Can someone teach me how to implicitly derive?

Can someone teach me how to implicitly derive?
Every time I think I get it I fuck it up,
Notes and online tutorials seem to always have super simple easy questions, any /math/ lads here?

Implicitly define
x*cos(y) + x*2*y = 1

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I can teach you how to derisively imply.

explain this agony

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Isn't it just cos(y) - sin(y)(dy/dx) + 2x(dy/dx) + 2y = 0? Then simplify

y is a function of x here, so yeah you need to use product rule and chain rule (or whatever you call them)

Just can't wrap my head around how to treat y,
Does it become dy/dx after?

Implicit differentiation is just an application of the chain rule, whereby x is not explicitly a function of (eg. if the expression were y=x^2 this would be explicit).

There are 2 steps to implicit differentiation:
1) Differentiate both sides with respect to x; if a y term is involved in a given term, multiply by dy/dx
2) Solve for dy/dx

In your case

x*cosy(y) + x*2y = 1
=> 1*cos(y) - x*sin(y)*(dy/dx) + (1)*2y + x*2*(dy/dx) = 0
=>(dy/dx)*(2x - x*sin(y))= - cos(y)
=> dy/dx = ( - cos(y)) / (2x - x*sin(y))

Hope it helped, OP

whoops I mean -xsin(y)(dy/dx)

This nigga knows his calculus.

I fully get

d/dx * [x * cos(y)]

u'v + v'u
u = x , u' = 1
v = cos(y), v' = -sin(y)

so: d/dx[x*cos(y)] = 1*cos(y) + x*sin(y)

But isn't there meant to be a dy/dx that you solve for in there or some shit?

divide the (cos(y) + xsin(y)) by xcos(y) to get the dy/dx on its own.

You might have fucked up, though. Check with this user's work

You know about differentiating functions of functions, yeah?
So d/dx of (2x + 1)^5 = 10(2x + 1)^4; we call 2x+1 g(x), and x^5 we call f(x), so what we have is f(g(x)). The derivative is then the product of (derivative of f with respect to g(x)) and (derivative of g with respect to x).

Just question about this section
>(1)*2y + x*2*(dy/dx)

So I'm assuming that is the u'v + v'u section
=> d/dx[ x^2y ]
=> [1*y] + [dy/dx * x^2]
=> y + dy/dx(x^2)

I just seem to be missing where the extra x is going in that x^2 section
OH SHIT
the original question was
x*cos(y) + x^2 * y = 1

accidentally *2 instead of ^2

If your still around /mathsbro/

Basically if you have a term in your expression given as g(x)*f(y), you use the chain rule and product rule to differentiate with respect to x:

g'(x)*f(y) + g(x)*f'(y)*(dy/dx)

Don't overcomplicate it. If you have a term consisting of a y function and x function, differentiate each separately using the product rule, and literally just multiply by (dy/dx) when you're differentiating in y. For example, with the x*cos(y) term:

f(x) = x
g(y) = cos(y)

f'(x)=1
g'(y) = -sin(y)

So deriving this term implicitly would give:

1*cos(y) - x*sin(y)*(dy/dx)

Sorry notation was kinda messy there; where I say f(x) = x and so forth, it's g(x) above, and vice versa for g(y) being written f(y) above

In this case we want to differentiate stuff like cos(y) with respect to x.
So, first differentiate y with respect to x to get simply dy/dx. Then differentiate cos(y) with respect to y to get -sin(y). Then multiply to get -sin(y)(dy/dx).

Could you check out pls

So, general rule of thumb, any time you implicitly differentiate (y) include a *dy/dx after?

As in,

d/dx[cos(y)] = -sin(y)*dy/dx ?

What about:

d/dx [y] = 0 * dy/dx ?
Or do you just flat replace the y with dy/dx, because if I were just to treat it as a constant it would always be zero right?

If it were that case wouldn't it be

d/dx [ x^2 * y ] = 2x*y + y*x^2 * dy/dx

Ye I think you've gotten the hang of it what you've got there is correct, and yeah if you have a y in any term, eg (x^2)*y and you're worried about the resulting term with (dy/dx) in it, you first differentiate with respect to y to get (x^2)*1 and then multiply by (dy/dx) to get (x^2)*(dy/dx).

Or if you're doing d/dx[ y^2 ]

is it 2y*(dy/dx)

Mang, I'm not grasping how to treat the original y during it, if I differentiated it with respect to x,
d/dx [y] = 0*(dy/dx)

I may be retarded, the rest of the course is ez, but for some reason this is skullfucking me

If you have a y, it becomes dy/dx

If you have y^2, it becomes 2y(dy/dx)

/mathsbro/ you're fucking amazing cheers for all the help

It helps to think of it like x, except deriving x results in a constant.
x becomes 1
x^2 becomes 2x(1)
x^3 beomes 3x^2(1)

Just replace the 1 with a dy/dx.

Don't worry about it man, have a good one

If I might piggyback off that,

d/dx [ cos(xy) ]
does this go to:
=> -sin(xy)(1*y + (dy/dx)*x) *(dy/dx)

here, I'm using chain rule with product rule inside the cos

I differentiated it, then multiplied the result with dy/dx

>Can someone teach me how to implicitly derive?
Well firstly, don't do as in your picture.
One should never Drink and Derive.

dy/dx * (-sin(xy) * x(dy/dx) * (y))

That is what I got, so you should be right.

Shoot, I messed up.

dy/dx * (-sin(xy) * x(dy/dx) + (y))

is the real answer.

Are you sure you multiply it all with dy/dx?
symlab gives me pic related


fuark these obscure rules fam