So Sup Forums,
I want to write a sci-fi novel, but over this and many other threads, I want to enlist Sup Forums to write the story. All credit will go to this board. I want some middle plot ideas. The gist is super future time on earth where humanity has evolved super intelligence, but other mammals have also developed clearly higher levels of intelligence as well.
Give me what you got.
So far:
1. No moral winner: humans are not greater morally.
The year is XXXX, humanity is coexisting with the superintelligent humanoid animals, however, and a crime fighting karate cop called Striker Protagonist keeps the bad guys at bay, however, when a gang of rebellious humanoid animals in 80's getup kidnap his soon to be wife, Miss McGuffin, he has to become a vigilante with really great hair, he is the only one who can stop them.
Animals would have evolved very slowly so it's not like, oops wegot some issues to deal with suddenly.
And what is happening in that pic?
then aliens cum and use super technology to give humans greater morality, humans do moral-like stuff, OP still a fag, humans win with morals and stuff
So would humans stop the evolution of a species if it were becoming sentient? Would we enact laws to stop them? Would we kill or imprison them as they evolved? Explain.
Don't know. My point is that we would have about amillion years to deal with it.
Then give me something. We currently have animal abuse laws. WTF would we do if animals said "hello"?
A girl is voicing her opinion. What else would it be?
Shoot em.
Is that an elephant's dick?
Oh i see it now
Sup Forums need some help.
Next dubs decides what species gains sentience.
This sounds reminiscent of David Brin's Uplift series. Instead of waiting for animals to evolve, we scooted things along - we "uplifted" various animals to human levels of intellect - and in so doing, unknowingly signaled to various aliens that we were sufficiently advanced to be dealt with as peers.
It's a decent read.
Seriously, intelligent bears need to be a new threat to humanity.
How's about: a previously unknown mechanism for species evolution is discovered, but only because we stepped in it. Cascading climate changes, melting polar ice, trapped ancient viruses, whatever - the mechanism can be whatever you can competently write about in hard tech detail (or cop out and write vaguely like horoscopes, so that it still kinda maybe could be true even if you are full of ten tons of faggot-shit).
Anyway, this new cascade of evolution occurs, and it splashes on everything. Everything from dog to bird to bear to octopus is getting new wings, feathers, scales, claws, adaptations up the wazoo - including some who get smarts.
Give it a couple of centuries to even out, and you introduce the new players: several species of human-like intelligence, humanity split into several schisms (maybe the new super smart albinos don't get along with the dumber, stronger, snakeskin-covered nignogs, or what have you. It's all just metaphors to existing racial tensions, so you don't even have to work very hard here.)
Now, you just need an existential threat - aliens? Intelligent cloud of parasites? Unintelligent cloud of plague? Approaching asteroid? Spin the wheel of doom, and get ready for the hallmark moment: All these wonderfully diverse creatures are going to have to get past their differences, join hands, and sing Kumbaya if they want to survive at all!
I just wept myself.
If you look at the chances of alien sentience. The chances of us making contact withing the speed of light constant, we likely will never know about each other.
That is assuming we know the correct values to assign to Drake's equation. And the most recent guesses put you squarely on the short bus.
It's way more likely - damned near certain, in fact - that we just haven't looked closely enough. Until we learn more stuff and figure out better variables, and then maybe I get to sit on the short bus or maybe I don't - but that's where things are right now.
Very high chances. Like, ridiculously high. Seriously, google that shit.
Aliens are out.
Think about this... We have solved the climate crisis. Other species benefit too. Maybe every species is destined to evolve bigger brains due to survival. We were just the first.
Humans discover ways to crank up animal brain development - not as some sort of modification to the species, but as something they do to one fetus at a time. And, it's not done because we want talking cats: rather, we need their brains to be complex enough to interface with the new whiz-bang gismo implants. Specifically, implants that allow them to be controlled as workers / slaves / etc.
Thus enters a new dawn, a golden era of human luxury, heaved upon the backs of our lower cousins. Primates, canine, porcine, feline, and bovine alike find themselves augmented into symbiotic cyborg slavery hell.
But wait, some of those clever rascals have figured out how to hack the system; who would have thought that those damned augmented raccoons would be so good at lateral thinking?!?
I just had a dream that after the universe dies bc it's a tiny little insignificant universe there would be a greater, more advanced universe that's less shitty and the dominant beings at that time created tech to come back to our universe to destroy it to expedite the creation of their universe and theoretically advance themselves farther but when the beings went back to the time they came from they found modern day humans and were like ufos and they were abducting/probing humans because they couldn't believe what faggots they turned themselves into lol
What benefit would we have from "cranking up" animal brains?
OK, so... the long, slow, inevitable kind of evolution. Easy-peasy: think meta. If you think you are thinking meta, you aren't yet.
We tend to think of evolution from the cellular level up. But systems evolve, too: like flowering plants and the insects that pollinate them, co-evolving methods and mechanisms for recognizing and attracting one another.
Abstract that upward a few orders of magnitude, and you can insinuate a complex, systemic pattern of a biosphere evolving as a whole unit. And, after centuries of wanton recklessness, the inevitable result of this organic computation is that the only way to adapt to the ravages of humanity, is to destroy it.
And, there's the rub: once we are smart enough to understand why everything seems to get more and more deadly but only for us (peanut allergies --> something worse that affects more people; insects developing poisons that are crazy lethal, but only to humans; etc.)
... once we figure out what is going on, and run the numbers, we fade to black with the realization that - it's a slow but inevitable process, and far too advanced to be reversed.
Stay with the plot. Animals evolve sentience.
The answer is literally right there, in the second sentence of the post you are responding to.
In order for the brains to be complex enough to support some fancy new control implants that make them into slaves. You want to be able to command "go pick up that garbage" instead of "move left leg forward 3 inches... put foot down... shift weight forward... " etc.
I like where you are going with this. It is the symbiotic evolution that has to be explored. We cant kill them off because they somehow work with us to our benefit.... but how?
LOL, humans are the existential threat. The badgers and llamas team up to eradicate the great hairless apes (us) - ushering in a new dawn of YIFF IN HELL, FURFAGS!!!
It's not a "them" so much as the gestalt, this entire interdependent system. No one "thing" is the threat - it's the entire system working against us, as it has been developing and adapting to do, for perhaps thousands of years - only all that adaptation is just finally starting to pay off in dramatically improved efficiencies.
Staple crops and foodstuffs everywhere have begun to "leak" genetic information - cross pollination of the new super-allergens is running rampant. Hybrid ant, bee, and wasp species all have stings and venoms that are insanely deadly to humans. The common cold now has a 60% mortality rate.
It's a perfect storm, the final product of thousands of years of development and adaptation to cure the infection that is... us.
This concept has the beauty of being able to be introduced in small pieces, so that the reader at first can't see the forest for the trees.
Each thing seems like just another new threat (which is how we would perceive it, frankly) - so, they've just come to terms with how Rice is the new Gluten, only more poisonous - and then, blammo - Africanized killer bees are punk ass little bitches compared to the new shit.
By focusing in on each threat individually for a while, you lay the foundation for an epic reveal. Just before the reader is desensitized (i.e. *eyeroll* ... "Seriously, another fucking species that wants to kill everyone? What is this, Australia?!?") -- you start to zoom out, and connect the dots.
If written well, you should pull off a goosebumps and sharp inhalation effect, as the grand pattern emerges from the chaos. The protagonist and the reader should experience this revelation together, and with the exact same measure of horror.
Are you writer enough to pull that off?
This is Sup Forums's story. This of how we deal with current threats. They are argued pro and con ad nauseum. We have laws against animal cruelty. Will that last? We tend to breed smarter animals only because they are smarter. The more they are like us, the more we favor them.
Plot twist: the ultimate result of all this mayhem is that humans have to choose to either leave the planet, or basically destroy it and build a new ecosystem that doesn't hate us.
We choose: to leave. And off to the stars we go, not as bold explorers, but as broken-hearted children cast out by mother Gaia.
And the ironic ending is: this is what always happens, it is what nature intended. The young birds must always be tossed from the nest if they are to take flight and soar the universe.
Cue dramatic music, pan to handsome hero staring off hopefully into the stars, fade to black.
So we take the coward retreat? Remember there is some sort of symbiotic relationship. Rule #2.
This isn't Sup Forums's story. This is you and me talking about shit, and one or two others casually weighing in from time to time. Mostly Sup Forums is ignoring you right now.
Anyway, you've answered my question: you aren't really writer enough to pull off an epic story. There are no goosebumps forthcoming.
Prove me wrong. Let's have a little taste. Give somebody one little goosebump.
This is Sup Forums's story. If you are the only one replying, then it will stall until there is more input in the middle plot.
You could call it cowardice, or you could call it morality. The choice is between (essentially) the destruction and recreation of the biosphere, or conceding defeat. The implication is that part of this codependent system has included the evolution of man with sufficient wisdom and moral compass to know that the only acceptable choice is departure.
That's the joke.
If it's not clear enough: people tend to look at the impact of humanity as being somehow outside of nature. It's natural for ants to build complex systems of tunnels with underground farms, etc. - but when we build roads and cities this is somehow a crime against nature.
What if, instead of actually being stack *against* us, all these challenges were ultimately the culmination of evolution *completing* us? The natural course of things being, that we advance far enough to survive on our own, and the nest becomes increasingly uncomfortable to ensure that we do (and make way for the next crop of evolving children, currently making their way up the food chain).
What is the real threat to anyone? All that has been proposed so far is that another mammalian species has gained sentience. Is there a threat against both or one?
Reading comprehension FTW,
See and .
The threat is: everything is evolving to kill us. Plants, bugs, animals - with allergens and venoms that are increasingly toxic to humans, but generally not to anything else.
It's like the entire planet is becoming human-unfriendly. And when we figure out, we realize it's already too late to stop the cascade effect without basically wiping out everything and starting over.
So then we have to choose: wipe out all life as we know it, and start over from base constituents and designer genomes? Or GTFO?
...And, the newly intelligent Meercat species we leave behind, the one that isn't allergic to the new rice or the special bees, those guys (known colloquially as "The Meek" because of their lovable demeanor) - well, they of course inherit the earth.
People engineer dogs to be smarter, so they can talk and clean up after themselves and stuff, but then the dogs want autonomy and have to fight the courts for rights.
Ooh yeah, and then later some human astronauts can accidentally go through a wormhole into the future, and the dogs have totally enslaved the humans and taken over! And the guys will think they are on some other planet, but then they see the statue of liberty and then yell about those damned dirty dogs!
...herpaderp!
If this was actually Sup Forums's story, the animals would be engineered to LOOK more like humans, not to THINK like them. They would be fuck toys.
The sentience would be an unanticipated by-product of the manipulation, and when people figured out that some of the fuck toys could actually think and be horrified at their sexual slavery - well, those would be the most highly sought-after fuck toys indeed.
This should be written from a goal-oriented perspective: you want to gradually guide the reader from relatively normal places, down into the absolute depths of depravity.
It's the frog in boiling water syndrome, only intentionally done. The reader goes in relatively well adjusted, and comes out a furfagging trannie wincest loving, gore-fapping Sup Forumstard.
Make it so, number one.