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really djt? i had to wake up in the middle of the night to make this thread. nobody else wants to make threads even though i posted a warning in the last thread i wouldnt be able to make a thread
またくん
Nicholas Young
Thank god you're back. Looking at the rest of the threads on this board is really depressing.
Bookmark this and you'll never have to look at them again.
Eli Miller
了解
Joseph Johnson
おちろ すべろ
Jackson Scott
Oh good. One nice thing about being on Sup Forums is even if the rest of the board is godawful vomitinducing shitposting, there's no reason we can't have the same high quality intellectual threads we had on Sup Forums.
Angel Hill
>high quality intellectual threads
Dominic Morris
I just realized that I've been studying Japanese for nearly 9 hours straight. Is there only so much time I can spend learning a language in a single day before I start to forget everything? What's the optimal amount of hours I should spend on this per day?
I didn't even realize I've been studying this language for so long.
Oliver Bennett
>high quality intellectual threads we had on Sup Forums Do I detect sarcasm?
Brody Perez
/あ/から追い出されたの おかしい
Carter Adams
Half an hour a day is more effective than 9 hours once a week. It takes time for the concepts to sink in, daily repetition will reinforce them.
Eli Cox
Having just read the guide, would I be correct in assuming the fundamental tools for learning Japanese (after Hiragana and Katakana) are thus: 1. A grammar guide - eg. Dictionary of Japanese Grammar/Nakama/Genki/Tae Kim/etc. 2. A spaced repetition utility - eg. Memrise/Anki, preferably with a vocabulary set like Core2K to start off 3. Reading materials from which to obtain new vocabulary - eg. simple manga (And an optional 4. Discrete Kanji study - eg. Kanjidamage, Heisig, etc. for a more robust but slower approach)
Did I miss anything important?
Dominic Edwards
Hey, this is actually a pretty good summary. The specific recommendations are Tae Kim, Anki with Core2k, Yotsuba or Hanahira, and no step 4.
Joseph Ramirez
To the people who took the JLPT - Can you write / speak Japanese?
Josiah Green
>I've been studying Japanese for nearly 9 hours straight. What does this even mean? I could tell you I've been studying Japanese since I woke up 14 hours ago, if you count lurking 2ch and watching raw cartoons. No reason you shouldn't, though. Learning a language is about exposure and accretion. I find it hard to imagine you can completely forget anything let alone everything.
Chase Adams
3 hours anime daily (min.)
Julian King
Cheers mate. I'm still trying to remember my kana at this stage, but I just wanted to make sure I don't stumble once I hit the hard part.
That said I hope stroke order isn't important, if I'm learning kanji via vocabulary.
Camden Anderson
>What does this even mean? It means I sat down on my chair, turned on the computer and studied Japanese for almost 9 hours. Granted, I did use the bathroom and eat some snacks, but other than that I've been studying kanji, vocabulary and some of the more complicated grammar topics. Maybe occasionally ask a question on /djt/ about something, but that's it.
I guess you could say I feel accomplished, but I also feel very tired and frankly a little sick.
Joshua Torres
>I hope stroke order isn't important
Daniel Reyes
12 hours of study a day with lots of sleep.
It doesn't really matter how much slips through your memory net when the net is the size of a house.
Leo Thomas
>I also feel very tired and frankly a little sick. 無理しないでね
Sebastian Wright
I found this on the other side of internet Thoughts?
Carter Barnes
So I'm not supposed to learn kanji independently, but I am somehow expected to know their stroke orders?
Jacob Lee
You didn't do any reading or listening?
Parker Lewis
There is a kanji stroke order font available. Just add that to your anki cards and you'll pick it up soon enough.
Justin Russell
Holy shit lads that listening section was hard
Matthew Brown
There is no strict recommendation not to study kanji independently, both sides of that are kind of subjective. You figure out on your own whether kanji study or rote vocab memorization goes smoother for you, then pick one. They both eventually take you to the same place.
You can't mix up kanji stroke order when writing. That's an absolute *can't* because if you do then the kanji will not look like it is supposed to. Accordingly, you need to know it to be able to read some people's handwriting. The good news here is that it's pretty intuitive. You'll get a feel for it if you look into it a little bit. Top right to bottom left is the general rule, and there are a limited number of radicals that show up in kanji so once you know most of those you should know the stroke order for the vast majority of kanji as well.
Parker Gray
>So I'm not supposed to learn kanji independently You can if you like, but you don't have to. If you do decide to do it, then I'd recommend the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course in the CoR.
Matthew Jenkins
>top right to bottom left *Top left to bottom right, sorry.
Julian Hernandez
Thanks again.
(This is exactly the kind of thing I was asking about above, when I questioned whether I had missed anything important.)
Samuel Ortiz
So I've started reading yotsuba, and I'm having a hard time recognizing these fonts. How do I get better at this stuff ?
Dylan Hall
For the ones of you who did the N4, how difficult it was? should I do it next year or should I just do the N3?
Elijah Cooper
Don't do either, study until you're ready for the N1 instead
Charles Turner
I'm sure this is what you wanted to hear "Read more"
Jayden Price
Visualise how the character is written in that font from the beginning stroke to the last my polish friend
Wyatt Torres
Alright then, I'll try
Landon Fisher
I'm basically just remembering the pronunciation with anki, hoping to learn the meaning from reading light novels. I still have the meaning on the card, I just don't care if I get it right. How shitty of an idea is this?
Aaron Moore
It's not good. Guessing meanings is okay at later stages when it's one word per page or so you don't know, but at earlier stages where you're constantly guessing meanings it won't help you at all. You'll frequently be wrong and constantly reading through a haze of only "kind of" understanding. There's really no benefit to what you're doing.
Colton Bell
Pretty horrible assuming it's a core deck. What you're doing is pretty much doing Remember the Kanji with it.
Blake Powell
ok thanks user time to get 30% retention for a few months
Kevin Jackson
Good work everyone. May you achieve good results this time.
Luis Cruz
I understand your point.
No, and the world will not lose anything if those islands go down.
Brandon Roberts
Holy shit, your sarcasm is shit.
Dylan Russell
だいじょうぶ
みんなひゃくてんだよ
Henry Moore
Are the questions in JLPT the same around the world?
Levi Lopez
...
Xavier Gutierrez
For anyone watching Japanese TV shows, do you translate each line of dialogue immediately? Or do you translate everything you didn't understand after 5 mins, 15 mins, after the entire episode?
I find it a bit futile when I'm translating almost every line of dialog. Will this get easier, or should I refocus on grammar/vocab/easier content?
Easton Jenkins
>do you translate No
Michael Brown
When your Japanese is so bad (no offense) that you have to pause every line to work on understanding, you should be focusing on reading instead of watching TV. It's just far more practical and efficient.
>learnt Mandarin as a kid, nobody gave a shit about stroke order >everyone talks about the importance of stroke order with Japanese >laugh but try to learn it anyway >mfw it actually helps Cool.
Liam Morris
Read VNs
Brody Ortiz
>learning Mandarin as a kid >Mandarin You econocuck
Matthew Hall
中国じんです。
Parker Johnson
hello djt! I'm looking for a 2k anki deck with only vocab cards. i couldn't find any on the anki shared decks page.
i have an older one from a past djt thread called core2k_6k optimized japanese vocabulary. however that one always shows kanji first. I'd prefer if the first side was audio only or furigana so I could learn to memorize the kanji instead.
Ryder Cruz
Your current deck will work, just edit the card fields in Anki so audio is on the front and then text is on the back.
Sydney or Melbourne?
Gavin Harris
よんひゃくてんまんてんだから
ひゃくてんじゃそくふごうかくになるよ
Ryan Perry
Where do you guys download manga RAWs (besides CoR)? Madokami doesn't allow them anymore.
Henry Richardson
Melbin. Why?
Wyatt Roberts
Nyaa and pray. Sometimes I ask my weeb friends if they have them.
Blake Mitchell
bakabt AB
Connor Price
Light joke about the number of Asians in those two cities. It always takes me by surprise when going there.
Luke Hughes
We haven't invaded the entire country yet? I'm surprised. What quiet space are you from?
>tfw uni has more Asian students than domestic students now
Ethan Perry
The one I was searching for (恋情デスペラード) wasn't on Nyaa and Google only gives me a few chapters. I'll try PerfectDark and see if I can find any scans there.
Nathan White
Nvm, found the first two volumes on the archive. Download links if anyone is interested:
I just looked up how to do this. However, the cards are structured in a way that one side is kanji only and the other side is furigana+translation+example sentence. I'm looking for a deck which has audio or furigana on one side and translation+kanji on the back.
Cameron Thomas
Firstly, the way you want to set up your cards is beyond retarded. Secondly, Browse -> Choose your deck -> Select a card -> Cards... - > Front Template -> {{Vocabulary-Audio}}
Seriously Hans. Read the fucking manual.
Asher Gomez
nevermind. I just realized I can edit the html fields myself. thanks for the tip!
Mason Ross
what's so retarded about setting it up this way?
Elijah Hall
>I'd prefer if the first side was audio only or furigana so I could learn to memorize the kanji instead. Well what are you trying to learn?
If you're trying to learn the kanji, the kanji should be on the front as that's what you're trying to learn the meaning of. Having the audio only on the front is so-so for listening practice if you want to do that. Having the furigana on the front of the card is for learning ???
Julian Wood
Why are you getting so worked up over how he wants to learn? Who the fuck cares
Christopher Robinson
Hmm. If you were meaning you wanted to do production (as in, write the kanji), there are other tags you can use for that.
You can have example sentences (with audio and the like on the front) with the kanji in question blanked out.
I forget the term for it, but it should be easy enough to find in the anki manual.
Gabriel Johnson
Is it required to learn Mandarin in Australia if you're an Australian-born Chinese?
Dominic Cook
I used to do it this way with my previous anki deck: >new card >kanji on top >look at the whole card >take time to learn kanji and spelling >click repeat in try to write it next time upon hearing audio/reading hiragana
I thought it worked pretty well for me until now. But maybe I'm overlooking sth so idk.
Jose Martinez
きょうもいいいちにちだったら
あしたもいいいちにちになるの
Michael Williams
>. I'd prefer if the first side was audio only or furigana so I could learn to memorize the kanji instead. This is wrong and a waste of time
Joseph Thompson
why is it a waste of time?
I've been learning this way for the last 6 months (when I started). I'm genuinely curious. Is there a faster way? I'm afraid I won't memorize the kanji if I don't learn how to write them by heart in the long run.
Christopher Garcia
Would you be doing the writing out phase every time you reviewed the card? I still think having the kanji on front and recognising that would be easier way to go. You could always look away/close your eyes to write it out.
I would say almost all ABC kids have gone to weekend school for Mandarin. Out of all of the ABCs I know, all of us went. That being said, most of us still speak shitty Mandarin or lose it completely after we stop learning.
Ryan Smith
To think I was learning Chinese all along. I already knew about the han versions of 八, 冷 and that one that looks like grass but I wasn't aware they were not japanese... Some fonts slightly change the characters like そ so I thought they were all fair game I want to sue Google
Eli Morris
Off to the JLPT I go lads. Taking the N2 this time. Good luck everyone.
Logan Lewis
When are the results for the JLPT given back?
Ian Parker
The beginning of February. You may be able to check them on line by the end of January.
