To vote Trump you must:
>be unable to think critically
>think that stupidity is a virtue
>never change your views, even when they are contradicted by science or morality
>fear everything that doesn't fit a far-right worldview
Stupid, scared, and looking for a Daddy.
More like
>respect a successful businessman more than any politician
>find someone who isn't afraid to say things that aren't PC refreshing
>endorse meritocracy's and value hard work
>understand that while mexicans are good people letting their criminals and scum come here unchecked is reckless
>hate big government giving poor worthless slugs free money
good going not giving a single real reason though
lol
He makes his money by accumulating debt and saddling other people with it. He's actually worse than Romney somehow.
>tfw 'PC' is just a term racists use for 'not racist'
>meritocracy's
I'm just gonna leave that one alone
This country was founded on immigrants. Just because you can't find a job doesn't mean the brown people took them all you fuck
>tfw by 'worthless slugs' you mean 'minorities'
Read a book. Meet some people who aren't white and racist. Get a job.
>liberal cuck dependent on gov't benies
I have a job making over 6 figures purely due to my work ethic. Yes the country was founded by immigrants. I'm ok with immigrants, where did I say otherwise? The wall is to keep out criminals who get deported and come back to become repeat offenders. By worthless slugs I mean anyone and everyone who can not pull their own weight
Ya don't touch the subject of a meritocracy because you have nothing to back you up. I'm not even white you worthless drain on society.
Oh and you're a racist too.
I've never gotten a check from the government. Thanks for the personal attack, though, I can see you don't have an intelligent argument of your own
My choices are between an asshole nationalist and a corrupt corporatist. I'd have loved to see Rand Paul in the race or even Ted Cruz (at least he understands economics and isn't an asshole), but neither of those are options. Gary Johnson isn't a valid choice, as voting third party is just throwing away your vote. So yeah, I'll be voting Trump. I'm not happy about it, but he's a million times better than Shillary.
Lol Rand Paul is a veritable retard.
Not sure where you're getting that from, but regardless he's a better choice than anyone else who ran.
No reply? Didn't think so because you got fucking nothing. I'm out of here.
Number 1: he's a Libertarian. Only thing worse than a Republican.
Besides the Tea Party and Progressive Liberals
>respect a successful businessman more than any politician
Donald inherited his father's fortune and brand and hired managers to do the work while he whored around and boozed and played golf.
>find someone who isn't afraid to say things that aren't PC refreshing
Seriously, why do you people fear PC culture so much? Why is this even an issue?
>endorse meritocracy's and value hard work
Again, he did not work for his money. He is a capitalist. Capitalists do not work, they invest, with the help of armies of bankers.
>understand that while mexicans are good people letting their criminals and scum come here unchecked is reckless
Agreed, tbh.
>hate big government giving poor worthless slugs free money
You know there is A LOT more to government than welfare, right?
>Doesn't give a single actual reason
>Makes this into a racial issue somehow
>Says rich people don't earn their money
>Thinks his opponents are the stupid ones
Either you're a troll or a stereotypical fucknut with half a brain cell.
Trump may be shit, but at least he's a successful businessman rather than a career politician and will put citizens first rather than foreign criminals and those living off welfare because they can get away with it.
What exactly do you have against making America better for the working class?
No. Libertarians are scum. They want to privatize everything (that means handing it to the rich).
Tea Party here
I don't think you have a clue what libertarianism is.
Ahh yes, give the job to the less qualified people. Good idea.
>capitalists do not work
And this is the point where your argument ceased to be based in any reason whatsoever. Have fun with your idiotic 19th century class hate, I'll be living in the 21st century enjoying the wonders brought to us by Capitalism.
>Donald inherited his father's fortune and brand and hired managers to do the work while he whored around and boozed and played golf.
Not all his money was inherited, he built businesses which is hell of a lot more than most politicians have done
>Seriously, why do you people fear PC culture so much? Why is this even an issue?
Because it's fucking racist tyrannical censorship that directly attacks free speech.
>Again, he did not work for his money. He is a capitalist. Capitalists do not work, they invest, with the help of armies of bankers.
Yes because investors are the ones taking risks and coming up with ideas for industry. How well has your beloved communism worked?
I like freedom. I don't need government, I need government to leave me alone and stop getting in my way.
BTW, poorfag from blue collar family here, don't give me that "you grew up rich" bullshit. My family were mechanics.
They don't. Capitalists are not entrepreneurs. Capitalists move money around, they produce nothing. They can easily be replaced, and it would be better for society to do so.
Actually you just described every Bernie sanders supporter. Every single fucking one. Trump supporters are just rednecks and pissed off blue color workers, and they have some very valid points.
But if you support sanders you neither understand nor possess the ability to perform mathematics, and that makes you very fucking dangerous.
How well did it work out for (insert communist country here) when they did just that? You clearly don't have a clue how capitalism works.
>Seriously, why do you people fear PC culture so much? Why is this even an issue?
It has become a way to attack people and bully those who don't fall in line with a certain narrative. It is censorship of factual information and free speech. It is everything it claims to be against while pretending to be "the good guys".
I think you're forgetting a word in there, Capitalist without a modifier simply means "person who believes in free markets," which is entirely unrelated to investing. I believe you're thinking of venture capitalists and other investors, in which case you're still wrong, those are people who worked in industry to make their fortunes and now are helping to finance new endeavors so that new things can be made.
Without the capitalists you so hate, it would be impossible for "the little guy" to ever get a leg into a market, which would mean stagnation of presently extant companies and technology. Just like what's happened in every hard left country in history. I'll be damned.
Hey Sup Forumsro, i believe ya. I too am a self made multi millionaire who makes a 7 figure salery. It was so easy too. I just got a small one million dollar loan from my dad that i didnt have to pay back. Im self made, just like that manely suave and totally macho Donald Trump... Fear not, I have your back. So long as that back isnt a shade other than lilly white. And you worship Jesus. If not, get fucked. Long. Hard. And sideways.
>B-but Donald is a business maan!
He inherited enough to make the rest easy. And if you think politics isn't hard work, you aren't thinking.
>P-people expect me to speak and act like a decent human being!
Do you feel oppressed? Have you been triggered?
>Only private fortunes can be invested.
No. This is wrong. Investment will take place in any society.
And there has never been a truly communist nation, never. China and the USSR merely used the name to manipulate their masses, the same way we throw around "freedom".
Communism is no longer the answer to capitalism. Still, capitalism is dead and something better will replace it no matter how hard the elites and right-wingers fight it.
I read this entire thread and I still haven't found a single reason not to vote for Trump. Just a bunch of bullshit slander.
>there has never been a truly communist nation
Lawl, like I haven't heard that one before. You know why? Because it's impossible. Basic laws of economics and rules of sociology ensure that no large group of people will ever institute a "truly communist" government. Hence the requirement for the totalitarian government, which is always instituted at first to protect the great experiment yet always becomes a self-perpetuating disaster.
Have fun with your anarchist wet dreams, I'll be thinking of shit that works.
>And if you think politics isn't hard work, you aren't thinking.
Yes it is incredibly hard work doing taking the safe route and never committing to anything, most politicians do absolute jackshit and those who do (positions of actual significance) yes...but just because it's hard work doesn't mean it's beneficial work rather than just pandering to idiots for popularity
>Do you feel oppressed? Have you been triggered?
Absolutely not because I don't give a fuck about PC culture, I'm not letting whiny cunts influence my speech. It just annoys me that decent people get fired and ostracized because some privileged children are worried others might potentially get their feelings hurt.
>And there has never been a truly communist nation, never. China and the USSR merely used the name to manipulate their masses, the same way we throw around "freedom".
Oh yes, communists have failed every time but mark my words next time's the charm! No matter how many times you try to get 1+1 to equal 3...it never will
That's one heck of a cop out. But I'll bite. What pray tell will replace Capitalism? It doesn't take much to show that over time Capitalism is the best possible system for every member of society.
I'm using the term to denote the class that owns means of production, words often have multiple meanings.
I'm not talking about communism. We can build a progressive society around a (relatively) free market. No one is suggesting a planned economy.
I was immediately about to bite the bait, but this thread has been pretty well represented by my side, trump because Hillary is a more competent crook than he is. And in a dream world a libertarian would be a valid option. And adequate explanations of why libertarian isn't equivalent to the tea party.
Good job Sup Forumsros, I'm feeling a rare moment of solidarity.
>Committing
Donald will flip flop like a dying fish when the general starts, or he will get slaughtered. He's too radical to get elected otherwise.
>I don't give a fuck about PC, but will vote for a candidate because he isn't.
Okay.
Nice twisting of my words on that last one. I'm not even suggesting communism. It's always you right-wing extremists that bring up the big C. It's like a goddamn fetish for you guys.
That's what the US currently has. It doesn't work for shit.
When you have just capitalism, you get freedom and growth. When you mix capitalism and statism, you get corruption and very slow growth. When you have only government, you have totalitarianism and stagnation. That's the historical track record of the spectrum so far. The closer to laissez-faire capitalism things get, the better they tend to work up to a point (that point being the split between minarchy and anarchy, as anarchy is unworkable no matter what philosophy is used). The farther from that level you get the worse things have tended to work through history, and the theoretical zone on the other end simply cannot be reached. So yes, I'm a hardcore economic libertarian, because that's the way that works for everybody.
*fist bump*
I brought up communism because you were talking about how investors contribute nothing to society...get rid of them and you end up with communism. Do you lack even this basic level of self-awareness. And yes, Trump will flop a bit, but far less than shillary will and I do believe he will at least remotely stay committed to certain ideas when/if elected, she will continue to be a pandering whore because that's what she's always done.
>Seriously, why do you people fear PC culture so much? Why is this even an issue?
I can't really explain it all that well due to being a retarded faggot, but throughout history there's always been forbidden topics and special protection of some people who were beyond reproach.
I am a lot older than you'd think, I am 56. I've been convinced of the virtue of free speech in its rawest, most unfiltered form since I was a child and I've always tried to do my share to let that freeedom happen.
For most of my life, the opponents of free speech have been conservatives. They have treated free speech badly. Now, I see a lot of liberal viewpoints gaining traction, but with them comes new taboos, new forbidden topics. That is something I fear, and here is why:
I've never seen the conservatives play nicely with free speech, why should I believe the liberals will handle their power any better.
Free Speech costs, and I will not deny that. Censorship costs more.
If you'd study history you'd see that shifts like that happen over decades or centuries. Not something a president can have much of an impact on. Not something we can predict.
Prove to me that capitalism is good for everyone, despite its toll on human health and wellness AND the environment.
You guys realize at our core we basically want to accomplish the same thing, but our voting system is so fucked up that we have to choose a polarizing side and getting mad at the other for giving up certain risks while both sides encompass groups that none of us wholly agree with.
Now we're up in arms against people with slightly varying ideas because we have black and white to choose from where most of us fall in the gray.
As long as we keep focusing on fighting the other side we're allowing the fucked up system to slide under the radar.
If the same amount of people that begrudgingly vote for the lesser of the two evils focused on changing the voting system as a top priority we'd have much more intelligent and informed debates about politics.
Tldr: people voting for Hillary aren't Hillary, and people voting for trump aren't trump. We should all just be pissed that those are our only options.
Perhaps you're right. Perhaps not. But saying capitalism is dead but you have absolutely no clue what is better doesn't contribute anything.
Completely agree. The system as it exists is far more of a problem than either side. Unfortunately the overwhelming majority of people simply don't care about politics, they will never go out of their way to fight the status quo unless something catastrophic happens
So what happens when automation progresses to the point where a majority of people have no work?
Trump is pandering. You can't see it because he's pandering to people like you. And you bring up self-awareness, ha.
And we can get rid of investors. I have some money invested. If they gov't gave me free money, I'd invest most of it. Make personal finance required in high school and others would do the same.
Don't pretend that being able to call someone a nigger or a faggot is good for society.
The important shit, like speaking out against political and corporate misdeeds is still very much protected, even in the PC atmosphere.
This whole ugly thread is a contribution, and I couldn't have done it without you.
Capitalism is a system that naturally allows incentives to be closely tied to ideas that are useful and beneficial.
The reigns are going to need to be pulled a bit but capitalism isn't dead, it's too strong right now. Fed too much by unenforceable/unenforced growth.
Capitalism will always exist, but if we can manage to increase the support of small local business instead of fueling massive corporations then we'd thrive at our highest level.
Ignoring incentives is an easy way to get crushed by those who do not. But as long as barrier to entry is increasing, and our consumer power is allowed to fuel employment in other countries. Our growth as a nation will continue to borrow from the future.
Tldr: ignoring capitalism is fatal. But decreasing the number of participants is also fatal.
I can't see it? I outright said he will flop, I am well aware of the fact that he is pandering. However I have to choose between someone who is pandering a bit and in general seems too much of a buffoon to pander more...and someone who has made her entire existence one of pandering to idiots.
>If the government gave me free money
Wow...impressive. There is no such thing as free money, that money either came from taxes or the printing press; in the first case now someone loses that money so you can get it and the latter causes inflation, thus losing the value of money for everyone. And what happens when someone is very successful with their investments? Are you going to kill them or take everything they own? If there is no way to ever make a fortune from the investment, why would anyone?
You're a fucking retard sperglord if you think anyone that's net value is over a million does even a minutiae of the work that has to be done to lead their company, nor do they even bother accounting for their own money at all. Got shit tons of stock brokers, accountants, bankers and such doing everything it takes to grow his wealth. (even if you don't know how companies work, all you need to know is that the board of directors can lead a company better than almost any spoiled richboy ceo)
Hurting someone's feelings shouldn't be regulated by the government
I think we should start with the electoral college. How can we convice a majority of the states to let the electors vote by the congressional district method of Maine and Nebraska?
Indeed it is, my point was that we already have capitalism, instead of needing a reason to keep it we need an idea to shift to and a reason why. And glad to have helped
Yeah socialism is turning out just great for Europe isn't it?
I mean shit its not like they have a debt crisis because they've been spending money they don't have for 20 years.
See! Both sides can work together to fix the system, instead of going through the same bullshit every four years.
If everyone worked together on that we'd be better off than just accepting it as a concrete truth
Damn, I love these arguments that aren't republican or democrat specific, they make me think a bit more critically
>admitting you have nothing but knee jerk reactions.
That would be a good place to start. Would need to try to convince the average person that this is a problem and their votes don't matter, try to make this enough of an issue to get some state officials to give in and change. Would probably work better with smaller states where there is less of a party divide and more people are likely to be aware of state politics. Might have a chance, seems like more people are getting tired of the electoral college every election, at least.
Fuck off faggot. All trump vs Hillary bullshit is knee-jerk reactions at this point.
Up until now all insults at least came with legitimate arguments. Nice job breaking that trend faggot.
Would a president be able to make fptp voting system implemented? Or what would it take?
Sorry I don't know much about what presidents can do regarding voting systems.
Damn, copying these to notepad
I don't think so, I believe it has to be at the state-level. Plus it would be political suicide to attempt it anyway, congress would oppose any attempt. As for what's required, I'll have to look it up but I think the state government has the power to change as they please.
I don't pretend that hate speech is good in itself.
But it is a sign of a healthy society, as long as all types of hate speech are equally unhindered.
You want to have your No Logo, your Adbusters, your Rage Against the Machine, then there'll also be Milo Yannopoulis, Tea Party and Johnny Rebel.
And all of these except Milo have experienced censorship, RATM most of all. Which just goes to show my earlier point; Liberals haven't historically been the enemies of free speech, but you're starting to now.