Name a more masterful fantasy writer...

Name a more masterful fantasy writer? Tolkien was good but I believe Martin perfected fantasy and if he released his books at the same time as Tolkien he would have very much been the superior

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I prefer Rothfuss to Martin, and Tolkien to them both.

3 words that destroy your theory. the dumb third-rate hick-level bullshit "hold the door". so fucking dumb

Steven Erikson

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Sanderson

It's all subjective and I can respect that oppinion, Tolkein isn't as dark as Martin in my opinion, it's more black and white and Martin seems to produce world that is much greyer

I second.

I believe it was planned by Martin from the beginning, these books are pretty old and he has had a lot of time to think up twists to them

There is a great copy pasta about the power of tolkien

I mean tolkien invented entire languages, Elvish even has an imperfect tense ffs

my nigga

>GRRM
>Fantasy

pick one

he writes SciFi
ASOIAF is SciFi

Jordan's Wheel of Time is objective far better than Game of Thrones.

Kings.
Queens.
Dragons.
Dwarves.
Horses, fortresses, magic, and swords:
You hob-bit my whole shit, you uninspired hack.
You want a war, George? Welcome to Shire-raq!
In book sales, you've got nothing to say:
I'm number one and two; you're under Fifty Shades of Gray!
I got the prose of a pro; your shit's subpar.
You're a pirate; you even stole my R. R.!
We all know the world is full of chance and anarchy,
So yes, it's true to life for characters to die randomly;
But - newsflash! - the genre's called FANTASY!
It's meant to be unrealistic, you myopic manatee!

Did Martin create an Elven language?

Tolkien was no doubt a literary genius I am not disputing that, and Martin was inspired by him, but I belive martins works outshine tolkiens. I cannot dispute that Tolkein basically invented the fantasy genre

He didn't even create Dothraki, but in my opinion his books are far more interesting with their complexity and grey morality
-OP

I can't hear you over the immense stack of quality shit Terry Pratchett wrote over the course of his life.

check mate OP

Shut the fuck up.

yeah and? that makes it even dumber

George is a solid writer, but calling Game of Thrones fantasy is laughable.

Apart from ASOIAF Martin writes exclusively sci-fi. ASOIAF MAY OR MAY NOT BE SCI-FI THO.

who is this?
dont shoot me

LURK MOAR.

Well I mean, it is fantasy, Might not think it's good fantasy, but it's fantasy. Isn't exactly a fucking documentary.

I'm sorry, but Martin is mediocre when it comes to actual writing.. He might be a great world-builder and all... but he is not a Tolkien/Lewis type of writer, not even close.

I like Martin. But "hold the door" it's just stupid.

Lol
>Critiqueing literature
>Plainly amateur bibliophile
Get gud m8

Here's your reply. Now off you go back to that basement you call home

he looks like the fat guy from Jurassic park add 40 years and a very gay hat

>Martin

>Fantasy

pick one.

The only talen Martin possesses is creating big family trees and having people plot and kill and fuck each other.

If that is the standard you are setting for fantasy, then Kanye West must be a great composer in your eyes.

I bet it isn't stupid in the upcoming book... it's the show that made "him" cram Hodor's entire backstory into like 4 minutes of screen time lol

without tolkien martin is nothing.

Far, far too mundane to be fantasy. Erotica is a fantasy, but calling it fantasy in the sense of the literary genre is dumb. Game of Thrones would be similarly misnamed as fantasy.

Probably, but he will die before he realeases it.

martin is garbage, go read stephen donaldson, terry goodkind, brandon sandersons wheel of times

If LotR is high fantasy than GoT is low fantasy

Let's see, Robert Jordan if you're a fan, then there's David Eddings, David Brun, Terry Patchet, Neil Gaiman, and the lovely Romantic work of H.P Lovecraft...There's 5 or so to start, what about you?

R.A Salvitore

Best science fiction book. Amazing story, lot of porn and violence and it's full with amazing fantasy that seems everyone to suck it up and believe it was real, what's good the book was written by 40 people in a period of 1500 years.
Amos, Daniel, David, Ezekiel, Ezra, Habakkuk, Haggai, Hosea, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Joel, Jonah, Joshua, Malachi, Micah,Moses, Nahum, Nehemiah, Obadiah, Samuel, Solomon, Zechariah, Zephaniah, James, John, Jude, Luke, Mark, Matthew, Paul, Peter.
10/10 would read the bible again.

Oh yeah he will probably eat himself like some stupid old desert snake. But bashing his work like anons here do is stupid. ASoIAF isn't really fantasy, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

Oh I can't wait for the crusades to erupt in this thread, gold star for you user.

spoiler: jesus dies


spoiler 2: not really

Easy, Terry Brooks.

theres a lot of fantasy in it aside from the political drama based parts. how is it not fantasy
dragons arent real
ancient magic zombie people arent real
a lot of that shit happens to not be real. more like a fantasy if i dare say

Well, his demographics are small. There really aren't that many people retarded enough to actually like his plagiarized hackathons.

ok retard give us the revised series then

demographics has nothing to do with it, this isnt a contest of most popular, this is a contest of the best.

Brandon Sanderson actally wrote a pretty good report on magic in fantasy, I think it basically said that if you can fully explain it, if you can do anything with it, and there is limitless power in it. Then it's a bad magic system.

In the show they really don't touch on even a tenth of the magical shit that happens in the books. And that shit is broken as fuck

All these fucking casuals don't even know what they're missing

Jordan is ok. A matter of taste where you place him in relation to Martin.

David Eddings is kinda crummy. He's had a few good streaks but some of his output is just pants-on-head stupid.

Can't speak for Brun, haven't read.

Pratchett is, on the other hand, head and fucking shoulders above all the rest of the clowns in this thread.

Neil Gaiman is good as well. Competent and open to subjective interpretation.

Lovecraft is a snoozfest. At least what little I could stomach.

There is more to fantasy than Dragon's and magic mate... It's the style of the story and writing that makes fantasy a distinctive genre

you just like martin because of the nudity, end of story

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Martin produces amazing symbolism, He did a very good job hiding who the actual major character where, he creates complex and gritty stories, also it is fantasy, its just not chalk full of magic and mythical creatures like some prefer. Sorry Jamie Lannister isn't throwing around fireballs and Jon Snow can't fly like an eagle. However it is fantasy

GoT Is such low quality shit. There is nothing about it that even comes close to the LoTR. The fact that HBO was able to have so much success with this garbage is indicative of the time we live in.

That's total bullshit. Your the arbiter of fantasy I suppose. Next you'll tell me that Nightmare on elm street isn't horror because it lacks the " style"of a horror movie, there are no distinctly set boxes for genres

Very good job trolling m8 I r8 8/8

R. A. Salvatore is one of the more lauded, having a masterful writing style of brilliant fight choreography mixed with soul searching insight. He created Drizzt Do'Urden and Cadderly Bonaduce.

Gene Wolfe

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lolfaggot

He used to write Sci Fi. He knew when he thought up the dire wolf scene that this story wasn't sci fi and it is indeed fantasy.

This faggot is right. Asoiaf is an overrated garbage. It's pure shit tbh.

Moorcock anybody?

Tolkien
Eddings
Pratchett
Weiss
Sanderson
Jordan
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Seriously, I could go on all night. Martin is a hack and there are tons of fantasy writers who are objectively miles better than he is.

>Sanderson

Yeah Martin is shit but Sanderson is worse imo

My top 3:

Steven Erikson (Malazan, Book of the Fallen)
Ian C. Esslemont (The other Malazan books)
R. Scott Bakker (The Prince of Nothing)

Tolkien was a pioneer, but also his writing leaves much to be desired.

Martin started strong, his books are decently written and shine in their ability to appeal to a massive audience.

They both pale in comparison to Steven Erikson's worldbuilding and incredible character-driven storytelling. Ian C Esslemont takes the world he and Erikson built and approaches the writing in a different but still fantastic way.

All should kneel before R. Scott Bakker. The Prince of Nothing (though an unfinished series) is one of the most real, brilliant and incredibly unique settings and stories I have ever read. He doesn't just write characters, he writes the most real, human, understandable characters. Critics largely compliment him but score his books low because they are emotionally painful. I've read hundreds of books, dozens of series, and only twice did I come to tears over a character's experience. Both were while reading The Prince of Nothing. Once in The Warrior Prophet and once in The Judging Eye. The writing is beyond good, I would not be even remotely surprised if he came forward and revealed that he'd sold his immortal soul to eldritch deities for writing prowess.

Read "The Darkness the Comes Before" by R. Scott Bakker.

...wanna bet ASOIF is still SciFi?

> humans colonized Planetos ~12-15,000 years ago (likely Asshai)
> despite being advanced genetic engineer they almost succumb to a cataclysmic event (climate change or pandemic)
>the resulting civilizations are stuck in an interregnum with 1) Medieval technology at odds with marvels such as the Wall, Storms End, The Eyrie, 2) prolonged (nuclear?) winters that wipe out surplus and social ties, 3) unwritten, forgotten, and muddied history....

>JRRT good
>GRRM better

pretentious faggot spotted

do you even read any?

you don't READ JRRT, you study them

Micheal Moorecock

Mo nica.... just 3/4 way through book 14 and shit is going down everywhere

Won't be in the books you fucking nigger faggot. DnD licking cum-gobblers everywhere. GET OUUUUUT! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Game of thrones is a fanasty series not a scifi series...

correct and i need to reread that series again

Margaret Weis

who?

No. JRR Tolkien is a linguist who wrote a book series to go with the languages he created. The actual writing is so weak and underwhelming that even though I've read it almost a dozen times for various classes and also for my own personal enjoyment, I've never understood why people raise it up on such a high pedestal. It's good, it's just not as good as everyone makes it out to be.

R.A.Salvatore. I do like the Forgotten Realms more than Westeros and middle earth.

lewis was a terrible writer and your points are now invalid because of it

> game of thrones
> fantasy

Autism

GRRM is shit

he is an overrated pervert who had an amazing idea of killing of mayor characters. thats it.

Literally, that's it.
He introduced the shock factor of charachers dying in fantasy, everything else is nothing but porn and an idiotic/simplistic depiction of the medieval society.

my somewhat weird uncle gave me behold the man when I was 14
did he have ulterior motives with that

While I do agree that Jordans world supersedes GoT the books are full of detail with very little pay off until the last chapter.
Book 10 was a fucking grind and once Brendan got to 12 through 14 the story was far better so not sure if that wa Jordan finally giving all the good stuff in what should have been the last book or a credit to Brendans writing with Jordans notes etc.

ahaha no

see what this faggot wrote i don't agree 100% but he got the gist IMO


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Friendly reminder that Tolkien considered doing a sequel to LOTR set during the 4th Age, during the reign of one of Aragorn's descendants. Very quickly he realized it was all politics, conspiracy, plotting, the rise of a Satanistic religion devoted to Morgoth in Gondor, the corruption of the line of King Elessar. Very much a prototypical ASOIAF. In short order Tolkien realized it just wasn't even worth writing.

Martin BTFO decades before even deciding to begin his colossal goatfuck. All Martin can do is introduce characters and kill them off. The guy is a hippy who hates violence and a draft dodging coward. Meanwhile Tolkien served in the trenches of WWI for King and Country and fought and bled alongside his fellow countrymen, seeing his friends die before him. He crafted the mythological realm of Middle Earth to escape the dreary, bleak, forlorn world into which he'd been left following the Great War.

GRRM just wants you to understand that violence is bad and bad for you by raping his characters. He's fooled everyone by actually writing a pretty cliche and by the numbers high fantasy/scifi series.

You! I like you

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>he is an overrated pervert
that describes 98% of successful writers

the other 2% are underrated

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b8.
>didn't even finish writing book before publishing
>still hasn't finished book.
>Neil Gaimaned every thing from zombie fiction and the War of the Roses.
>JK Rowlinged what should of been at most three books into 5+ with superfluous side bullshit while completely ignoring the main storyline (Invasion of westeros by the whitewalkers) for two whole books.

martin is stupid

his inspiration for the book was from the nfl

like seriously? fuck off mate

Martin sat down with the writers and explain that this was the origin of Hodor so I hope it's not in the book but Martin did sign that off

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>spoiler: jesus dies
>spoiler 2: not really
Kek

No mention of Feist yet?

Terry Pratchett.

Henrik Ibsen

seems like a cool guy, all of moorecock's books are rather dark with some philosophy thrown in

He has good ideas but he's a fucking boring writer. Plus all of his main characters are invincible until they get really old.