Any software/web developers, on Sup Forums tonight?

Any software/web developers, on Sup Forums tonight?

Could use your advice.

>I need to establish myself, either as an entry level or intern working in the tech field
I ultimately want to work with designing hardware and software ( currently making my own project at the moment) or something relatively close to that kind of job

Question is:

>If I began tomorrow, teaching myself daily with courses, books, and forum resources (maybe taking the odd class or two on subjects needed) what would I be able to accomplish job wise by or around November?

So let's say 6 months, what entry level positions could I hold?

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bumping because i'm sitting here stressing about my life and I need some advice.

Did NOT plan for mylife to be like this so I need a new plan

another random bump

another bump because I could use some answers please

come on guys, someone has to be on here

Don't just learn to learn.
Have a goal.
Something to reach for. Learn as you go toward that goal.

I have a goal
I just want a foot in the door, so I can build on that

>designing hardware and software
>software/web developers
>web developers

are you srs gtfo

hardware/software designers spend 4 years in college while some web freelancers just develop a portfolio then network for clients but most go to school for years

you want entry level work you better be specific and you better spend 40+ hours a week studying and making things

don't listen to these assclowns they will post as if they know nothing

...I just asked for people who would maybe have knowledge.
I know there are tons of different names for the tons of different fields...no need to get on my ass, just asking about beginners shit bud.

Im one. Im currently learning javascript for a cohort. its a 10 month program and Im trying to get accepted. sounds like fun but yet its a lot of work.

I also know some html and css. but just as a beginner. maybe I could make a working website or two.

I was thinking of starting out just doing websites while working my projects on the side.
HTML and CSS are givens.
I'm working to learn Python next and then whatever after.

any programs or classes you're a part of?

Html/PHP +js, CSS and you can start working. Give yourself a Month, lie on interview about experience show ur skills. 30k+ £/annum guaranteed.

>Dubs
I was taking CS intro for a while but it was the professors last year and he didn't give ashit so I learned nothing.
Just been doing CodeAcademy/ Treehouse, and other free online courses ,etc.
>a month
Already almost done learning HTML/CSS (i know theyre not really languages).
What if I showed them side projects?
>show your skills
Not too sure how those interviews go. Any ideas what they're like (what is asked?)

Start with Python. Start automating most of the things you do with a computer. For example, write a script that monitors Sup Forums boards. If you're a beginner, it'll probably take you a couple days to get something really shitty done, but at least it's something.

Then learn Java, and write the same thing with multiple classes. Get a feel for why Java forces you to structure your programs in a certain way. You'll hate it at first, but there's good reason for it. You'll probably spend over a week rewriting your Python program in Java.

Now you'll want to start understanding what your program actually does. In either Python or Java, write something that goes to a website using just a TCP socket and downloads a webpage. Estimated time: several days, and you'll have no idea what you just did.

Now install Linux onto something. Start reading up on the different levels of the networking stack, and start playing around with commands like ip, tracert, ifconfig, and route. Maybe install Wireshark and look at packets fly by.

Once you have an okay understanding of networking, go back to web pages. Make your webpage downloader actually parse more of the HTTP headers, and maybe even submit a web form USING A RAW TCP SOCKET. Don't use built-in library functions.

(cont)

I have been studying all kind of web/software developing since I was 7. I'm 19 now.
If you want to start web developing consider studying some HTML, followed by CSS (design) and Javascript (dynamics of webpage). You can learn this crap in a week/month if you want to.
Then follow studying some PHP and some mySQL (with Apache. There are online apache servers, like nixiweb, for instance). This would take some more time, as PHP is mainly server-based programming, relating databases of server with what the end-user (client) recieves.

If you want to focus on Software Development, get your ass on some C. C is like learning to do sums and substractions. Yes, you can do great stuff with C++, Java, Python, C#, and other languages, but if you know C you can basically do whatever you want. It's quick too.
Problem with C is that you will need to everything you want to do over and over again each time you write a program, and it looks ugly.

Also, for Software Development there are various "routes" as to aiming your software. You have functional languages, such as C, which basically is focused on doing tasks, sums, if you wish. Then you have Object-Oriented Languages (OOL, for short).
I know there are a few others, but I don't remember them all. I think there were five types. But don't worry. Learn some C. You'll develop your skills from there on.

Pick what you want to study the most. Then specialise.

I currently study embedded engineering (such as the shit in cars or your fire alarm systems).
This has a healthy mix of hardware and low level, although sometimes high level programming.

Web development/design is for faggots.
You dont need to go to school to be a faggot now do you?

Get certified ass clown, most companies don't care much of a degree it's more about what you can show. If you say u have decent skill set in html or whatever. The fuck project you work on, get a github publish ur code work and apply to intern/jobs and show them ur skill set with a decent fucking cover letter , for fucks sake stop sucking at life faggot

As this user said: , get to use Linux. Forget Windows. You'll learn a lot more using Linux.

Dont listen to this pleb.

C# should your number one go to language, its EXTREMELY well documented and theres a thousand and good tutorials (even by microsoft, for free).

C# is extremely flexible because of the .NET framework, you can full stack and lots of other things with it too.
If you want to be a web dev, after C# pick another full stack or framework to work on.

If not PICK C, like this guy.
Its going to be mindbendingly difficult to go from Java -> C.

Make 5 websites as ur portfolio, go with it, talk a lot about it. If they Will see that you understand ur code they shouldn't ask any questions. That's why I did. And imao that's the best way to learn.

codecademy is a broken heap of shit. I stand against them and you really don't learn too much because all their lessons are vague.

>broken layout
>cant go back a few steps to revise what u did without it crashing sometimes
>typos in the hints
>wrong answers give you a "way to go"
>tell you the wrong syntax errors

treehouse and codeschool are better

but even treehouse have some issues with navigation

Once you get a feel for HTTP clients, make an HTTP server. Shouldn't take long to write something simple.

Make the server threaded, and make it serve multiple webpages on a single connection. View the page from your browser. Debugging this will probably take a couple weeks to get perfect.

Now learn about different kinds of web server software out there. Install one of them, and run it. Pay attention to the configuration files.

Now that you actually know what's going on, you can pick up a web development language. C#, PHP, whatever. Learn the libraries INTIMATELY. Remember that for any language, the real power lies in its libraries.

Now read up on job descriptions. Whatever languages they mention, learn those.

That's all.

This guy is a moron. If your going to be a webdev, they dont give a fuck about how it operates. Just that it looks good.

This guy
Is correct, check yourself into a university. Try to find a computer engineering degree or something. It should cover low & and high level programming, eletronics for hardware and webdev tripe.

the best developer in history

WHy C# and not C or C++?

No, But I want to get my foot in the door.

I ultimately want to design hardware and also work with software regarding the product.
projects that make a difference.
If it isn't interesting or my work doesn't have much meaning, I can't give a shit about it.

I'm "that guy". I never touched C#. Any tips as to getting into the .NET framework?

SO lets say I enroll in some classes at the local uni, or i get some grants to go to a good school.
Wouldn't that route take years and years to accomplish the goal?
Granted I can't learn everything on my own, but shit the internet is there for a reason right?

that motherfucker is haunting to look at

This is what I have so far
>learn html/css/python/ c/ or some variation of C.
>make some websites or projects
>Learn about them as much as i can
>Linux
>bullshit my experience, play up my ambition and projects?

All my interviews were like this . And ofc that the most important thing is what you can do and how it look. But if you are not sure about ur skills and u want to start working asap then that's the best way to avoid questions. Worked for me when I was starting in web dev.

You could possibly learn most of it on your own, but a university would have classes like algorithms or theory of computation which something like CodeAcademy won't cover as well. Companies also go through universities to recruit students for internships and jobs

Read up on common web vulnerabilities and vulnerabilities in the languages you use. Otherwise, you'll get shot down in flames in 50-75% of your interviews.

Getting certified doesn't take as long as a degree check out Microsoft or even Cisco certifications

Learn whatever you want, not what fucking random CS majors on the internet are telling you, and then making something cool. If you're doing this just for the sake of claiming that you're an "engineer", you're going to be disappointed

C is good too, its just not that user friendly per se.
Java is extremely user friendly but it has a lot of qwerks and I feel the .NET framework is extremely valuable.

You need to realise that a proper structured education will make learning things much easier, unless you are a very go to learner.
Institutions like universities also provide equipment, tutors and a good library.

>I ultimately want to design hardware and also work with software regarding the product.
projects that make a difference

This doesnt mean anything. Be specific in what you want to do.

Just YOLO that shit, its an incredibly large framework.
You can learn it on your own, its just much more difficult (especially the hardware part).

It also gives a broad spectrum of courses, ideas and faculty members from all walks of life with different teaching styles.

How much do you know about eletronic theory? (Ohms law and such).

You cant work if you dont know what you are doing. A good employer willalso want documentation.

Maybe find a startup that needs developers? THats what I did (now I hate web dev).

I worked for a startup for free while at university**.

I wont link the website, its a very small workplace.

Could I not acquire books or information online regarding algorithms and theory of computation, and spread my work to be seen?
could you explain some more as to why?
I'm looking up vulnerabilities as we speak
What's the pros and cons of going that route?
No, of course i plan on having my own route.
I'm just trying to find what would be the best route to get my foot in the door.

I'm doing this because I want to impact the most people I can, in a positive manner, for as long as I can.
technology is the most effective way of accomplishing that.

I just want to help people, and enjoy my work while making a decent wage

Starting from scratch with no previous knowledge? I don't know but it all would depend on you. I would recommend the classes mit posts on their open course ware. Introduction to computer science, Introduction to algorithms, Introduction to C++, elements of software construction, artificial intelligence (probably the best class at mit), design and analysis of algorithms, Advanced data structures, computer graphics, user interface design and implementation. If you're not good on math or physics, you'd probably want to learn cal 1,2 (bundled in the same class), multivariable calculus, differential equations, linear algebra, advanced calculus for engineers, phys 1-3. You will have to find a book or course on multicore programming elsewhere, and will want to read both effective c++ and effective modern c++, and probably a coding patterns book.

I don't know in how long this is humanely possible tbh

>Starting from scratch with no previous knowledge?
YUP.
This

>I'm doing this because I want to impact the >most people I can, in a positive manner, for as >long as I can.
>technology is the most effective way of >accomplishing that.

If you wish to "impact the most people I can", you must first master something to use to impact people with.

Studies show it takes 10,000 to master something. Dont commit ´to something if you truely do not enjoy the subject.

"Technology" the broadest field in modern day.
You MUST specialise if you wish to enter this field. If you do not, you will be jack of nothing master of fuck all.

In my degree about 60% dropped out. It not even a difficult degree, infact is very easy.

Programming is NOT for everybody.

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Code with a lot of vulnerabilities is a sign of a developer that doesn't know how to program accurately. A lot of programmers are expected to know the "gotchas" of the languages they're expected to use.

Thank you for saying this. Programming will suck and it will be very difficult to master it if you don't enjoy it or aren't inclined to be good at it. Definitely give it a shot, but have another plan as well

He doesnt even know how to program, there is no point telling him about vulnerabilities when he doesnt even know the different between the stack, the heap and a socket.

Addendum to his.
Want to impact people? Be a banker. Insane influence, you impact a lot of people.
Bad reputation though.

I know it's not, but I know what I want to do.
My main interest right now (and this has stuck with me) is home assistance systems.

Whether it's a basic lighting system, to a notification and home automation system integrated with solar and security.
I'm not talking Jetsons style iOT fridge and oven.
That shit is stupid.
I'm talking about smart homes that help in areas that actually matter.
Smart Motion notification systems for babies and caretakers that notify those caring for them if there's motion in rooms, smart lighting that only lights the areas around you as you walk past, etc.
Just tons of ideas like that.

I have tons of ideas, but that's the one I feel has the best possibility of doing well.
I've also really wanted to work with VR/AR but I hear that's just so fucking hard to do

I have hopes that he's going to save the thread and not let all this information go to waste.

This.
I don't know shit, so when people use the proper terms regarding certain subjects I just kind of shut down.
I could google them, yes, but It wouldn't help my comprehension.
I'm step 1 gentlemen, treat me like an idiot

I save all threads that help me.
I have papers and papers of advice from people, but most of it was bullshit, I found out.

>VR/AR
Shit wouldn't that be a fucking cool job

If getting your foot in the door is the goal, you might want to consider taking on a technical support role at a tech company. From there, you can build relationships with engineers, have them pass some small projects to you, and then eventually push for a transition into the engineering dept.

This approach works surprisingly well; I honestly can't believe where some people in my company ended up just because they convinced someone to take them on their team. Of course, after a few months, you'll have to have proved you're worth your salt.

How's he supposed to know to not leave his queued kernel waiters hanging on the stack if we don't tell him?

Cons, you won't leant much of the fundamentals behind the history of coding or computer architecture, most unis cover this but you can prob get a book about it and read a bit about comp architecture as far as how compiling code and assembly language coincide.

Pros, if you really serious about this November bs, then u can prob get certified in less than 3 months tops. Companies that were mentioned offer practice a guides to help. The end goal for a company is to hire someone who knows their shit pretty well, doesn't have to be an expert but at least have an understanding of the job at hand. Why wouldn't they hire someone who already knows their architecture and certified by the same company?

Many people who take this route eventually move up and get even better certificates and get better pay. It's pays to know your shit and companies want you to learn their shit. Another pro is the versatility, there some shit to get certified in, it's awesome if you love it

user here working with people that work on VR/AR. It's not a cool job.

You need to get into embedded systems then.
Regardless whether its a fridge or a "smart home", its still the same sort of components.

I've done a course on automated embedded operating systems. You generally do this sort of thing on linux on a beaglebone or any other small commerical board (unless you design, print and program it yourself).

As far as I know regarding VR/AR, theres still a lot of business within the military side of it and its pretty profitable as much as I hear.

They design modern warships in 3D nowadays to check for things like proper acces for maintence, its pretty good.


"Civialian side" I feel is extremely limited and boring, there hasnt been any advances in it for the last ten years.

You arent going to university for a fucking certificate. You are going there to learn the absolute basics of computing, such as architecture for instance. Certificates are worthless.

>You need to get into embedded systems then.
No he doesn't. While they are technically embedded systems, many of them now run on fully functional operating systems, like Android and Tizen. The trend will continue because it's literally cheaper to produce more powerful chips with more full-featured operating systems than it is to produce low-end chips with common embedded operating systems.

What kind of technical support roles are you implying???
That does sound like a solid route.
Getting paid while making connections.
can someone tell me what that means?
stacks, etc?

>Pros, if you really serious about this November bs, then u can prob get certified in less than 3 months tops.
I absolutely fucking am.
This is what I want to do and this is what I have to do.

I'm a smart person, I'm not going to dumb myself down here.
Not trying to pull my own dick either, but I'm confident enough in my capability to learn on my own that I can make myself stand out among those who have degrees.

So, lets say I go to get a certification.
There are quite a few to choose from, so which is the best?

Explain??

WHat's not cool about it?
funny thing, I was almost Navy Intel but had to stay home instead of signing..which led to my current shitty situation. So military tech would have been fun then.

So, why should I not get a certificate?
Understand I'm trying to weave my way through what might be helpful and what isn't
this is what I was thinking.

Embedded systems also include those kinds of chips. Its no longer just make your own shit. 80% of the stuff done in embedded devices are factory made crap.
Re-read what I wrote.

>can someone tell me what that means?
That specific comment is fucking with you. Your first step to learning is to search for it.

>So, lets say I go to get a certification.
Certificates dont mean shit. You are at the institution to learn, nothing more nothing less.
I know people who've been studying programming for years and dont know shit. Guess how far they go if they even get past the interview?
They dont, they work at mcdonalds.
Getting a certificate is just there to prove your not a total dumbass who can actually turn up to class.

The joke is that you can't understand what that means until you've taken some programming/CS courses or have done many many hours of self study. If you want to learn about the stack then google can explain it better than me

as a bit of "thank you" and "please keep helping", here's some OC of my fiance.

Most AR is Heads up displays for vehicles, like flights and stuff.

Like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=ypIbmfm7n8A

I think that's one reason (among many) as to why I'm not doing Uni.

I find that I can learn more, more quickly, on my own that waiting on the pace of a professor who might be slow as fuck.

My last 2 years of highschool allowed me to take control of my classes, my pace of completion, and my amount learned since I was technically teaching myself online.
I found I learned more on my own than ever before

I like how you repeated my description of what a uni teaches you. Read what OP asked for fucktard , he's trying to get something by November not fucking 2020 you fucking incompetent. Go back to reading about computer architecture u dipshit

not the op, but thank you just the same.

I started reading up on javascript and xhtml. thanks.

I wrote it as a joke because it's a particularly non-sensical sentence to someone not familiar with the terms. It's a reference to a Linux kernel vulnerability that GeoHotz exploited a few years ago to jailbreak an Android device. I actually wrote the the explanation, but I'll leave that open as a puzzle. You'll know you have a grasp of computer systems when you can understand it.

You can google the phrase. You'll find it pretty easily, and it still won't make sense until you learn the concepts.

I appreciate the advocacy.
As you said, I'm trying to get something going in 6 months to get my foot in the door.

look for coding bootcamps in your city/area. theyre on the rise. apply to them and most of them are free, though they are bootcamps that last anywhere from 3 to 7 months on average. Im in the process of applying to a free one thats 10 months long. Im also a beginner, theyre taking beginners so its easier for me. you pay 18% of ur first pay check for the first year when u land a job. but other thn that u dont pay anything else. its front end based for beginners level

Love this thread. I screenshotted a lot of shit. Thanks a ton guys. Question though, assuming a learn basic C and C## how long would it take to get an entry level job? Including learning time. Assuming I'm self teaching and a really obsessive fast learner? (Autistic) not op btw

also, they require some prework during the application proccess. the one that i aplied to is called C4Q cohort for queens in new york. they offer classes in front end mostly in javascript. also with swift for ios and java for android, so you get 3 choices.

OP here.
interested in this question as well

Firstly, hardware or software, not both. Prove it to yourself by looking at the complete lack of jobs that involve both. Hardware is boring, infrastructure and maintenance work imo.

Don't listen to this pleb.

C# has the worst documentation I have ever seen. There's a reason MS is going to completely redo MSDN. The only place you will find useful C# documentation is on stack overflow and it's very case-by-case. You will learn the name Jon Skeet. PHP by comparison has excellent documentation with examples. Also 80% of websites use LAMP stack (80% of the top 10 000 most visited sites). A lot of shit tier legacy PHP code is out there but that's because it's so easy to get in to that too many non-developers have used it.

Anyway, you'll want to follow this guy's advice, but I would add that while you can learn the theory of HTML, CSS and JS pretty quickly it will take you years to put it all together well - being able to hear a non-technical person explain their requirements and for you to conceptualise how that might work. You will also want to get on to frameworks regardless of which language you will use. MVC is popular right now.

learn front end based languages like html css and javascript first. then move to back end stuff like c and c#

>Explain??
It's grueling work, debugging is a pain in the ass, and the end result is never a good as you'd hoped.

I should mention that they're working on porting a gaming engine to one of the VR platforms. That may or may not be what you had in mind.

The professors job is not to teach, he is simply there to guide you through a curriculum.

If I asked my teacher for more difficult assignments. he would give them to me. There were guys like that. They will pass with full grades and properly honours.

Dont be such a fucking nigger.
Where the fuck do you think he's gonna get in 3 months? Maybe understand some basics, a protocol here or there?
He wants to change peoples lives nigger.
Get with the program.

Look, if you want to web dev, you can do that in 6 months. The competition is extremely high, although very few can even make a good website. If you want to make real systems, I've adviced you enough about that course.

This is a very good suggestion.

From 0 experience? Depends a lot if you can grasp the concepts relatively quickly, then like 6 months for C#? C probably longer.

Once you've picked up the basics of say an object orientated language like C#, the rest is mostly syntax and such.

If you cant grasp the basic principles, then you're out of luck and you will need to study hard.

Word of warning: Theres no real programming with Front-end, its all just HTML, CSS and a bit of javascript.

The magic happens in the back end, with the server and the database.

Lets say you want to make a website you need to learn:
FRONT END:
CSS,
HTML5,
Javacript,
SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN AND/OR BOTH
ASP.NET and/or Razor Engine (for MVC, but advanced).
BACKEND
C# (basics, like objects, functions, class etc).
Databased (MySQL/Oracle/Postgre SQL, Microsoft SQL).

Let me guess, your an android nigger? With his "documentation", atleast M$ is fucking consistent.

That's exactly what I had in mind.

I'm sorry for your loss.

This guy didn't give a fuck.
He just placed "slideshows" with information.
hardly ever took questions seriously.
Total cock.

>he wants to change peoples lives nigger
You're god damn right I do.

I don't care if I'm a computer keyboard cleaner. I just need a foot in the door.
I'm confident enough in myself that I can stand out and produce side projects that can mean something.
Thanks.
It was a long 13 months with him.
I was with him Daily, until for 3 hours on Wednesdays I could leave the house and go stock up on stuff or just go to the beach and relax for a bit.

I deserve a kick ass fucking job and a good life, I've put my fair share of skin in, and I'm 23. Think I've earned it

My advice is look into coding bootcamps, like Dev Bootcamp, or Hack Reactor. I tried doing it all myself, but it's very difficult to learn full stack, which is what you need to know. Once you know one stack any stack is learnable.

Then, unfortunately you had a bad teacher. They are out there. Ive just tried to avoid them.

Regardless, Im out.
I think if you want to change peoples lives, you wont do it by short term, gotta think long term.

>Re-read what I wrote.
I think your point was that a lot of embedded systems programming is largely similar, so if he learns to do it in a few places, he'll have an easy time applying that to others. My point was that a lot of systems programming is largely similar, so there's no real point in putting effort into embedded systems programming specifically.

microsoft.com/en-us/learning/mcse-sql-data-platform.aspx
Cloud computing is the future, being able to manage its large servers and growing data is going to only benefit you in the future. New frameworks and data methodologies are already being developed by subsidiaries under Microsoft, this specific cert. Will put ur foot in data mining world and you can def learn a lot about developing data bases and set ur skill set around the cloud environment. From reading the other posts early on, they are def right all the data being handled is all for AI and VR. There is a fuck of data that is derived from real world elements(depth, IR sensors, lidars, gyroscope and so on)

>So let's say 6 months, what entry level positions could I hold?
Assuming you don't have a relevant degree (CS/Eng) and have no job experience in IT, you might be able to land a junior front end developer role. To do that, focus on learning HTML/CSS and JS/jQuery. If you want to work in a commercial context, look at eCommerce websites. Find a website you think you can improve and tinker with it with Greasemonkey. Build your own website and blog what you've learned each day. Employers lap that shit up.

Nothing, you will need at least a 4 year degree and several certifications, some you will never even use but fuck it. Also, you will need at least 3 years experience before you can even apply for a entry level position.

Unless you "know somebody" you will not get a job doing what you want to do. The word you should be searching for your skills and education is "data entry"

Thank you, that sounds like some solid advice and I appreciate you taking my lack of knowledge into account

Don't listen to this guy. There's no need to dedicate time to figuring out how to manage large servers, especially not so early on. Scaling is largely managed implicitly by most of the tools you would use. For the vast majority of people, that is good enough.

If you want a job you need a degree. At least a bachelors. Fuck all of these people telling you how to do it without schooling, anybody serious won't look at you unless you're incredible (been coding since you were 12), and then you have to prove your capabilities. Something like what said. But still, you can learn all of what he said from just a couple of books.

not true

C is imperative you fucking retard. What this retard means is that you create functions to do things for you. A functional language is like Haskell or Scheme

Np. There's loads to learn in this field. I've been a full time web app developer for around 8 years and every day I learn something new. The good thing is once you get your foot in the door, your employer will probably expect you to spend most of your time teaching yourself.

Go find me a job on glassdoor or anywhere that doesn't say bachelors with 2+ yrs of experience or a Masters degree

And I mean't in california. Unless you're in california, texas, or new york then don't even waste your time on an industry that you are nowhere near

That's what I've been told.
Friend of mine does websites and says most of the time when he needs to program something in a language he doesn't know or ina way he doesn't know he just looks it up

Sorry, I haven't gone to a university as for yet. What I know is from my own experience. Can you provide more explanation?

HOW DO I SAVE/CACHE THIS

LOOKING TO GET INTO PROGRAMMING AND THIS IS HELPFUL

FUCKIN WHAT DO

Just Ctrl+S the page

Can you go into detail ? I'm not quite sure what you mean as far as regarding the tools that you would be using that constitute managing data servers.

I don't know what it's like at the entry level, but at the higher end of the pool this is absolutely false.

No one enforces those "requirements". They're only heuristics to try to get the right person. Put a few projects on your resume, and employers will completely ignore your lack of a relevant educational background.

Source: I hire people, and I work with people that hire people. In California. We're starved for talent, and we'll take anyone sufficiently competent.

Also, North Carolina has an excellent software engineering market. It's called RTP.

I'm on mobile

What happens if it dies while I'm not here and I can't refresh to get more content because its not available?

Just keep the tab on this page.
Screencap the whole thread bud.