SERIOUS IDEAS for how to improve soccer

inb4 multiball, we all know it sounds fun but this thread is for thoughtful ideas instead that you really think will help.

Here's some ideas, pick whatever ones you like and suggest your own. These ones don't all need to be used together.
>0-0 ties give both teams 0 points
>ties between club teams give the away team 2 points instead of 1, unless it's in a neutral venue
>penalty kicks should be moved back far enough to usually give the keeper time to react, that way it's more of a contest of skill and strategy than luck
>if a defending player kicks the ball out of his own side's goal line, the corner is taken from the spot it went out, unless it went out inside the penalty area. in that case it's placed at the intersection of the goal line and the penalty box area on that side.
>there is no offside call on the inbound kick from a corner, it goes back to normal afterwards
>there is no offside call from passes in the penalty box to another player in the penalty box if the defense has 2 players inside the box, goalkeeper included.
>there is no offside call when the pass is made by a player that is already past every defender but the goalkeeper
>players can legally use their arms to push each other and make room when going up for headers or on set pieces. elbow and shoulder blows don't count as shoving though, and shirt tugging is the same as usual too.

>if a defending player kicks the ball out of his own side's goal line, the corner is taken from the spot it went out

This topic/that flag

>spain hates change
That's kind of funny considering that Spain is so poor that it practically lives off of spare change.

instead of the game ending in a tie, why don't they just keep playing until someone scores?

Why do penalty shootouts need to be 5v5 anyways? Is that one of those useless relics of the past things? They should just be sudden death desu

no goalies

Extra time is painful and tiresome, too many players would get injured if they had to do it at each draw.There are no timeouts in football, no commercial breaks...
And yes they act like faggots whenever someone touch them, but running during 90+minutes is legit exhausting, and yuo got only 3 subs, not unllimited ones.

0-0 should be decided by penalty shootout with 5 fans who've won an online Coca Cola contest.

>there is no offside call on the inbound kick from a corner, it goes back to normal afterwards

You do know it's impossible to be offside from a corner?

the only thing footy needs is the "challenge" rule from American football where they use footage to confirm shit. Diving would be gone in a year.

This.
Also a stop clock rule when action has stopped. Extra time is bullshit.

But diving is sexy, imagine all the drama gone
>inb4 no era penal
>inb4 butthurt 4 ever & ever

That would be tricky, a team could purposely drag out time during the challenge to rest players,

you wouldn't have unlimited challenge and at least they don't drag out during actual play time

the thing is that in the NFL, they discourage overuse of challenges by limiting coaches to 2 challenges per game. if their challenge fails they are penalized by having one of their timeouts taken away, which are valuable in our sport and very limited in supply. I don't know how you could build in a way to counterbalance that in soccer so that it doesn't become just another way to create artificial stoppages.

each manger should have a red flag like in the NFL for at least one challenge of a call made by the refs I'll see this being used more reviews of hand balls and penalty fouls

>>there is no offside call from passes in the penalty box to another player in the penalty box if the defense has 2 players inside the box, goalkeeper included.
I like this one, that way if it's a big group in the box and it keeps getting knocked around like pinball, then it's all fair game and won't end with an offside call.

Ban all americans from discussing the sport

There. Fixed.

Double the size of the goal.

>>penalty kicks should be moved back far enough to usually give the keeper time to react, that way it's more of a contest of skill and strategy than luck
Most of the post is pure trash, but I like this idea.

Kek I like this.

I like it. Put the goalies on stilts too.

Triggered

Thee Yellow cards in stead of 2 for red card.

>0-0 tie = one month suspension for the entire team
>you cannot forfeit, you have to find other people to play while they are suspended
>must also let your wives see other men for the duration of that month

The loser team has to be sacrificed

csgo players

>I don't know how you could build in a way to counterbalance that in soccer so that it doesn't become just another way to create artificial stoppages.

Make each half 30 minutes but effective time. This whole wasting time by pretending to be injured is bullshit and needs to fuck off too.

>0-0 tie = one month suspension for the entire team

my sides

implement orange cards. no wait, hear me out.

the idea of handing out yellows is supposed to be like an official warning right, so that the ref can keep the game under control and you have to take the ref seriously. in practice though, it doesn't always work that way. you have up to 14 players a side per game who can receive a yellow before any additional yellows can result in a red. this means players can still be far rougher than necessary, they just change up who gives the hard tackles or whatever. the only way for the ref to combat this is to give harsher cards than usual in order to set a tone, but the fouling team can still control to a degree who gets those cards if they try, since the ref has to card the guy who committed the foul.

so instead, set a team limit on yellows before the orange is brought out. the orange card would come into play if that limit is hit OR if a red card is issued before that limit. I dunno how many the limit would be set at, that'd be something to figure out for game balance. but let's say it's 3.

so after the third yellow has been issued to players from the same team, the next yellow to anyone on that team will result in an orange card. they are issued in the same way and for the same reasons as a yellow card would, but the player receiving it is ejected from the game as a result. however unlike a red card, they would be able to substitute that player if they have any left, and they would not be banned from the next match because it would "count" as a yellow.

that way the ref can send a message to the teams that they've crossed the line now. they didn't listen when he gave out just yellows, so now any fouls that would normally be yellows will get you kicked out of the game even if you didn't have a card yet. if they don't want that to happen, then the whole team has a responsibility to not let it get to that point.

They play for an extra 30 minutes in the knockout stages, if no goals then it goes to penalties until somebody wins

This stage is always the most boring since games can end in a draw

>it can become an endurance match and fuck both teams on the next match

>because the first goal declares the victor, teams HAVE to play defensive (avoid losing), which goes counter to finishing thegame as quick as possible and makes endurance matches more likely

Guys, guys listen.

Why don't we just take the game as it is but play for like 4 hours.

literally the only fix the perfect sport that is football needs

>posting the monkey girl
Well shit, I was gonna object but it's impossible to disagree with best monogatari.

Dammit America, can't you just accept that ties are accepted in football? We use a different point system in our leagues, aborting the ties it's dumb because there are no Playoff in football.

easy, any challenge that doesnt have to stop the game (null goal, allow a goal, declare a card, penalty) is done automatically by referees (hire 3 more to control the feed), the game doesn't stop, new stuff is awarded when there is any stoppage, the tv feed shows a replay of the foul/goal/whatever to show why the new referee ruling. Any challenge that has to be done on the spot (no idea which one should) uses the single 1 challenge the coach gets and it is only refunded if the challenge passes.

>Dammit America, can't you just accept that ties are accepted in football?
honestly no, we can't. the very idea of two teams coming out equal intrinsically goes against everything we associate with competitive sports.

two teams go in to decide which one is better.
one team wins, the other loses.
and so, on that day the winning team was better.

having a tie ruins the competitive notion of it, because nobody is declared the winner and thus the better team. to most american fans, that makes the whole idea of sports completely pointless. may as well not have even played the game in the first place.

>perfect sport

goals inside the box = 2 points
goals outside the box = 3 points
penalty goals = 1 point (you're gifted two penalty attempts for each call)

Goalie is allowed to check people in his crease.

>Another "Septics want to change a sport so they can enjoy it" thread

>that makes the whole idea of sports completely pointless. may as well not have even played the game in the first place.

areyounotentertained.jpg

They're never going to go away as long as soccer isn't given its own containment board. Sup Forums is american Sup Forums, so you if you post soccer here then you have to deal with americans talking about it how americans do, too.

>American flag with opinions
>soccer

MUL

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In hockey we have an embellishment call. Soccer/Football NEEDS this.

I can personally get over it because I was exposed to it young enough, but it's still a foreign concept to most people here. it's very easy to mock soccer here, all you have to do is call it gay, bring up ties, say how it's just 90 minutes of jogging and that's exercise not a sport, or call everyone pansy-ass manlets because they flop. do any of those, and most people will agree with you. you don't even need to get into the parts about no playoffs, no draft, no salary cap, promotion/relegation, or series that aren't in odd numbers. the fact that there can be ties is seen as far more egregious a fault, and a self-evidently irredeemable one at that.

>subtle basketball reference
I like it

>>subtle basketball reference
What, because he's brazilian? It wasn't that clever.

end to end goals? auto win?

fuck all the "FC" and "united" shite

I get why Americans don't like draws, its because your leagues aren't really leagues, they are knockout competitions in which draws are meaningless.

> World Cup 82.
> France - W. Germany 3-3
> West Germany wins in the penalties
> Considered one of the best matches all-time

Better not be played because ended with a tie?

It's not that all the ties are 0-0 dude

just a couple ideas.
first they need to stop pretending it's still the 19th century: we got cameras, we got instant replays, we can actually stop-restart the clock, fucking put this technology to use, get the calls right, do away with this bullshit arbitrary injury time.
also because it's so old fashioned the game is ridiculously defensive minded, they need to find a way to make scoring more common. the fact that scoring once and parking the bus is the winning strategy is just stupid.
then to get rid of the flopping, thanks to instant replay we can identify simulator and warrant them an automatic yellow card plus additional fine after the game. since now we actually stop the clock players have no reason to roll on the ground in an attempt to waste time

they aren't leagues in the same sense as what you call leagues, but they're still very much leagues, especially baseball, basketball, and hockey. that's actually kind of amusing considering that the NFL's format is similar to that of the World Cup. you have 8 divisions of 4 teams each, and they send teams to the single-elimination playoffs. in that sense, the Euro and Copa America are just the same idea as our american football league, only smaller.

Fucking Britons why you let such a bastard son to be procreated as America? You shame Europe

it's not me you need to justify it to, dude

on a side observation, you guys are just as touchy about us suggesting there shouldn't be ties as we are about the idea of having them.

Chainsaws.

They get paid enough, make it a death sport.

Eliminate horseshit tiebreakers like Penalty Kicks and "Away Goals" and play the game out, except with additional substiutions allowed for each additional overtime period. Breaks every 15 minutes in extra time too.

Automatic review of any play that results in a sending-off, and more suspensions for diving.

there is a team in Manchester, England whose name is FC United. just thought you should know.

>eliminate Away Goals
please

Actually, in the Ball Game the sacrificed one was the winner team

I actually laughted with this . Thanks America

Top notch shitpost, lad

funny enough, football, baseball, and basketball all have ways to score that immediately reverse who's winning or not, but as far as I know soccer doesn't EXCEPT in the case of Away Goals. usually, you'd need 2 goals to do that since the losing team turning into the winning team would have to pass through being tied, too. kind of like hockey, but there's enough scoring in hockey to make up for it.

What did he mean by this?

>all this crap because the euroshit meme cup

>it's a retarded tripfaggot speaks for all america episode

I don't have to, america is loud enough to speak for itself. it's not like that was even my opinion on tying anyways.

Field reduced to 50 meters length
Only 5 players plus goalie
No offside
Unlimited subs

You only get 3 guys to use as substitutes, but once you've picked one of your guys to sub on he can be subbed on/off as much as you like.

Yes bring back the NASL shootouts

Or even better, a 2 on 2

No wonder mexicans don't want to win

Rule that will work:

If you see an American at a soccer match, regardless of what role they play (fan, official, player, etc.), their life is forfeit and you can shoot them.

This rule also extends to Americans who mention soccer.

Problem solved.

Unlimited subbing, but only every 15 minutes. Also, players can sub back in


That'll add a lot of energy and increase the speed of the game


Also, like Italy said, stop the clock so faggots don't take injuries

2 pt line

>make it 7v7
>make the field way smaller but keep the same ratio of player:meter^2
>headers are not allowed
>redo the handball rule (make it based on intention instead of DUDE IT GRAZED HIS HAND LMAO)
>have timeouts
>infinite substitutions
>an actual clock that stops when the ball is not in play
>a foul system similar to basketball
>no "foul inside penalty box is automatically a penalty kick," replace that with a simple free kick unless the player was tackled from behind or something
>60 minute games with two halves
>ties are decided like in hockey with a golden goal
>instant replay used by officials
>fines given for diving, like in the NBA

I would also experiment with the net size so that a game averages 5-6 goals instead of the 1-2 goals right now. So yeah all that would make soccer much more entertaining.

>Stop the clock when the ball isn't in play
>End the game at exactly 90 minutes. Stoppage time is stupid.
>Allow instant replay and the ability to correct bad calls
>Treat OT kind of like hockey
>Every tie goes to OT
>Two 15 minute OT halves and it goes to PKs if still tied after that
>You still get a point in the standings if you make it to OT and lose

Boom. It's fixed.

My list of how to fix soccer:

1. Make the field slightly smaller and shorter so that teams spend more time in the goal areas at either end of the field.

2. Allow teams to make unlimited substitutions the way that they do in hockey. Fresh players would keep the intensity level of games incredibly high wire to wire.

3. Do not allow any contest to end in a tie. If there is a tie at the end of regulation, play a short overtime period (5-10 mins), followed by a shootout.

4. Review all goals, allow refs to review calls at their own discretion.

A game that is decided by a shootout is not a tie. We don't complain about it in hockey.

Please do not speak for all of us

The whole time thing is really inconsequential either way, the lost time is made up for one way or another

i-i-i-i-i-i-i actually- actually-- i mean- i actually- kinda- more or less-- want to-- i don´t know-- maybe even test this?

Stoppage time definitely doesn't make up for the stoppages though. It'd be much higher on average if it was (The ball is usually in play for about 65-70 minutes instead of 90). If they want the running clock it should at least be transparent. Have a ticker displayed somewhere counting up the time when the ball isn't in play. Then set that as the stoppage time. Don't just leave it up to the ref to say, "Eh, fuck it. 3 minutes sounds good"

>0-0 ties give both teams 0 points
>ties between club teams give the away team 2 points instead of 1, unless it's in a neutral venue
>penalty kicks should be moved back far enough to usually give the keeper time to react, that way it's more of a contest of skill and strategy than luck
>if a defending player kicks the ball out of his own side's goal line, the corner is taken from the spot it went out, unless it went out inside the penalty area. in that case it's placed at the intersection of the goal line and the penalty box area on that side.

All the above are reasonable.

>there is no offside call on the inbound kick from a corner, it goes back to normal afterwards

This only limits defending strategies and positioning, so no.

>there is no offside call from passes in the penalty box to another player in the penalty box if the defense has 2 players inside the box, goalkeeper included.
>there is no offside call when the pass is made by a player that is already past every defender but the goalkeeper

Over complicating, doesn't add much to the game. In fact it will make the game all about long passes into a lonely guy next to the opponent's goal.

>players can legally use their arms to push each other and make room when going up for headers or on set pieces. elbow and shoulder blows don't count as shoving though, and shirt tugging is the same as usual too.

I can see this being a thing, but I don't see how it would add anything.

How embarrassing, yurop.

1. eliminate the current offside rule
2. use a dedicated offside line like in hockey
3. Going backwards across the half field line is a free kick for the other team
4. penalties at the end of stoppage time for regular games
5. Diving is a red card
6. Repeat diving offenders get escalating suspensions
7. Salary cap
8. Do away with those hideous walking billboard jerseys
9. America starting to care about soccer
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9001. Keep things the way they are
9002. Clean up the racism plaguing the sport
9003. English success in the World Cup (not likely)

Thoughts?

We already did that in 2006

The offside rule wouldn't work in soccer because it's impossible for there to be a dump and chase in soccer. The current offside rule is fine the way it is now.

Having shootout after every league match ending with tie would drastically increase the luck factor. Also shitty teams would just park the bus and hope in penalty shootout every time.

>that flag, not even surprised

TRIGGERED

Yeah!
Based Joe ZDS Šimunić

From my point of view - every idea proposed in this thread would have negative impact in the end if you think about all consequences and how would gameplay really change, even if it sounds clever at first sight.
Maybe what could make matches more interesting would be really just widening the goals, even about 1 meter or so. Also penalties from bigger distance then.

Well then the good teams should learn how to score.

If you've just seen few matches of this Euro you can see sometimes it can be very hard when one of teams decides only to defend. Having penalty area packed with 10 players makes any ball difficult to go through. That's why I thought rules are fine and could help.

How would infinite subs ruin the game?

I was thinking about taking that rule from rugby
>If you take a yellow card you're out for 10min.
But the amount of refball is so hard in football that without a challenge rule it would rig games even more

If it's so effective, why doesn't every team do it when they go up 1-0? And if they do, then what's the difference?