How does Sup Forums feel about communism?

How does Sup Forums feel about communism?

I'm a fan, high quality of life equally, self sufficiency, job security, meritocracy.

10/10 fuck capitalism, its ruined society as it should be

I second what this guy says. IMO USSR style is not effective but looking at smaller outsider examples it's great

I disagree with your USSR statement.

The USSR is the best example of communism.
It had the highest quality of life out of any communist nation. However it was stunted and simultaneously promoted by the cold war. Trade governed by the state with capitalist nations would have ended the technological issues, and the lack of non war innovation, however having to compete with the west was what kept it going despite lack of trade.

I'd gladly live in the USSR, Britain's shite, Canada's Shite, america's just horrific if you actually care about your political freedoms and economic prospects.
Reagan ruined the worlds only real chance at equality and further evolution, because his dad was rich and therefore nobody else's future matters.

Bump to keep thread alive

In theory communism is sort of a utopia. And in practice we will NEVER reach it. So its another hyped system that people should really let go of.

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Fascism > Communism

Those unable to keep up must be left behind.

Why dont you think it will ever work?

But is communism as its reality proves more effective than capitalism as a whole?

Nothing every goes according to plan, is the variations and fuck ups more sustainable and bearable than the boom and bust cycle?

Think, nigger, dont just say what youve heard.

Trotsky makes me hotsky.

maybe if there was only 30 people alive in the world and zero scarcity restrictions

definitel a step in the wrong direction

plato said 2500 years ago on the states roll as aspiring for that of aristocracy; a core tenant being a man is given what he is due,

and that a likewise jewish banker from 2000 years ago saying that truth is great and mighty above all things

the worlds not just psychologically sick in the head from unresolved past grievences, reconsiliation, but physiologically from this mass pharma bullshit yeah i get it you all work 40 hours weeks good on you dont have enough time to read a book thats fine but it doesn't antiquate to you standing in the way of those of us who did manage to retain an ounce of knowledge and ability past 3 in reading & literature comprehension.

I feel it would be the victor in the long-run, orchestrated by computers and other technology. I think it's very true that we're on the slow march to communism anyway, despite how much we promote capitalism.

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might work if you got computers to set prices and shit

>implying capitalism hasn't killed just as many if not more people.
>implying stalin's decisions weren't necessary.
>implying anyone else in mao and stalins shoes would have done a better job

No incentive to work

Government issue everything

Widespread corruption in every communist governemnt

It's a flawed ideal that can only work on small scale without any major enforcement.

That's what I'm saying. People aren't going to stop reproducing, and computers are already starting to effectively replace people in the service industry (look at McDick's trying to use machines to take orders now). Eventually, it will get to a point where everything will be provided by computers, even with raw materials being taken up and regulated by them. As for humans, we'll likely be exploring other planets since money will no longer drive our lives.

Just keep repeating the same flawed argument lol

>>implying anyone else in mao and stalins shoes would have done a better job
They would have

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Okay then, tell my capitalism is so grand, and ill counter those arguments.

>pro tip: its a matter of opinion
>pro tip: the best we can ever do is good enough

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I used to be a fan of communism. I'm not a fan of capitalism, but full on communism where the individual is working not for themselves, but for the greater contribution to society, will never work. Despite the profit motive being an inherent evil, individuals want to work for gains for themselves and their families. When it comes down to it, they don't give a good fuck about anyone else if their own aren't thriving.

you think. I did already.

Here is why. So first of all most people who support newwave socialism dont fuking get it that socialism is just a temporary system serves to transform a country from its previous system into communism. Socialism isnt ment to work in a long run (yugoslavia).
The idea of communism is aiming to make a world with no countries or No borders where people are ALL equal and no one is in power. What you give is what you get... thats its economy idea.
Here is the biggest flaws.
Rivalry: in order for us to develop technologically we must have competition. Soviets were developing their technology ONLY because they were in competition with the west so they would look "advanced". (China on the other hand didnt and they were degenerated as fuck until capitalism did its thing there)

>cont.

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They stillm do, but to suceed in the large or small scale, you have to actually work hard and contribute to society

Meritocracy and cooperation vs plutocracy and competition is the only real argument from a social standpoint

You people are fucking dumb! Better dead then red.. I'd shoot you all

You should be ass raped by democracy

Thats marxism, not communism. also you're mixing up socialism with democratic socialism. dont think of it as a philosophy and regard it as a societal system.

You are a faggot

You should be shot on sight you cunt

There are two reasons why communism will always fail.
1. No personal reward for motivation results in a competition to see who can get away with doing the least.
2. It requires absolute power to administer. You know the rest of this one.

With what? A Russian or Chinese-made weapon?

It's garbage, capitalism won this contest a long time ago.

Fuck the left side bunch of pussy 20 year olds who think Karl was the greatest ... Dopey faggots

It's all fucking oligarchical collectivism. No fundamental difference.

With some good ole American steel you commie cunt!!

Meh, keep thinking that.

Realism vs optimism

yes sonny there is a difference

Awwwwww pussy got Butthurt.. Fuck off red scum

>butthurt
Look at how you're responding vs how I am.

Other than the fact that it's killed hundreds of millions of people, ruined basically every country it's touched, and is fundamentally flawed, it's almost decent.

> despite how much we promote capitalism.
that doesn't happen

Capitalism is better than communism. Capitalism is responsible for the computer you use to spread your idiotic opinions. It's also responsible for the full shelves filled with a variety of different brands in your stores at good prices. Even that is more than enough to prove you wrong.

You faggots are fucking sad..

I hate it.

Hate facism even more.

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Your memes are shit and you're retarded. I'm not even that user, inspect me you stupid faggot.

Who cares your opinion is not important welcome to communism you tool box

Real communism can survive only if the whole world is communist.

In the last phase when all people are equal and there are no more countries in the world: if you look at it realistically people will NEVER be equal. Not because of the system but because there will always be one guy who will make a small gang for himself of which he will be the leader and the gang will abuse the system in such way that they will have more stuff than the other. And if not materialistically, then there will always be a few racists who will group up and discriminate (remember in communism there is no police or military!) Or there will be a group of sexists who will elaborate the system in such way that a woman will have to listen to them.

Communism will never work because of the nature of human beings and because of many reason like economy, religion, different ethical beliefes etc etc.

Id love to have a system in this world that would actually work. But communism isnt the answer

Fun fact, communism had tangible goods too

The point is asking wheather or not we have to compete for everything

Its a question of whether society should be collective or individual.
Read a book, jesus.

And you think yours is?

This!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahaha

Ill just wait until the capitalism destroys itself with the job automatization and hope for the best

Lame

>pretty much every Russian army officer deserved to be purged, resulting in horrific casualties in the poor foot soldiers, whom communism is supposed to champion
Yeah, nah, Stalin was a cunt, even fucking Trotsky would have done better

Well you just abused.. Your memes are shit kill yourself you commie faggot

if humans were robots communism would be perfect

humans are shit, therefore communism is shit

Exactly what I'm saying. The jobs will continue to automate, while the people continue to populate. It will become inevitable.

Starts out strong! But ends up ipotent in despair blaming everyone but themselves. Latest example : venezuela

Transformed Russia from a frozen over swamp shithole into the first nation to send a man to space in under 100 years. What's not to like?

People say it's shit because the working class didn't have all that much, but being objective, the working class at the start of the US were literally in chains.

Thats exactly wrong.

Communism needs a new influx of ideas to truly evolve.

Its a lot like the barter system.
Before globalization, advancements were a slow, domestic build up. Trade with outher groups and their ideas skyrocketed both cultures perspectives and solutions to similar problems.

Trade via camel was hard as fuck, but we did it because we wanted to suceed

If communism were to work, half of the world would have to be communist, and half would have to be capitalist.

Open borders and free trade

Some people like anarchy, so give them anarchy. Some people don't, so let them escape it.
You have to remember, you see a capitalist world from the viewpoint provided by capitalism,

More like collective vs cooperative or force vs choice.

>be me
>living in Venezuela
>under socialism
>my meal today was a bread from 2 days ago and water
>at least I have free Internet

Communism is the ideal, but we should keep in mind that socialism is a necessary stepping stone on the path. You can't go to communism overnight, it takes years of development.

Also defenders of capitalism in this thread are brainwashed sheep who grew up during the cold war and listen to cold war era propaganda. The Soviet Union wasn't communism, it was a very specific subtype of socialism. Dipshits.

>says synonyms.
>doesn't actually understand the topic

No mate. In the end communism is the marxist definition of it. And democratic socialism is a made up thing so that people who live in capitalism feel like they are not going towards what yugoslavia and some eastern states had as their systems. Because those systems are evil in many capitalist eyes.

Also you cant disagree that people in all ex socialist/communist countries wanted a western system after the east collapsed. (I know that werent ideal interpretations of such system but I believe that even today if we went for it the story would have been similar)

People in other latin american countries are dying from lack of food and water, so be lucky your government protects you from American multinational corporations who steal your resources.

Communism in the marxist model is a-ok, but fuck literally everything about the soviet union and the tinpot dictatorships that fly the banner of communism. Its the horseshoe theory in action; the extreme and violent left wing, given total sovereign power, will become just as bad and totalitarian as the extreme right wing. The volume and scale of human death and misery under stalin forever ruined the image of communism, anyone who supports the USSR as a good example is a totalitarian fuck wit.

Fantasy world bullshit.

Faggot commies, your arguments never change.
>Point out an example of Communism
>"hurr no that's not real Communism"
You'd think people would have learned from the past

Actually the majority of soviet citizens wanted to maintain communism. Gorbachev dismantled it regardless

fuck that shit

I want a decent meal

What did communism invent? it had enough trouble being able to provide food and lights, never mind advancing technologies. You didn't refute anything, at best you said communism is as good as capitalism. And of course you have to compete for everything, we're approaching 8 billion people. Without competition there's no need for people to go and do anything. And I can't wait to read a book, thanks to capitalism. I'm still waiting for you to counter my arguments, but you're clearly a braindead liberal retard, so I'm not expecting much.

Not the same. One uses force and the other allows for choice.

Then don't live in a third world country.
sorry, thats the reality of a capitalist world.

>Living in 1500 England
>POINT OUT REAL WORLD EXAMPLE OF LIBERAL REPUBLICAN CAPITALISM, DURR HURR IT'S IMPOSSIBLE
Feudalism is 10/10 the King just wants to protect us. He is the voice of god on this planet.

First man in space.

Google it, you really dont know what it was like in the soviet union.

you stupid nigger, the USSR developed the technology for human space travel. Have you not heard of Yuri Gagarin? The first man in space?

Dude. Ask yourself: who wants communism? .... people living under capitalism. There is no way communist and capitalist countries would work togather because sooner or later communist countries would stagnate. Also as i said communism is aiming to make a world with no countries or borders! So having capitalist countries is a no no.

Also im not a liberal, im a communist. very different thing.

>implying that's my fault if a retard president still thinking communism works in 2016

Communism huh?
Let me tell you a story Sup Forums abaut why it will never work

A teacher once said to his class :"kids we're Gonda learn abaut commonism But to better understand it we will have a few rules first. There will be three test in the next three weeks But I will not give you individual grades for it. I will summarize the class and everyone will have the same grades.
The first test had a lot of good grades the children were studiing there was only a few lazy students so the when they summarized the class got an B+. The second however was only C beacuse those who did not learn for the first time taught that the others will learn anyway.
The third test was a D-. The smart kids didn't learn anything, beacuse why should they if the others will have the same grades and them.
Communism wasn't working in the past, isn't working now and it will never ever work.

>high quality of life
are you fucked?

Wow, well put soci douche...... Thank god for father time to change what was then.

People that like the idea of economic equality and a good standardized reasonably high quality of life for all areas communism reaches.

What i want is the cold war without violence.

wow, that's really good argument. It's not like the US did it 100X better

I'm not googling anything for your dumb ass. The soviet union and many other communist governments were shit for most people.

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would you be starving to death in a mud hut if it were capitalism

>pro tip: dont miss the point

>im a communist.
that explains why you were especially stupid and ill-informed.

Wow, communism is definitely better than capitalism. You changed my mind with that crazy fact bro.

The soviet union in the mid 70's had a higher quality of life than something like 60% of americans

this

If they let me drive with hella illegal shit then im down with it

I have friends from those parts of europe and they say its a made up propaganda from lefties and that communism is supported only by those, mostly older people who want to have an organised country again (live under strict rules). The majority saw communism as a system of opression.

Just another user... I just wonder... what else except HAHARIN thing?

>without violence.
where was the violence?

Is that what you were taught in public school?

I don't know what it is that you're trying to say. Is technological advancement not the ideal?

It sounds nice.
Kind of, not really. I have an urge to better myself.
I spoke to a communist once and they told me true communism doesn exist and it can be seen in Native American tribes.
And I just realized that not even they were true communists because they also had hierarchies like chiefs and shit.

And then............ What is the remainder of your power point presentation of the economic status of the USSR from 1970s forward?