Continuation of the communism / anti-communism thread

Continuation of the communism / anti-communism thread

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Well, what do you mean then? lay it out for me.

youtube.com/watch?v=dcXNXKtu8z4

One of these days, one of these days...

Yeah, how about no?

>Everything you need to know about socialism

Yeah kids don't actually study it you need to stay ignorant

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>it's not my speshul snowflake socialism, so it's not real socialism!

>Politicians should control everything

That's state capitalism, my friend. It ain't socialism before the proletarian are in control.

nice strawman

I just pretend to be communist to piss off Sup Forums and it work every fucking time.

Reminder:
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Oh here we go with the no true scotsman... It is indeed socialism as the means of production are controlled on behalf of the people. How is that not socialism?

kek, I pretend to be anarcho-capitalist to piss off the commies!

>not knowing what no true scotmans is

so i missed the earlier thread, so this has amlost certainly already been said but: wont work until we can stamp out corruption, which will still be a long time. will be a successor to capitalism, but not for a long, long time. we need to stamp out corruption first, and you do that by making it a much more serious crime than it is currently considered

>wont work until we can stamp out corruption
I would say that it would never work then as there will always be corruption in any system.

I agree that if communism randomly broke out right now in america, it might not last that long. But I think you're overestimating the time it would take to accomplish communism.

No, my friend.

Meant this reply for:

you might be right, it is human nature, it comes down to greed. i think it will still be hundreds of years, and several big failures of capitalism, before we get there

So the state wasn't controlling the means of production on behalf of the people?

but y hope is that corruption becomes such a serious crime that peope are less likely to do it. first communism, then world govmnt. itll take thousand years, which is sad, but probable

Why would the rich and powerful class allow communism to come about?

works okay in vietnam, but i dont know much about their human rights. China obvs has bad human rights record, which is hte prob with their current system

armed revolution. not anytime soon

Something something vanguard

I'd expect everyone to be well read enough to catch the Orwell reference...

but it happened in 1917, took down the romanovs. they were in power for i dont know how many hundreds of years. so there is precedent

vanguard? insurance company? or armies human shield

Mass murder then?

yes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguardism

google is your friend.

>Billions of people die in capitalism due to lack of food or shelter. It's not capitalism fault.

>People die in communism (because humans never die) , it's some sort of war crime that is somehow communisms fault.

At least you're an honest commie. All about that mass murder and violence, eh? Gotta kill those eeeeevil rich people!

Communism isn't possible until a government has enough resources to support it, and non-greedy people to initiate and control it. This won't happen until the whole world unites in a single country. Which won't happen as long as people have extremely different opinions. Since people are being brainwashed to have their own 'special' identity, communism will probably never happen, and if it does it will be broken by a capitalistic country sooner or later. Most people are too self-centred to sacrifice themselves in order to help the society.

>>Billions of people die in capitalism
Citation needed.

you should probably use the correct word then, shouldnt you. fucking retard

change isnt peaceful. democracy had its revolutions, and you could call that mass murder too. history is written by the victors

>muh human nature

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_intellectualism

People do what they think is right, if you teach a child that being greedy and taking everything for yourself is right from day he is born, he will believe it.

This

I for one condemn the French revolution.

im on your side, but i think that greed is actual human nature. one of those things that helped us to survive

That's exactly what capitalism teaches.
>money and brands are very important (although abstract), do whatever you can to acquire those

why do you even argue
let's all just be equal.

except for the niggers ofc, they're not people.

ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I see that, but what I mean is that isn't true.

If I taught a human greed was good. He would be greedy

If I taught a child ethics and moral stances, and told him it was right, he would be ethical and moral to what he could be.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_intellectualism

An-cap kiddies need to actually know something about socialism if they want to make intelligent critiques.

So it's okay when you commit mass murder, but bad when your enemies commit mass murder?

This,
capitalism teaches people that being greedy is good.
And give people a situation where being greedy is how you get rich.

Thus you get greedy people.

Why dont you eat my ass?

i do hope that youre right. China has been (kinda) communist for a couple of generations. those rich china kids are worse than the rich american kids,

What's wrong with greed? Greed motivates people to better themselves and get more out of life.

Would you accept comunism under the following pretenses?

>Guaranteed to work, system will not collapse
>Guaranteed job, shit but easy
>Free health care, education, housing to say lower middle class standards
>You'll never go hungry but your pantry will be pretty much fill of only stuff available only in the 1960's
>You get a wife like pictured, it's counterrevolutionary for her not to put out or divorce you, if anything happens you get an 18 year old as a replacement.

Neither left nor right, Fascism is a third alternative!

Greed causes people to starve.

nope. didnt take a moral stance, just stating how the world works

This has to be one of the silliest and misleading things I've ever seen! Where's the mentions about the mass murder and gulags?

There would be a case if people actually knew what communism is.
Now it's just smoke and mirrors, with any criticism deflected as "that's not real communism" even though that specific flavor of communism was installed by a group of intellectuals who studied communism for quite a long time.
But of course a jobless twat with a gender studies degree knows communism better than economics and politicians.

>Guaranteed to work, system will not collapse
Impossible, communism always collapses.

>Guaranteed job, shit but easy
Why would I want to work a shit job?

>Free health care, education, housing to say lower middle class standards
Nothing is "free" you moron.

>You'll never go hungry but your pantry will be pretty much fill of only stuff available only in the 1960's
Ever seen the breadlines in communist nations?

>You get a wife like pictured, it's counterrevolutionary for her not to put out or divorce you, if anything happens you get an 18 year old as a replacement.
So no love? Typical lefty.

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What do mass murders and gulags have to do with government?

There are been many captalist societies with mass murders.

And there have been socialist societies with mass murders.

It's not the governments fault.

leaviing now to play with my kid. but lets talk abou this again. you guys are the smartest people on /b. sorry that's not saying much, but still, this was fun

People need to work to eat, what's wrong with that?

That's all true, but people are still being taught that getting rich is all that matters, and that will never change until capitalism breaks.
Greed motivates people to look for their own self interest instead of helping anyone else. Greedy people are egoistic and think they deserve more than others. Just because someone is greedy doesn't make them right to be.

>I support mass murder, but I'm not taking a moral stance

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Fucking Westerosians discussing about communism....

edgy

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Gulags only exist in communist nations, and communist nations were far FAR more violent with the mass murders than any capitalist nation ever.

This is what I mean.

Under "State Capitalism"

I find it amazing that in literally no other subject will you find complete novices walking into a classroom, declaring that the experts know nothing, and confidently making ridiculously false statements about the topic like a crazy person. This only happens when economically-privileged Western children are asked to question the underlying power structure of their society.

Communism ho!

>Greed motivates people to look for their own self interest instead of helping anyone else.
Agreed. What's wrong with that?

>Greedy people are egoistic and think they deserve more than others
Because they do deserve it, they work harder.

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Nothing, but there's also nothing wrong with helping those who have no resources to start working and are starving. That's like saying doctors shouldn't help the injured because shit just happens and they shouldn't have gotten injured in the first place. Humans are a social race which survives by helping each other.

ffs it's a for argument's sake...

You do know there were indeed food shortages in communist nations, right? Bread lines were a thing.

No one "deserves" any more than anyone else.

Everyone deserves the same thing, we are all equal humans.

Unless greed stops and people stop being lazy sacks of shit communism will have a chance of success.

of course that'll never happen because nobody is as dedicated and resourceful as a lazy slacker who absolutely does not want to work for his welfare checks.

implying greed is working hard... back to special ed, boy.

>criminals work harder by stealing from people
You're right, we should all become thieves because being greedy is the definition of good.

>communism didn't work out?
>call it state capitalism!
Easy peasy! Never take responsibility for the failures of one's ideology.

aye, famines suck

i'm no commie but this is the most naive thing i've read all day.

OP of the original thread here

What did I begin...

>Everyone deserves the same thing, we are all equal humans.
And this is the exact point where it all goes downhill.

>what is death sentence

>but there's also nothing wrong with helping those who have no resources to start working and are starving
There is something wrong with that if you're taking from others without consent to support the poor. That's theft.

>That's like saying doctors shouldn't help the injured because shit just happens and they shouldn't have gotten injured in the first place.
Doctors get paid, you know that, right?

>Humans are a social race which survives by helping each other.
You've never studied evolutionary psychology, have you? People are purely egoistic, they only work together when it benefits the individual.

Do we not?

So a NEET deserves the same outcome as a hardworking doctor?

There are clear historical reasons why the Russian Revolution ended in state capitalism rather than a transition to a socialist economy. After a period of attempting Soviet democracy, Lenin realized that a society of feudal serfs could not take command of their political and economic lives, so a period of state-run capitalism was needed for industrialization and to create the proletariat culture necessary for socialism. The historical reason why the USSR was state capitalist rather than socialist / "communist" is that you can't go directly from feudalism into socialism.

Where did I I mention thievery? Are you going on about that silly "all property is theft" nonsense?

Famines caused by statist policies.

How many people are on death row compared to how many millions were killed in communist nations?

>Billions of people die in communism due to lack of food or shelter. It's not communism fault.

fixed it for you bro

>famine happens in captalism, no one gives a fucking shit

>famine happens in the ussr, then it means communism = bad

What'd you fix? Exactly? I really don't see your point there.

Translated: "IT WASN'T MY REAL COMMUNISM!!1!!1!!!! THEREFORE IT WAS CAPITALISM!!1!!!!!!"
Grow up kid. Communism kills, communism fails.