Why is English NT so bad?

Why is English NT so bad?
Why can't they play at the same level as other big European countries like France, Germany, Spain, Italy?

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English football is stucked in the 60s.You just have to see the BPL to see how they play

Would you have Roy Hodgson manage your national team?

>Half of the goalscorers and half of the assisters so far in Euro 2016 play in the Premier League
How does this fit into your PL is shit narrative?

We're gonna win the Euros mate, no ammount of terrible German banter can prevent that

English coaches don't compete on the same level as European coaches, there really has been no influential English coach in the past maybe 30-40 years on a European level

They're just going through a bad phase, we were the same in 2010.

they are underrated right now because their manager is not up to it anymore

now for the first time in a while they have some young players who are actually important at their clubs, give them some time to mature

English coaches lack the brain.
English players lack the backbone and heart.
Not a good mix.

USA is more likely to win

This desu

Would an British coach ever do this?

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1. Smaller population than most "big" footballing countries

2. Somewhat antiquated coaching/youth development setup

3. Since they can't into penalties, their knockout round opponents can essentially advance with a draw

Capello and Sven were wank though

>players and coaches are exactly the same thing
No wonder you don't realize it.

Probably not, but then an English coach would never win a World Cup

They're too brutish to play a very technical sport

Capello was decent. Should have kept him.

Is he a native German or a Turk?

So far:
>scratched his balls or dick and sniffed
>picked his arse and sniffed
>picked his nose and ate the booger

This is stuff most guys do, but not in fucking public let alone in an area where you might be broadcast to tens of millions of people.

But most of our coaches are foreign as well so how does that work? We were no different under Sven or Capello.

too many spurs players, and we all know spurs never win fuck all.

Kane pls score

On a broader level, if you had better coaches training players from a youth level you would get better players as well, I think England lacks great coaching in this aspect.

As an outsider, it looks like there is not enough competition to recruit better coaches/managing talent within your footballing pyramid/league structure. Too many dinosaurs stealing a living coaching in the lower leagues

Then how come my small country which is shit at football have won the European championship while England in all it's history have not?

2010 was awful mate.

>English goalkeeping

What are you talking about? That year was great.

I think England will permanently be stuck in a cycle of waiting for deadweight to retire so youth can flourish. Things started to feel more promising when the egotist glory-seeking Lampard and Gerrard retired, but then in came the likes Sterling and Milner who will continue to occupy positions unconditionally regardless of whether or not it works until they too retire.

Hodgson has a hard-on for ""experienced"" players whose experience is limited to failing to get out of the group stages at the world cup in Brazil. He also has less tolerance for players from clubs that aren't traditionally big. One bad game in an England shirt was enough to drop premier league winner Drinkwater from the squad.

I don't think too many England fans expect the team to be contenders. Quarter finalists should be a realistic expectation with the squad, and getting to the semi-finals a good result.

just ran some calculations. JFs btfo tbph

Still better than anything under Woy

>How does this fit into your PL is shit narrative?

Another important aspect is having players who play together in big clubs. The english league is full of foreigners, for example Arsenal-Chelsea with 3 englishmen has been seen.
Italy used to play with a milan or juve core, germany with bayern, spain with barcelona.
One of those clubs would destroy most national teams.

I agree that's probably the case but Kane and Vardy were clearly superior to Giroud or Pelle this season. Alli was better than Fabregas, Silva, probably Ozil, maybe not Payet but definitely fucking Giaccherini. Dier was the best DM apart from Kante.

So I'd say we're still underperforming if we don't win the group and make the semis.

>Roy "One Point" Hodgson

Gee I wonder.

The problem is twofold. 1 is foreign coaches being able to convince a majority of english players to forget most of what they've been taught as kids and conform to modern football, where you have to rely on wit and tactical wherewithal rather than long passes and physical superiority, to put it simply. Also, to contain that shitty "lad" mentality where all it seems "lads" want after they reach a modicum of success is go clubbing and get hammered and have no real responsibilities.

The other is english coaches having absolutely no clue at a club level. They've been coasting for years on the ability to sign the best athletes (as opposed to combining physical dominance with tactical knowledge and skills) and employing retard level tactics like long pass & rush.

Whenever you're able to field a relatively diverse PL team with a (usually) foreign coach that knows how football is played outside the isles, they eventually have success at a national level. Fixing the NT however, is a much harder task.

>The league is 3 teams

Germans are a scatological people.

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>The BPL has no good teams

>Hodgson finally discovers the wonders of a pseudo 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 after it's already been dropped by the majority of the best clubs in Europe
To quote Jethro Tull, they're Living in the Past.

>1. Smaller population than most "big" footballing countries
England has a population of 54 million. That's England, not the U.K.

France: 66 million
Germany: 81 million
Spain: 46 million
Italy: 60 million
Portugal: 10 million

Population wise England is right up there with the big countries.

Too much animosity between the clubs. They hate working together.

Also shit manager.

Meme magic.

Will England win more than just 1 point this time around?

as far as I can remember Hodgson is one of the better managers they had in the last 20 years.

Why aren't the scorers and assisters all from la liga then?

Answer: because they are all either Spanish or south American, so hardly any are playing in this tournament. So that doesn't have a huge effect on how well England are doing seen as they're unlikely to have to face more than 1 or 2 la liga players until they meet Spain.

>54 Million
20% of those are pakis that can't even shit in a toilet right.

Yeah, but half of those are shitskins who are only interested in pakipaddle and child rape.

Your league playing meme footbal is a fact.If you watch a middle of the pack mathc of the Barclays meme league, you will see the actual level of english football. English players are very poor technically, and they are trained like it was 1960, producing subpar players overall

Serious answer: Football is a working class sport in England and because of the rigid class-system, they look down upon intellectualism. So english football is basically run by people who are anti any form of new innovation because they see it as upper class snobbery. They will dismiss any form of new development as "nonsense" and questioning the current way of playing football is seen as a personal attack on them and their class.

They always said "Rugby is a sport for thugs played by gentlemen and Football is a sport for gentlemen played by thugs".

that's a big phase

>a relatively diverse PL team with a (usually) foreign coach
Arsenal are always the most diverse and have had a foreign coach for ages. They also play the closest to continental football but haven't won shit in 12 years.

This is a big part of it.

Euro < World Cup

Wegner is a loser. Buying Memezil for that much money just shows how little does he know about football

If Roy won a world cup i would be happy for him to masturbate on the bench 2bh

So all the foreign managers and foreign players are busy playing inferior football in the PL but as soon as they go to an international team they're suddenly superior players again.

Of course they're being dragged down by the English players who are actually putting in better performances than them (Kane, Vardy, Alli, Dier, Smalling)

Meanwhile your own products such as Pedro, Bojan, Otamendi, Valdes come here and can't make any impression on our vastly inferior football.

I agree your best teams are better than our best teams but something doesn't add up.

Serious question:
Can Hogdson be sacked during the Euros? Also paper talk of him being sacked if we don't make the semis this year

But memezil is playing as number 10 for the world champions?

How long has Wenger been in the UK tho? And how are you able to say the he was successful in implementing his ideas VS having to conform to the way shit was and always has been? Also, what ever made him a good coach to start with? You know he was coaching in fucking Japan before he ended up at Arsenal.
And despite this, they've on and off played some of the best (at least best looking) football in the EPL in a while. Not to mention finishing 2nd this year. (To Ranieri and just ahead of Pocchetino)

Yeah a team has done that before.

They have no passion cause they're paid so much and they are mental midgets

This is the reason.

Liverpool 1 - Sevilla 3

He's been there for ages so the team and the youth play exactly as he wants. There's no battle against Englishness there, it's basically a continental team.

They play short passing possession football and then someone takes it off them and steam rolls their defence on a regular enough basis that they never win anything.

Basically they're not strong enough but you guys are making out that pretty short passing should trump physical long passing every time as it's superior.

I heard one problem is that big english clubs were bought by foreign millionairs who dont care about training young english talents and buy top players from other countries instead
Is there any merit to it?

As someone who was on the fringes of youth football in England, I would agree with this.

The culture is backwards as fuck, and proud of it.

Is football more middle class on the continent, Eurobros?

>Is there any merit to it?
Yes, I think it's a big part of it. We've had the same problem with rugby. The moment our championship started being flooded with foreigners, the NT started plunging.

at least in germany, we dont really have a class culture like in Britain

>Meanwhile your own products such as Pedro, Bojan, Otamendi, Valdes come here and can't make any impression on our vastly inferior football.
Cesc,Silva and even Cazorla were in the discussion for the best players in the Barclays meme league, and they were literally our leftovers.The BPL is just a subpar league.

Ozil sucks.I dontknow how anyone takes him seriously

>most assists and key passes in Europe

You're dumb m8.

It is superior.English football is pathetic.Even Our lower teams could beat most of the BPL.In every continental competition you just get rolfstomped by mediocre teams, English style of football is outdated

He's not, he plays on the wing and he's shit.

How about an example?

>most assists and key passes in Europe
Totally pointless.HE runs dry after 50 minutes, and works jackshit.If he can give meme passes in counter attacks is totally pointless.Madrid started winning when they kicked him.There is a reason behind this

I only do the balls stuff

Who the fuck picks his nose and eats that shit? Löw is fucking disgusting even by German standards

This.Brits know shit about football in general

It's not that it trumps physical play and long passing every time, otherwise Portugal would've trampled Iceland yesterday. It's that it's generally a better, more reliable choice when you have the technical and TACTICAL superiority over the opposition.

And the reason I'm highlighting tactical is because being able to play decent up front has no relation with being able to make a team defend properly. Remember Mou's Chelsea? Current Low Germany, current Del Bosque Spain, current Whoeverheis Italy? Guys that make their teams play boring as shit football? It's boring because their teams don't get dispossessed easily and if they do, they're correctly placed to prevent danger on the counter. Wenger has never been able to do this or to make his player buy into it with the success these other guys have.

He also usually sports way too much youth on the pitch but that's a different problem.

All three of those players were shit this season. The only good former la liga players were Aguero and Ozil.

Pedro can't be a leftover seen as he's in your squad as well.

Only the leftovers go to your shit league.Again, the liga teams rolfstomps any BPL team.Even Sevilla destroyed Liverpool, which shows how crappy your league is.

So you're saying Wenger and his players just need to play smarter? Fair enough but most people think they're too pussy and they need a stronger DM and maybe a tougher defender.

>Is football more middle class on the continent, Eurobros?

It's more the class hatred that is the problem. Football is a working class sport everywhere.

A meme tier comparison is how blacks in the US will hate on other blacks who speak grammatically correct english for "talking white". The british working class has sort of a similar attitude, which of course partly is due to discrimination against them.

>Fair enough but most iliterate brits that believe that our failure style of football believe that they're too pussy and they need a stronger DM and maybe a tougher defender.

Liverpool only came 7th, same as Sevilla.

If these are your leftovers why are 6 of them in your national team squad, displacing superior la liga players?

So what you're saying is that people in football on the continent are more accepting of people from diverse class backgrounds?

Like you would have a team made up of kids from working class and middle class backgrounds and no one would give a shit?

>half of the players are memes
>second half from Tottenham
>awful manager
>wondering why they cant win shit

Because the BPL pay them extremely high wages for leftovers quality.Good Spanish players stay in Spain,the BPL recieves trashy players, and the Bundesliga recieves some decent players from time to time,Just face it the BPL is second tier league compared to la liga

Why don't your coaches 'make' players retire? Tell them that they will get a nice send-off and all if they go out of their own volition and not embarass them publicly. Also then do what you promissed if they don't want to retire. Straight up say that that player will never play for the NT again and that he behaved like a baby when asked to step down quietly.

I don't know why people continue to argue. La Liga evidently is the better league currently as evidenced by the European domination in both the CL and EL.

The parity of money means that the lower tier English teams probably are better than their Spanish counterparts, but given sport is about winning I'm not sure this argument has much weight.

You didn't answer the question. Why are 6 of your trashy leftovers in your national team squad instead of la liga players?

>Portugal making a long post about whats wrong with English Football

Im sorry but did >we just lose to Iceland?

It's really not surprising that we're doing so shit this year. Our starting 11 is filled with players from two of the biggest choker teams of all time, Liverpool and Tottenham. We brought 5 strikers but play a formation where only one of them players. We take our only striker and put him on corner duty instead of putting him on the receiving end of it. We play everyone out of their preferred position. We bring players who have barely had any game time this season. We leave players who are in excellent form at home.

>The parity of money means that the lower tier English teams probably are better than their Spanish counterparts, but given sport is about winning I'm not sure this argument has much weight.
I rally dont know about this.The lower tier here have lots of on loan big teams players.But we will never know

Becuase we haven't binned those shitcunts called Rooney and Lallana yet

this is true. we don't really have classes in Germany like in Britain.

But to be honest, a lot of the pro players are kids of immigrants and so on as football is often seen as the only way for them to get rich because they won't be considered for higher positions in companys.

that means our divide is not by class but more by natives and immigrants and their offspring.

>Like you would have a team made up of kids from working class and middle class backgrounds and no one would give a shit?

At least in Germany, yes. Can't speak for other countries though, as I don't know them well enough.

Because their domestic league is dominated by foreign players and English players seldom go abroad to develop their skills.

you're chatting so much shit

Partially, yes. Mou (for instance) sort of opened the eyes to the majority here in Portugal by employing smartarse tactics so obviously- telling his players to feign injury, not giving ball away if you have to pass it back to your keeper 50 times, making pointless subs in the latter minutes of play, instructing players to pick fights with the opposition, coming into the pitch, arguing with the ref- all sorts of "underhanded" shit designed to burn clock. Most of which, the brits haven't realized even now, judging by your commentators. That's "playing smart".

The other bit which I don't think you're alluding to is being able to defend with and without possession.
>Without the ball
Involves taking no risks and always having numeric superiority in the last 3rd of the pitch; being able to move the team around the pitch after the ball as a whole unit (see Italy's last game); making players aware of when to double, when to stay and when to cover for teammates; prioritizing areas of the pitch (inside box- outside in crossing position, outside in central shooting position- outside in early crossing position, outside in long shooting position) and the response of his players (in how hard to tackle/how much to gamble) depending on where the ball is, etc.
>With the ball
All you have to do is watch the 2nd half of Germany VS Ukraine- it's a much better instruction than anything I could type.

TL;DR- In modern football you have two options. You have possession or you don't. Most skilled team has possession. Possession team attacks constantly and its first priority is not losing possession. Losing possession = Losing footbal; Defending team is all or all but one behind the ball. First priority is not getting displaced. Getting displaced = Giving up spaces for the opposition. Giving up space = Giving up chances. Enough chances = Goal. Within this concept, playing long is saying "I don't care if I keep possession or not". Playing long = losing football.

ecause the quality of the selection has go down,as our good players have been retiring,like Xavi or Villa. Still the core is la liga based