WHY DID AMERICA HAVE TO DESTABALIZE THE MIDDLE EAST? NOW WE HAVE MORE TERRORISM AND REFUGEES!

WHY DID AMERICA HAVE TO DESTABALIZE THE MIDDLE EAST? NOW WE HAVE MORE TERRORISM AND REFUGEES!

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Stopped reading there

Maybe you should not let them in. Have you tried that?

Please, the Middle East was already a shithole when we weren't doing anything.
The only reason you didn't see much activity over there before Desert Storm was because every other big country had actual shit to do.

If it wasn't us who destabilized them, it would have been Russia (and they played a big part too).

The current refugee crisis was caused exclusively by Germany and by the EU through association.
We properly handled all incursions into the Middle East through occupation and rebuilding. Just like we did to Japan and Korea, and Vietnam (but Congress pussied out halfway leading to Pol Pot)

>it's not my fault for even letting the rabid dogs out of cage
>it's your own fault for letting the rabid dogs enter your own yard

Pol Pot wasn't Vietnamese

Pol Pot in Cambodia was caused by us leaving Vietnam.
the Vietnam War didn't stay in Vietnam.

Is your yard surrounded by a 3 thousand mile wide moat?

don't blame us maple fag blame ur pretty boy PM

>through occupation and rebuilding

>what is afghanistan?
>what is Iraq?
>what is syria?
>what is yemen?
>what is Israel?

it made a bunch of oil barons and arms manufacturers rich(er), and they're the ones who pull the strings.

>why
They couldn't abide by left leaning secular governments that might not always listen to them developing. They've literally confirmed as much and in some cases explicitly said so.

Are you retarded?

>american logic

I don't see refugees from Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, or Israel.
I do see refugees from Syria, which is a place we did not have any publically known incursions into, because (the voters) Obama didn't want it.

>left leaning

Are you Cambodian?
I am.
Please tell me more about my parent's country, wise leaf. You fucking moron.

Ok burger great argument. See they can't help themselves.

It's perfectly sound logic. They can't fucking get in unless you let them in, your stupid yard analogy is in no way representative of real life.

Don't want them in? Don't let them in.

what i want to say, you guys don't understand what is containment area theory

like rabid dogs, when you keep them in cage, no matter how hard they are barking, they can't bite any person
but when you crush or broke that cage, they will unleash their wilderness and bit everyone on sight

I'm just curious how anyone could be so retarded to think Baathists were left leaning.

>Don't want them in? Don't let them in.

instead

>Don't want them in? Don't even let them out.

That's what I'm trying to point out. There was no refugee crisis back when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. That's because our soldiers are still there over a decade later, keeping the peace and training Iraq's military to not be garbage (harder than it sounds).

If you don't want refugees, you give them no reason to leave.

>WHY DID AMERICA HAVE TO DESTABALIZE THE MIDDLE EAST
originally, they did so to remove the soviet regime in afghanistan, in a great effort to geographically box in soviet ideologies and societies
now it's a mix of doing the same to russia and then trying to stabilize countries that they have previously rekt

We don't give a shit if they bite each other until every last one of them is dead.

But if western countries are afraid of them biting they shouldn't import those rabid dogs from across the ocean.

>Baathist
Must be nice to pretend that was the only political movement there. Or why you intervened in places like Iran or Egypt.

Why do we care if they go to their sandnigger neighbors and start killing each other there too? If anything that's positive.

>my parent's country
>are you Cambodian
>I am
LMAO

There were lots of Iraqi refugees back then too though.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_Iraq
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_refugees

It's more like caging a dog, stabbing it sticks and rattling its cage and then letting it loose. Imo

god damn, i hade enough with americans
you guys even more stupid than i thought

We didn't intervene in Egypt.

And were we talking about the refugee crises or shit from 60+ years ago that have absolutely nothing to do with it, like your Iran example?

>95% of them still live in the middle eat
Sounds like they're pretty happy with the Middle East.
Where's the crisis?

Quite the contrary. Apparently we're the only ones who understand these people are only capable of getting across a God damn ocean if you allow them to.

just like north korea, yes they made trouble but only very little trouble
other than that? no, they don't do nothing
slowly but yes, they are dying, but it's better for the world because in the end they are the one who will try to search the world's help

Why are Canadians so terrible at shitposting?

>the US was the first country to meddle in the middle east
>Cucknadianese history lessons

>2 millions of Iraqis refugees
>small

95% of which are not anyone who matters problem with the remaining 5% being a completely avoidable problem.

>have a war with a country that destroys their military
>expect there to be no refugees

peruANO

>all these Americans desperately trying to defend the actions of their shit government

Stop trying to defend it. You are not your government. It's perfectly fine to admit that your country has made mistakes and that they are not necessarily indicative of the people. As long as we can all recognize the shitty decisions that our government has made on our behalf and vow not to let them happen again.

you sound fucking retarded mate

>Syria goes to shit
>North Africans use it as an opportunity to move to first-world countries as "Syrians" in an effort to get money
>Trudeau brings migrants to Canada because it's current year
>"Fucking Americans"

Cave Leafem

I don't think you understand
We're not defending America, we're trying to tell Europe, 'It's your own goddamn fault', while disproving claims that the current refugee crisis had anything to do with us.
If there's anything America is good at after all these years, it's handling the aftermath of war. Apparently Europe still isn't.

>start more wars
.expect no refugees

read this thank you

let's not pretend that our (government's) intervention hasn't been among the most significant events in recent middle eastern history. such delusions help nobody.

and we're back at our original problem.

don't let them in and you don't have to deal with them at all

ez pz Indonesia

Things were relatively stable at the end of the war.
Britain owned the middle east prior and did a decent job establishing law and order. there were secular states.
You lads took over, started heeding the Saudis and all hell broke loose.

you fattie should stop when every intervention after iraq retreated from kuwait, done
just that..... nothing
what do you guys do the next

>FUCK IT LET CRUSH THEM MORE FOR DEMOCRACY YEEHAAWW

Borders =/= Yards

Borders have heavily armed guys with guns protecting them and are nowhere near as open as yards.

why do you care what happens in the middle east? why do you care about those
""""people""""?

you sound salty as fuck like some sandnigger fucked your wife or something

blame everyone else for your countries problems. take comfort

>and we're back at our original problem.

You sir just flip flopping the fact

It's amazing how no one ever mentions the Russian influence on the Middle East.
During the cold war, we did the exact same thing we did in the Middle East in every almost other country on the globe. And so did Russia.

It just so happens that the Middle East took it rather poorly.

Why are none of these other governments made to take responsibility for importing millions of illiterate brown fuck they were under no obligation to accept?

I'll take some responsibility for some of these refugees (even though the majority are economic migrants from countries that aren't even at war) maybe being a little slightly worse off than they were previously (not that I care.) But why the fuck would I take responsibility for western countries being dumb enough to import them?

It's a cuckold blames America for their government taking in refugees

not me you looped back around to were the conversation started

>i don't know about analogy

because............
today we have more terrorists
rapefugees
even aussie blame us for refugess too just because we are transit country and can only let them through

>Britain owned the middle east prior and did a decent job establishing law and order
Britain created the Saudi's, Israel, and caused the whole situation to go to shit in the first place.

>what do you guys do the next
Are you asking my opinion? Hopefully we slaughter every last Muslim on earth.

>"I don't know about analogy"
>Ad hominem

Not an argument, and your analogy is still wrong.

>more terrorists
good. it would hopefully wake up all those other nations to wipe the scum out afterall they're only showing their true selfs

>rapefugees
don't let them in and they won't rape your women

>even aussies blame us
right they should. youre letting them through to Australia.

Blame Tony Blair for that one dude, Bush didn't even know about Iraq until after 911,

Britain were the first to fund the Saudis

And you analogy is shit because yards aren't thousands of miles long and surrounded by oceans and armed guards.

If an airplane was required to get that rabid dog to your front door, an airplane that you paid for, then yes it's your fucking fault.

>Britain created the Saudi's, Israel, and caused the whole situation to go to shit in the first place.
Absolutely.
However, things were in hand until the torch was passed to you.

>However, things were in hand until the torch was passed to you.
The first Arab-Israeli war, the Suez Crises, the Iranian coup, all disagree.

From Syria to Egypt has always been a shithole of minor factions fighting, this isn't new...

If you really wanna get down to it, Britain and France are at fault for cutting up the Middle East into arbitrary segments instead of allowing for the creation of a United Arab Republic that would have high secularism and scientific output.

Secondly you have the Iranians who in the wake of 1979 ousted the government and replaced it with a fucking Ayatollah and created a massive Cold War in the Middle East with the Saudis and other Gulf countries.
Finally you have the US which ousted Saddam and created a power vacuum.

>he thinks spamming stefan molynjew shitposts makes him clever

>Secondly you have the Iranians who in the wake of 1979 ousted the government and replaced it with a fucking Ayatollah
to be fair, that was in response to american/british meddling

>Ad hominem

>canadians

>iranian revoltuion
literally retaliation because ameriga couped an iranian nationalist leader because he started nationalizing the oil

This isn't Sup Forums.

Such a shame what happened Iran.

>the fallacy fallacy

The Iraqis themselves have quite a bit of blame in thw power vacuum front.

Maybe if the Maliki government hadn't gone out of its way to oppress everyone who wasn't shiite it wouldn't have been so easy to fracture the country into three bits the second thinga got tough. Remember the Iraqi military essentially chose to abandom everything except Shiite areas.

This should have been expected though. Whenever one group of Muslims gets in power they will immediately, 100% of the time, start oppressing everyone who is a different type of Muslim or, God forbid, Christian. Literally the worst "people" on earth.

It was still their fault for causing the underlying problem in the Middle East that not many people are aware of.

Annddddd that's why we had SADDAM who actually kept law and order everywhere. But of course 9/11 happened and someone had to pay for it.

can you really blame them for wanting to depose the shah?

Do you not realize how ridiculous it is that we have to keep our expectations for Muslims so low that they can't even be trusted with anything other than genocidal dictators?

I refuse to hold them to the same standard as animals and literal children anymore. If they insist on acting like savages they should be treated like savages, lefft to their own to massacre each other and shot on sight when attempting to cross a border with the civilized world. Either they'll evolve or all end up dead, either way is fine.

how the fuck it was Russia?

>WHY DID AMERICA HAVE TO DESTABALIZE THE MIDDLE EAST?
BECAUSE YOU ARE DICK AND YOUR MOTHER IS A SLUT

Yeah you guys have nothing to do with Afghanistan or any of the kebabery in your old republics.

Oh Yemen too. You guys fucked that one up with tour commie puppet state as well.

>Vietnam
>Pol pot

We did try but the Americans got in anyway

Both you lads should be working together now not living 40 years in the past.

USSR? That was time of our unpaod off investments and communist gov creation attempts.
What did destabilized them, it is series of gov overthrowing wars, that created big mess, vacuum of power, that some crazy radicals fill.

greatest ally

>What did destabilized them, it is series of gov overthrowing wars, that created big mess, vacuum of power
Yes. Many of which you guys did and do have a hand in.

They said the conflict wouldn't spill over but they accidentally Cambodia

Tell that to the Muslims who have been slaughtering each other for 1400 years ans are truly the ones to blame for all this shit.

America should of gone full Genghis Khan mode in the middle east tbqhwy

It's not about Muslims you fucking coon. It's about the ethnic tensions. Iraq is a fake country. What don't you get about that.
Britain and France basically lumped a bunch of Arabs, Kurds other ethnic groups together with no distinctions made. Saddam held it together.

Because Europe divided it along artificial borders which solidified regional tension for years to come.

At least we're trying to make it better. Albeit in a misguided, and ineffectual manner.

>It's not about Muslims you fucking coon. It's about the ethnic tensions.
Aside from the Kurds the shiites and sunnis in Iraq are both ethnic arabs you fucktarded high school dropout.