respected than they were ever before.
This meant that during the reconquista jews fled with moors to southern parts of iberia to flee christian persecution.

Only 10% of the iberian population has any moorish heritage at all.And even if they have it just means that their had at least 1 ancestor per 50 actual native iberians which is irrelevant

This is what I don't get in colonies calling us "moors" like somehow they are whiter.

We're the white half of their gene pools by definition.

its laughable tha ppl think that a few thousand moors did fucked up millions of iberians, the joox ruled us and did some islamization

>it was illegal to declare war on Muslims

Are you joking, lol? The First Fitna was literally between Muhammad's wife Aisha and Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law (gotta love consanguinity) Ali. Muslims have been fighting from the day Muhammad died until today.

>few thousand
Islamic spain was the most populated region in medieval western europe

Almohada
Ojalá
Alfombra
Azahar
Aceite
Albañil
Arroz
Jinete
Hola
Hasta
Dinero

etc

If we are thinking about the moors that conquered spain they weren't the same moors of nowadays we would think. Remember the Carthaginians that lived in north africa, remeber the romans that conquer them and remember the german tribes (vandals) that ocupied their land. I don't know how were the real look of the people of north africa in that time but they had european blood. When we talk about black people as moors its mostly related in the last parts of the reconquista with the hordes of the Almohad empire from Mauritania and Morrocco, how ever there are not many drawings of black people in Al Andalus even less not being slave or soldiers.

Pic of the Kings of Granada, this shit was in la Alhambra

yeah, well

The Umayyad empire wasn't the same as the turks found in Arabia. The Abassid made a revolution and started the Abbasid Caliphate. The last Umayyad prince. fled to Al-Andalus and tried to start again a new empire or shit. In that moment Al-Andalus started to have conflicts not only with its christians neighbours but with the new caliphate too.
So yeah, we had the last umayyad caliphs, sons of those who made the great arab empire

actually, moors were left in the peninsula aryans moved to new world, because the crown didn't want to expand moorish race.

Crazy isn't it yeah

youtube.com/watch?v=Z3QHXIYhVGA

>take some words from people who have contact with shit tons of civilization while iberians were pretty much stuck in place
>you have arab heritage
fuck off Spain is Spanish those who are not fit to be Spanish are removed.

>loanwords

We (as in the Dutch) probably have more Latin loanwords than Spaniards have Arabic loanwords.

Ojalá my brother

Turks conquered anatolia, all of the muslim world, the entire arab race, the greeks, the iranians and NEVER being conquered, their race exists today in the strongest state in middle eastern history and the only world power, Turkey.

youtube.com/watch?v=b6eFaghBgCs

Turks completely conquered the Romans, your precious arabs, and the north africans.

Well, since French was basically the Lingua Franca of Europe for a while, you should have a butt ton.

stop mate, for example i look like moor i am really proud ...


what is the problem with that?

>I say that shit anymore
I've purged that word from my vocabulary.

>NEVER being conquered

All of the Turkic homeland was conquered by Russians, lad. Might want to look into that, Temur.

>Remember the Carthaginians that lived in north africa, remeber the romans that conquer them and remember the german tribes (vandals) that ocupied their land

The berber tribes that conquered Iberia were never under roman, germanic nor carthagian rule, when Iberia was under carthagian, roman and germanic wizigoth rule.

There isn't a single war that kutama (Ukutamanorum) lost against Rome or Germanics, and this during 400 years.

Same for masmuda, zenets etc. Moutains gave too much davantage to natives.

who's that guy

>what is the problem with that?

I am not saying you shouldn't be proud of your Moor heritage, I'm saying that you have no Moor heritage. There's a difference.

You can be proud of the Reconquista or the Spanish empires but the Moors who conquered Spain were all either killed or expelled.

youtube.com/watch?v=Z3QHXIYhVGA

>Turks conquered anatolia
ok
>all of the muslim world
not al but ok
>the entire arab race, the greeks, the iranians and NEVER being conquered
nice
>their race exists today in the strongest state in middle eastern history and the only world power, Turkey.
cool

>Turks completely conquered the Romans
wot

>your precious arabs

>precious
>arabs

>and the north africans.
not all but ok

me

no I mean really

youtube.com/watch?v=jT4PeKTlX6s
Stay conquered my bitch.

1,000ad-1,921
Arabs Turkish slave.

mate we are berbers, you should read about this.

You are mixed race with berber, not berber.

Moors started to be shit after their civil war in the periods the taifas kingdoms

You didn't respond to my claim. All of the Turkic homelands were conquered by either Russia or China.

>Arabs Turkish slave

Muslims cannot enslave other Muslims, so this is also false. Turkish slaves were people from their Christian lands. And just like Arabs who brought Turkic slaves to fight for them and ended up being dominated, the Ottomans ended up being dominated by the Janissaries (Christian slaves turned Muslims) but the Auspicious Incident ended that.
You aren't.
Umayyad period was cool. After that it quickly went to shit in my opinion.

Moors were shit since 730ad when Spaniards created their own state after the visigoths were kil and the state was in shambles.

Whether Pelagius or Favila were ever considered kings in their own lifetime is debatable, but Alfonso certainly was. He began a lifelong war against the Moors. In 740, he conquered Galicia and in 754, León. He went as far as La Rioja. However, the few urban populations of these frontier regions fled to his northern dominions, leaving a depopulated buffer between the Christian and Muslim states.

This created the so-called Desert of the Duero, an empty region between the River Duero and the Asturian Mountains. Alfonso intended it this way; he wished to leave such a zone where any invading army would find it too difficult to survive. Besides the martial, the demographic and cultural effects of this policy on later Asturian, Spanish and Portuguese history is large. It was over a hundred years before the region was repopulated (an event known as the Repoblación).

The Arab writers speak of the kings of the northwest of Iberia as the Beni-Alfons (descendants of Alfonso), and appear to recognize them as a Galician royal stock derived from Alfonso I. Alfonso is credited with establishing the shrine of Our Lady of Covadonga, in commemoration of his father in law's victory at the Battle of Covadonga. He and his queen are interred there. Their epitaph reads:[1]

"AQVI YAZE EL CATOLICO Y SANTO REI DON ALONSO EL PRIMERO I SV MVJER DOÑA ERMENISINDA ERMANA DE DON FAVILA A QVIEN SVCEDIO. GANO ESTE REY MVCHAS VITORIAS À LOS MOROS. FALLECIO EN CANGAS AÑO DE 757."

"Here lies the Catholic and Holy King Don Alfonso the First and his wife Doña Ermesinda, sister of Don Favila to whom he succeeded. This king won many victories against the Moors. He died in Cangas in the year 757."

So BTFO in 730ad.

Turkish people were rulers while Arabs were conquered tax provinces.

>You can be proud of the Reconquista or the Spanish empires
i don´t
ok you have never been in Spain.but moroccans are closest to Spain than France (culturally)

morocco*

>to spain
To Moriscos and other shitskins sure, just like niggers in USA are closer to Blacks in Africa than to white americans culturally.

moorniggers were literally slaves in spain, the entire south was filled with moorish slaves and northern conquerors.

This has turned into a battle of the diasporas, I'm out.

>If I make up some shit on Internet and belive in it really hard, it may be true

Heh

kys

nice history class, thank you :D

i'm going to read more about Alfonso

The Moors often served as slaves in Christian Spain. These slaves were captured from Muslim Spain and North Africa and imported into the Christian section of the Iberian peninsula. When the Moors were forcibly evicted from Spain, in 1610, Moor slaves were allowed to stay, however, they were forced to convert to Christianity. Spain's Moorish slave population was eventually freed in the early 18th century.[

Saying Spain is moor is same as saying white americans are black.

>tfw Northerner

I'm immune to your memes.

>Calling people who got converted to islam/moorish culture "moors" when they don't even have 0.01% of moorish blood "moors"
They're iberian moriscos, muladi etc. ie white muslims, by 800 ad the 12,000 moors that conquered Iberia were already dissolved into the millions of natives, so 1600 ad..

stop trashing basques btfo fritz

eastern germany is full of slavic rapebabies so why you deny your slavic heritage ?

Moors didn't live with the Christians and half the peninsula was spanish in 740ad.

>half the peninsula was spanish in 740ad.

What? Half of Iberian peninsula is spanish in 740ad?
Citation needed.
Did you ever saw a map of Iberian in 740 ad?

Even in 800 ad, 900, 1000 and 1100 it wasn't half.

basques are overrated and mythologized, stop this meme, leave those cavemen alone

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>half the peninsula was spanish in 740ad

?

>"half the peninsula was spanish in 740ad"

T. Chi "never conquered" cano

the middle was a battlefield desert.
by 740ad the Spanish state was established and working.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_I_of_Asturias

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repoblación

his created the so-called Desert of the Duero, an empty region between the River Duero and the Asturian Mountains. Alfonso intended it this way; he wished to leave such a zone where any invading army would find it too difficult to survive. Besides the martial, the demographic and cultural effects of this policy on later Asturian, Spanish and Portuguese history is large. It was over a hundred years before the region was repopulated (an event known as the Repoblación).

Whether Pelagius or Favila were ever considered kings in their own lifetime is debatable, but Alfonso certainly was. He began a lifelong war against the Moors. In 740, he conquered Galicia and in 754, León. He went as far as La Rioja.

However, the few urban populations of these frontier regions fled to his northern dominions, leaving a depopulated buffer between the Christian and Muslim states.

there is absolute 0 moor influence from castilla up.

Hello /his/