Can someone explain to me clearly and without the bullshit why they believe an outright ban on guns would be a good...

Can someone explain to me clearly and without the bullshit why they believe an outright ban on guns would be a good idea?

I don't want to argue the whole "They're dangerous for people to have user" because that's opening up the whole can of worms where I could just as easily rig explosives with shrapnel packs of BB's to rip apart a fair few people, or use other projectiles such as compound bows for harming people in rural areas.

I just want to know this, and if you've shot a gun before more than the typical "I shot a .22 at the range when I was 10" thing.

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there is no ban on guns at the moment and 50 people died. Why didn't anyone shoot the guy who killed 50 people? Why didn't 50 people who had the right to carry guns protect themselves?

That bomb is good for one use and will be effective over a fairly small range. And if you think you can kill nearly as many people with a bow as you can a gun in the same period, you've never shot either.

Fuck banning guns.

The cartoon that you posted actually hits the nail on the head.
It is not about availability, it is about demand.

Banning them will do nothing if people still want them. If they are wanted, they will be acquired.


The problem is that so many people want a gun.
Stop people from wanting to shoot each other and you will solve gun crime.


Same thing in our country, too. If you want one, you can get one. But through decades of education and having a rather reasonable populous in general, the demand for tools to kill with will never be present.

So, sort your shit out, United States. You can keep the guns, just do something about all the fucking idiots.

>shot a gun
Nope, never shot a gun, fired a couple tho.
166 mass shootings from 2000 to 2014, 133 of them in the USA. The problem is a combination of people having access to really high powered weapons everywhere and the culture of vengefulness and anger.
There's no solution, the USA has been degrading into a place where this is normal for years now.
I remember the dismay when it was reported a 2 year old got shot in the head in crossfire during a gun fight in LA. That was in 1992, it was all over before most of you were born.

You seriously think Aussies just 'don't want guns'?

Nope. Not an access issue. You could give guns away in some countries and have no change in gun related deaths.

The problem is not guns, it is your society.
Sort that out.

Those 50 people didn't have guns, because they were in a club. You are not allowed to conceal carry in a club.

It was a gun free zone dipshit

What the hell do Aussies have to do with it?
However, some might, but only a small (and often vocal) proportion. The population in general does not or there would be loads of illegally armed Aussies roaming the outback with shitty zipguns or other easily available illegal firearms.

Now imagine if whole USA was a "Gun free zone"

The current problem the US has with guns is the sheer amount of them and how easily a mentally unstable person can get their hands on one.
A ban would not be a good solution anymore. It would only spark massive black markets.

Imagine if there never were guns in the US, the situation would be quite different.

Do you not get that tgevpeople buying guns for $200-$1000 wouldn't be able to afford their inflated black market pricing? Okay fine, the extremely wealthy and certain organized crime syndicates sure. But the average dipshit shooter won't be shooting up anything if the gun he needs costs $35,000 or higher and black market involvement.

Weird that prior to 2000 we only had one or two mass shootings per year

Weird that mass shootings and media coverage of them seem to align with politician agenda

Weird that Hitler had trouble rising to power but by burning down the capital building he was able to scare the masses into thinking that a totalitarian state was the "safest" option

I can build a gun out of pipes, a $20 drill and some ammo, take away my machined ammo and I can still build a blunderbuss. I would, too.
Making them more expensive just makes them more dangerous in general.

Finally, a niggah with some fucking sense. My thoughts exactly.

People would be getting wounded much more often. The rate of gun crime goes down and other crime rises to compensate.

No, I could build a fairly effective weapon for far less than that.
But I don't need a gun, so I don't.


Just saying that it is an option that is pretty much ignored by most people, because they don't want or need one.


The point is that it is a mindset thing. America needs to sort out its society to stop the killings, not just ban guns.

>prior to 2000 we only had one or two mass shootings per year
Except that's not even remotely true

Policy should be evidence based. In Australia following a mass shooting of 35 people, tough gun control laws were brought in. You can still have firearms if you are a member of a sporting shooters association, or a farmer. But you can't have automatic or semi-automatic weapons.

Another side to it is that greater equality of societies correlates with lower rates of violent crime. Australia is a more equal society with universal healthcare, free education and a robust social security safety net. Care for the mentally ill is important.

Less marginalisation of minorities is a factor. Australia has a partially government funded broadcasting network called the Special Broadcasting Service which broadcasts TV and radio programs in many different languages. It's really only in small, backward communities where racism is commonplace.

How about simply because it works very well for the rest of the developed world that has done it. And no, I am not interested in your really badly manipulated statistics on your infographic made by the NRA. Guns make it a whole lot easier to kill people, accidentally on purpose, whatever. They are machines of death. That is literally what they are for. Killing.

Yeah. They're made for killing. They're made for killing people who want to take away your rights. Such as criminals, and politicians. And anti-gun advocates.
Our constitution isn't like the rest of the world. It doesn't grant rights, it recognizes the rights we grant ourselves, using our guns. Rights don't come from ink on paper, they come from blood and bullets.
You can't take our guns, because you can't take our rights, because we say you can't, with our guns.

jesus christ you are a moron

Not an automatic one. You aint building that.

I'm all for guns in a well regulated militia so that we can protect ourselves from our government. Thats all the consitution protects fyi

I didn't realise all those primary school kids at Sandy Hook, or the High School kids at Colombine were trying to take your rights away....

You also didn't realize that the top of someone else's car was a bad driver's intended destination.

People who think banning the guns won't help the shooting problem going down are litereally retarded.

I think the 2nd amendment is moot. Even if American gun owners did organise themselves into militia, they could not withstand the force of their own military which is under the control of the government.

The "we need our guns to protect ourselves from despotic government" argument doesn't hold water.

If the American people aren't yet convinced that their government is despotic, they do not deserve guns or any other "rights" beyond the rights of the child.

*cough* Bottle Opener *cough*

You are literally spewing shit out of your mouth

Or keyboard as it were.

Actually for someone with machining experience it wouldn't be hard. There are many simple designs that would be easy to copy. The Sten series look like trade school plumbing projects and were effective sub machine guns. The MAC 10 and 11 are also simple designs.

>amerifats defending MUH RITES MUH GUNS
>implying you need an assault rifle for defence
>mfw america is a melting pot of liberal pussies and autistic weaboo internet republicans who can't agree to set reasonable concealed carry laws for defence and ban sale of automatic rifles.

>being this fat

Look at Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, DC, CA. All liberal controlled for decades with strict gun laws and absolutely no decreases in gun violence because criminals don't follow laws, remember?

>being this mad

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>assault rifle
define
>sale of automatic rifles banned
It's actually not banned, but okay. Just the production of new machine guns is banned, even then not really.

>black people don't follow laws
FTFY

>Guns everywhere
>Literally in your face 24/7
>You have one, your dad has one, your 12-year old nephew has one and shoots it out back
>People in unsafe areas always carry a gun, because the other guys also have them
>a fight starts, someone gets pissed beyond control
>MY OH GEE I WONDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN

>11 000 murders later
>GUNS ARE FOR OUR SAFETY

Do you not know what an assault rifle is, no?

>>sale of automatic rifles banned. It's actually not banned, but okay.

Nigger where are you going with this.

Got a source on that statistic? Besides a bull's asshole?

>tfw a country of 320 million people with 280 million guns only has 11,000 deaths

There is no problem here, learn math you nigger.

How about you don't fucking ban guns, but you at least restrict them to a certain degree?
Why is it legal for a nine-year old to shoot fucking automatic weapons?
Why do people need military-grade weapons?
Go have a handgun for self defense, go have a shotgun for home defense, go have a bolt action hunting rifle.
But isn't that more than enough?

>Look how well everyone except criminals not having guns worked for the Florida NightClub in Orlando!
Faggots literally defending this.

In germany we had some right-wing terrorist group called "NSU" the last years, the reason why they werent able to do more harm than killing a couple of sandniggers was, because its not easy to get a gun in germany, whats so complicated to understand? They actually killed a policeofficer with his own gun in order to steal it, for that sole reason.
What i am trying to say here is :no guns or restricted distribution----> little possibility of acquiring one.
Whoever thinks you go to the dealer at the corner and get a gun watched too many action movies.
I see why people think illogically about things that became part of the identity, for example in germany we have no speedlimit on some highways, which is literally impossible to justify.
Its the same on a smaller scale, lower speed=less deaths in traffic, less guns available=less deaths by guns.
People tend to defend their culture, but its no real use arguing about these things if someone isnt even willing to accept simple logic or look at some stats.
The fact that someone thinks, theres nothing wrong with being able to acquire assaultrifles or semiautomatics easily, baffles me.
If you have a bad day in another 1st world country you maybe stab someone or beat someone up, in the US you can literally get an assoult rifle and do a massshooting

Lrn2grammar. The 2nd amendment protects the people's rights, not the militia's.

Stop it, buddy.
You are making way too much sense for people to listen.

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>it's simply too late
>we been giving anonset guns hand over fist 200 years
>cain't go back now.

Agreed. 0 point in someone being able to own a weapon that can hose an entire room of people down in seconds.

>shotguns+pistols = home defence
>pistols = concealed carry


Get your shit together yanks.

Matze, hör auf.

You clearly have no understanding of how the black market works. According to your logic, what happened in Paris was impossible since it's a gun free country.

>Sandy Hook
Fake.
>Columbine
They were taking away the kids basic human rights so it was a give in they would retaliate

Assault rifle is just a scary name that the liberals and media gives rifles to make them sound big and scary so they can push their anti-gun agenda.

Neither of your unproven points refutes mine though.

Seriously, all that ever happens is people refute points with evidence and you people go off on another misdirection

That completely depends on the buyers agenda, connections and the amount of capital he has.

That depends on the state, we can in MN just not if you are drinking. I doubt anyone in there had a concealed carry permit, most gays I know are firmly on the liberal no gun side.

Were you born this retarded or did something happen in your early life?

>impossible = unlikely
That's not what he said.
It's about statistics, not whether it's completely infeasible.
This is why there's some mass shooting every other weekend in America and something like Charlie Hebdo is a thing that happens once every 20 years.

I am ex army, in the UK, so I have shot a fair few weapons. The statistics are clear - fewer guns, fewer shootings. In the Uk we have very strict gun control, and no cases of toddlers killing themselves or their friends or parents. very few suicides, very few domestic murders, very few murders at all. very few killings during robberies or other crimes. no road rage shootings (althought he odd beating up) no mass shootings, thankfully, for decades. We might have one in the future, sure. a determined terrorist may do it. But that is always the case. We used to have bombings - IRA that sort of thing, but they were also rare. Determined bad guys will kill people - but you do not have to make it easy. You have flooded your country with army grade weapons - I do not know how you will ever get it clean again - it was a short sighted money grabbing opportunity combned with a short sighted Republican political move - promote fear adn distrust of the government. bad can of worms to open. but a gun ban is the only way you will ever get a civilised country back . American now is third world in terms of civil society, civil rights and health care - you guys need to do something.

word.

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I would normally say UK violent crime, but the common response is that they judge violent crime differently.
Australia had a similar increase in home invasions following their gun control laws.
I could find charts, but i'm lazy. It's not even really a question of how much crime, it's a matter of the quality of crime that your nation deals with. I'd just rather have more dead from guns and a government that lays off my dick, than beat up people and an overly oppressive government. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

i understand the difference between "impossible" and "more difficult to accomplish" is completely negligable when you are trying to make your point.
Is it possible for terrorists backed by a terrorist organisation in the middle of a war to bring assaultrifles to europe? - obviously
Is it possible for a right wing terroristgroup with strong connections to the underworld to acquire a handgun in europe? - obviously, but only after killing a german policeofficer, which clearly was not their targeted group of victims.
Is it possible for any random angry cunt to kill 50 people? only with excessive planning and months of organisation,bombbuilding etc

i agree

americans have the weird ideology that they automatically become rambo if they have a gun, and that it would have gone differently if they had a gun

the reality is no one needs an assault rifle >>but it's ma constitutional right to bear arms

this is were america has gone wrong for years

if you weren't a warmongering nation that made guns, assault rifles and other deadly shit you wouldn't be such a bad bunch of lads

but of-cause you need to make and sell weapons to make a living, so you'll never have peace, even if you turned on religion

so, you mean, completely ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence that in countries with gun restriction the amount of deaths, violent crimes and shootings are negligible in comparison to US? Well, if we're going to throw facts out of the window to be able to spout our opinions as truth, the reason why banning guns is a good idea is definitely because you are an illiterate moron.

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I love watching this guys vids because it reminds me how lucky I am to not have to live in the same country as these dumbass Americans.

Countries laws are only as strong as their weakest link. the EU with its open borders and US with each state having different laws allow people to get shit through the border. When the entire continent has banned weapons of war not just hunting/defence you just don't get massacres on anywhere near the same scale if at all. The last terrorist we had in Australia only had a shotgun and simply couldn't have ever killed 50 people.

I understand you guys want to keep your toys but you keep crying and praying for victims every time this shit happens then do absolutely nothing to fix it. Usually the smoke hasn't cleared the gun barrel before 'muricans are defending their guns.

your face when a country of 70 million people has two gun deaths a year. so multiply that up - if you have the maths skills - and get just about nine people per 320 million. That is the typical death rate for 320 million people in a civilised country. Your 11,000 deaths a year is a staggering figure, an uncivilised figure, a tragic and terrible figure. Your attitude to it is inhuman, and morally bankrupt. please shoot yourself with one of your stupid guns.

Florida has 2nd amendment rights, and concealed carry - that worked out well didn't it?

According to some ex-army cuck. OK, we third world now.

Don't leave the EU, faggot. Your country is a joke among the rest of the free world, Bin that Opinion.

Can't legally carry in a bar. Learn the local law before you make yourself look like a fool online.

Honestly I don't know anyone who wants an outright ban on guns. Even my most liberal friends just want them to be regulated more. I mean, you have to admit, it's pretty fucked up that a suspected terrorist was able to get those guns so easily.

Sandy hook was not a fake - you are either a troll or a conspiracy nut - either way, please kill yourself, preferably with your gun. Sandyhook was a real shooting - kids died. to make fun of it or deny it is less than human. it is base, it is unworthy, it is wrong. you are scum, and should be ashamed.

Severely punishing crimes committed with guns would do a lot. Courts are way, way too lenient on violent criminals. They need to be locked up and kept there. Add an additional 10 year sentence in addition to normal sentence for using a gun in commission of a felony. Problem solved. Just clear out all the non-violent weed inmates to make room. We're locking up the wrong ones!

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If it's a fun free zone how did he get one in? Was it a magic gun?

In NC you can legally carry in a bar out that serves alcohol, but you cannot be drinking. Learn to law faggot.

>regulated more
gee sounds a lot like infringement

no one ever talks about banning guns except people who don't want gun legislation when they're talking in opposition to gun legislation. We have toooooo many guns for anyone to reasonably take. Everyone feels it should be possible to own a gun.

Only extremists want to ban guns. Common sense gun laws are what Clinton is proposing. Bans on army rifles. Waiting periods for all purchases and background checks. No sales to felons, people flagged as risks.

IF THEY SAY "BAN GUNS," THEY ARE OUTSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MAINNSTREAM!

Precisely zero politicians have mentioned banning guns in America. Not happening. It is largely a right wing myth, aided by a few far left extremists. The same people who want to outlaw being a white male. It's a joke.

Common sense gun laws is what we are actually trying to discuss.

Or more like common sense. A fucking suspected terrorist was able to purchase firearms. Legally. With no problem. Common fucking sense dude.

same thing with any gun free zone, guns get in and more people die

Cuck? you calling me a cuck? Faggot? Our country could still nuke yours intothe stone age, but we are better civilised than that. Our country is the fifth largest economy int he world, with a fifth of your population and a twentieth of your land mass and natural resources. Our country is still in the forefront of human rights, science and technology, while your country is despised across the world as a human rights abuser, a warmonger, a theocratic imperialist insane asylum. I served in Afghanistan and saw your countrymen - some fine soldiers, but many so fucked up with jingism and with so little culture, so little appreciation that American does not mean right. Don't leave the USA, child, your country is a bad joke, a disgrace, in the rest of the world. Your country trades in war and death and disruption - it is no wonder that it is hated by most and despaired of by the rest.

Clinton is a nigger!!!!!

ok, so what you are saying is that we should be allowed to carry in bars, so we can have everyone there to shoot bad guys incase it happens again? Great idea - guns and alcohol, and paranoia.

club was "gun free"

tell me then, what is the solution to this, and one that doesn't infringe on the rights of citizens.

They can't fix stupid. That's a far bigger problem than their guns. As hard as disarming the US might seem it would be much easier than fixing their huge class, health, aggression and education problems. Just a couple days ago a guy escaped from a mental hospital here and was in a shopping mall threatening people with a knife. Cops rocked up and shot him. GG. In the US he probably could have got a gun and killed some people.

irst of all its fucking difficult to make a functioning bomb. there's a reason why terrorist groups use experts for this and not just anyone.

and maybe look at Australia, they banned guns because shooting. things are pretty solid now.

Gun control is too control people not violence. Mao Adolf and uncle Joe all took guns before mass genocide

>Imagine if there never were guns in the US
then we would still be the UK dumbass

sauce?

someone suspected by the fbi of being a criminal is running for president. can't make this up man

> Fucking American education system/culture and "literally"
Opinion discarded.

I'll take "what is a soft target for $500".

When you can have assault rifles legally right outside a "gun free zone" it's only going to keep out the law abiding citizens.

People won't attack gun conventions and trump rallies because theres 100 rambo's just waiting for the excuse. They attack schools, churches, clubs anywhere they can do the most damage.

The US's horrible health system and wage disparity means theres so many people out there broke or mentally Ill with nothing to lose then they get a facebook message from an Isis recruiter and get a reason to live.

nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/06/mass-shootings-arent-on-the-rise.html

Congratules

And things would probably be much better for you. Canada and Australia are still "UK" and have vastly better quality of life and happiness ratings.

Liberals are the real racists.