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So has anyone here actually managed to master the himitsu of Nippongo?
Logan Walker
決して言語を全部知っている
個人的な目的は常用漢字と日本語能力試験二級文法を習うのだけだ。 結局日本語を学ぶのを終えたい。
Parker Rodriguez
I did this pic because I though I would have to create the new thread. Feel free to use it in the future, mina山.
Woah, talk about comfort zone vocabulary, I read this without skipping a beat.
Jace Hughes
>I read this without skipping a beat. But did you spot the mistakes?
Hunter Lewis
>Woah, talk about comfort zone vocabulary, I read this without skipping a beat. You cant really blame me for using simple words -you always use far less words in you speech than you can read.
Luke Hernandez
it should be 決して。。。知っていない isn't it?
But can I still use 全部 with a negative verb?
Colton Russell
Vocabulary and reading are very important, but your reason for learning is the most important thing of all! You have to think about why you want to learn Japanese, because that's what creates the will that you need to do your reps every day! The reason that you need to read for hours! When you've done over 1000 reps, and your hands are shaking, and you feel like you can't do another rep, then it's your reason that makes you go beyond your limits! It makes you go back in one more time and struggle to push through another 100 reps!
The problem with a lot of people is that they've never felt any pain. Any time it starts to get hard, they quit. For most skills, there is an unavoidable period of hardship and just plain hard work before you become proficient at it. If you avoid that period, that hardship, then how will you learn that skill? I dare you to take a little pain! I dare you to keep studying when you feel tired! Somebody said, "If I don't take a break, then I feel bad." What if you go through it anyways? You aren't going to die! At the end of pain is success! You aren't going to die because you're feeling a little pain! A lot of people won't be successful because when they're studying, they get tired and slowly peter out and eventually quit! Don't go to sleep until you succeed!
Logan Miller
OK found my answer. Correct sentence (you never fully know a language): 決して言語を全て知っていない
Kayden Collins
>決して言語の全てを知らない / 知ろうとしていない >個人的な目標は常用漢字と日本語能力試験の二級文法を習うことだ。 >結局日本語の勉強は終わりにしたい Something like this, if I correctly understood what you wanted to say. Also that 結局 still feels off
Michael Stewart
孤独は、人のふるさとだ 恋愛は、人生の花であります いかに退屈であろうとも、この外に花はない
Adrian Butler
>いかに退屈であろうとも、この外に花はない Can someone help me with this line?
Joshua Sanchez
It's not like it needs to have perfect grammar in order to be readable without interruptions. It's just I recognized all kanjis and words because they're pretty frequent around here. I think 日本語能力試験二級文法 is a chink clusterfuck if you're caught off-guard
Easton Turner
It's really not a clusterfuck in that all those words are pretty common ones, especially if you're a student. Maybe you just have an aversion to chunks of uninterrupted kanji?
Elijah Nguyen
Or maybe I'm just that good already, thanks based Core!
お先に失礼します、お休みなさい。今回スレッドを死に遣らせないでね。
Jordan Jones
I think it's probably: "Even if it's tedious, there are no flowers besides this" Not sure though
Easton Bennett
Someone in the /jp/ thread pretty much gave me the same response. Thanks.
Luis Cox
>all that shitmetaposting on our supposedly superior sister thread I feel sad. All I wanted was to learn Japanese with you all. May Sup Forums carry the comfy spirit on.
Samuel Wright
>I know, let's metapost in this thread, that will fix the problem
Jack Morgan
>Old thread was only 88 posts old Dead and pushed off the board, or deleted?
Luis Rodriguez
>Even if it's tedious If it were just 退屈であろうとも that would be correct, but because the question word いかに is there as well it's "no matter how tedious"
you don't understand it at all 全然、わかってない 全く(まったく)、わかっていない i posted the translation about it on /jp/ The loneliness is a hometown of the people. The love is a flower of the lives. We have nothing but the love as the flower in our lives even if it is boring
そのとーり でも I can apply to 7 universities, there is 0 chance of me failing all 7. Going for engineering btw!
Tyler Russell
なぜにほんでエンジニアリングなの?
車作りたいの?
Liam Wilson
奨学金は全部払うから、アメリカとEUは高い パラグアイよりどこでも勉強したいって思ってた。 日本の大学はエンジニアリングにとってすごいレベルを持ってる。 日本について興味があるんだけど、アニメとか漫画とか理由ではない。 And I think I can learn a lot from that country and use it as means to progress my own country, thats why I applied to this scholarship.
Also, at least in my case if anyone wants to apply for this scholarship. Be prepared to study, this was my schedule for 6 months.
Easton Walker
夜3時間半、昼30分しか寝たらダメっていう慣用句があるよ
>四当五落
Adrian Baker
Why is ballet written バレエ and not バレー? I thought long vowels in katakana were supposed to be expressed with the dash thing.
How come this is allowed >"Gay guy here >Any japanese gay people want to do voice with me? >Im muscular hot and foreign and hairy."
But posting this as reply >"faggot cunt go kill yourself"
Results in post deletion and 2 day ban for >You will not post any of the following outside of Sup Forums: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.
Sup Forums is literally the Facebook of imageboards.
Brandon Kelly
M8, we are here to fucking learn Japanese. You can't get much more weeaboo than that.
Sebastian Russell
オカマのハッテンバすか? このスレは?
Hudson Kelly
How do I make rikaisama to copy all the definitions instead of only the first one like rikaichan
Nathaniel Davis
>You can't get much more weeaboo is that a challenge?
Jayden Jenkins
>質問はJTか/jp/に書きましょう Why? I can just write it here and you will desperately come to answer anyway.
G殺4ましょう!
Yeah, even using the n-word in Sup Forums is a big no-no in the current year, depending on the board. I miss when we weren't ran by babysitters like a forum. At least I could shit on people when they showed themselves too dumb to discuss anything, now I can only play the passive-aggressiveness game or let them take over discussions with their uninformed opinions. Our culture was forged in blood and shit, but now dwindles and merges itself with every social network out there. Any eventual accomplishment comes from the few boards that still allow some degree of chaos.
Owen Lopez
Fuck off you cancerous attention whore.
Eli Davis
Gはcockroachだよ
4は「し」で4649!
>G殺4ましょう! >Massacre cockroaches, now.
Carter Foster
so for how long are you already learning japanese? what are your goals? how much do you learn on a daily basis? why did you start and how did it go? how are your skills?
personally I've been learning japanese for more than 5 years now, but I don't really have any goal besides being able to understand and write it as well as english at some point in my life because it's more or less just a hobby for me it's hard to say how much time I invest, sometimes I spend hours on it and some days I barely do anything at first I just wanted to understand my animu better and tried to get around learning kanji and shit, nowadays I barely watch animu and want to be able to read japanese literature and watch "normal" movies etc. I think I pretty much wasted a lot of time in the first year because of this mentality, but I didn't want to give up. I always wanted to be able to speak several languages before I die, so I also started learning french on the side
I'd say I'm still intermediate, sometimes I can perfectly read and understand a complicates sentences and somtimes I struggle with the most mundane shit
Jace Allen
If you count the years where I pretended I wanted to learn Japanese but never really put any effort other than picking up a book 2~3 times a year, I've been learning it since 2008.
But I have only started to really study 12 months ago. Full ankidrone for 10 months, then read some Tae Kim and started reading recently - I can read some simple mango and understand Japanese streamers that speak slowly. I keep recognizing vocabulary in anime and music. Although not always, I can express myself enough to be understood and am able to understand the answer given to me,
I see myself being able to communicate better than nips speaking English on Sup Forums by the end of 2017. And being fully functional - maybe even advanced - by the end of 2018.
Fluency is something that takes time and I'm not really in a hurry, and... that's about it. The contrast between my 8 years of weeb-watching anime and my now informed-watching anime is scary, if I keep improving this fast, listening (which is the hardest for me in any language) will soon be no problem.
Chase Hughes
please respond
Logan Allen
>G殺4ましょう! く・だ・ら・な・い Kek out loud
There is the answer in yourself. Therefore nobody can answer to you.
You could ask us,native Japanese Speakers, about the vocabularies of Anime and Manga in our thread JT. Otherwise on /jp/. >I see myself being able to communicate better than nips speaking English on Sup Forums by the end of 2017. And being fully functional - maybe even advanced - by the end of 2018. 母国語話者に追い付くには、20年は必要です また、Japanese grammarと国文法は違います いくらJapanese grammarを勉強しても、日本語の六割しか理解できません
Hudson Thomas
JLPT results can't come soon enough. I'm already tired of waiting.
I've been learning for around two years and a half, with the first year being more saying I'm going to learn and being incredibly lazy about learning kana than learning anything. No sure about any goals. I might try to do a master in translation because nothing else appeals to me and I'm expected to stay in school for a long time. I try to do anki every day but I'm a lazy piece of shit so I don't do that much. I always watch anime with no subs and I converse with Japanese acquaintances often, though. I started to understand anime, and I found it fun, but lately I haven't had as much time so it's turned a bit into a chore. I want to change this and find the happiness of learning new words again.
Skills are alright. My forte are having casual discussions (I'm a good talker and I don't spill spaghetti everywhere even if I know my sentences aren't perfect) and oral comprehension, which would be pretty useless in an actual professional setting, but I'm not there yet so it's okay. I'd say I'm intermediate.
I also want to learn some other languages. I feel like learning a roman language would feel very easy after grinding kanji for Japanese.
Eli Wright
>so for how long are you already learning japanese? 2 years >what are your goals? Be fluent >how much do you learn on a daily basis? Anki and a couple chapters of manga a day >why did you start and how did it go? Started out on a whim, as I love learning new shit. Turned out very satisfying and kept with it >how are your skills? intermediate-high intermediate My listening skills are garbage though.
Nathaniel Rodriguez
>start anki session at 11pm >accidently fall asleep >wake up at 9am and finish anki session
FUCK ME IN THE ASS
am I STILL Going to recieve my anki session for today? please say yes
Austin Reyes
You took N2?
Luke Brown
Yeah, why?
Leo Roberts
Okay guys
The /DJT/ skype group is created. Post your skypename in response to this post, or send a message to noroikisaragi for an invite to the group
It should help our learning and motivation!
Connor Young
Just asked out of curiosity. I'd also say I'm intermediate but I'm rather unsure on whether I'd be able to pass N2/1, and if so, how hard or easy it would be.
More than one year ago I scored 170 on J-CAT, until then I kept studying and watching/reading contents every day. I'm not sure where I fit now.
Joshua Gray
samfisher10
Eli Watson
Maybe relevant.
Angel Rogers
This is why I set the next day start to 10 hours past midnight. I never get to do anki before 10am, so any crazy catchup can be done before then if shit goes down.
>Skype >Not discord
Adam Lee
Learn Portuguese, Bagetto-kun! French is my go-to easy-ass language when I need instant gratification, maybe it's mutually easy. Or maybe not, since French is a mix of Portuguese and English to me. Portuguese will be a mix of French and Spanish to you, probably.
Landon Peterson
Well, when in doubt I think you should just try it, if you have the means to. I wouldn't call myself intermediate-high but I still think I did relatively okay on the N2, I'm not sure I'll get it but I definitely didn't fail horribly.
Hah, I was thinking of Spanish or Portuguese actually. Might be fun, I'll have to get on that sometime in between kanji reps.
Elijah Wood
>秀でる >奏でる
Brayden Wood
>so for how long are you already learning japanese? No idea but pretty long, pace has been inconsistent >what are your goals? Spoken fluency, I'm not that interested in reading that much. >how much do you learn on a daily basis? I don't study but I spend around 6 hours per day using the language >why did you start I was asked to choose a foreign language in school and didn't want to learn spanish or french. > and how did it go? I only came close to quitting when I realized that I didn't like anime, manga, or VNs anymore, which was resolved when I found new interests >how are your skills? past N1 but not fluent
Jonathan Smith
Why did DJT get moved from Sup Forums? Did they get mad because it's not anime?
Also I've been getting back into Japanese for the 5th time in my life. Loving it.
Charles Mitchell
>そんな穏やかで柔らかな優しさで満たされた
Man that sounds nice
Lucas Howard
Where is this from? Can we go up to eleven?
Brandon Jackson
Fuck this language desu Actually fuck languages in general, I'm sick of studying
gn
Levi Butler
It's from fortissimo exs
Jaxon Lewis
笑
Cooper Reyes
Actively learning for maybe 2 weeks total between 2007 and 2010. Passively learning since 2005 through anime and occasional rikaisama translations of Japanese posts on the internet. Recently thanks to anime, I started understanding so much spoken Japanese, like close to 100% comprehension of Japanese meant for little children, and for example 100% of the trailer for Kimi no na wa, that the feelings of "If I understand so much why don't I learn the damn language already" reached an overflowing point and I decided to actively learn again. Have been mining core for the last 3 days and have 290 cards done (5%). That means I'll finish 6k in no time, only 2 months, r-right.
Wyatt Sullivan
>In such a sleep deprived state that you can fall asleep for 10 hours Sounds like the perfect condition to do some learning.
Protip for future: Learn to manipulate the "Next day starts at __ hours past midnight" setting. If you need some sleep do a card or two (to maintain that 100% rating) and push the rollover time way back and go to bed. Once awake and fully refreshed do your reviews and then set the rollover time back to normal to get back to you usual schedule.
James Davis
I have a firm grasp on hiragana, and I'm starting katakana today.
After that, the guide says to study Tae Kim grammar guide + Core2K/6K Anki deck.
Since Tae Kim's guide does not include exercises, how can I retain the info I learn? By just reading over each page multiple times, or reading it once and coming back to review it later?
Parker Thompson
Reading and encountering it in the wild. You'll encounter most of the basic stuff in the anki example sentences and the other grammar points will be a fuzzy memory you can quickly look up/review when you come across them.
Hunter Powell
Does anyone have the same problem as me? I can read hiragana and kanji at a decent pace, but I always have to stop a few seconds to read katakana. How do I fix this? Did I do something wrong? I've been studying for 2 months now.
Kevin Ross
>How do I fix this?
READMORE
Anthony Young
I am the same way 2 years into my studying. Just keep reading.
Daniel Reyes
Okay, thanks. Is there a recommended pace for reading through Tae Kim?
Sebastian Rogers
Download and complete a full playthrough of Pokemon Red/Blue japanese version on an emulator
You'll never fuck up katakana again
Do it. Start downloading it right now, you faggot
Caleb Fisher
As in identifying what each katakana symbol means? That'll improve over time.
Not that it'll really help being able to read the katakana sections faster. English/loan words written in katakana throw me off big time. I pretty much need to read them aloud and then feel like an idiot when it finally clicks what they mean.
