Why do liberals not support brexit? Im a liberal, and thought it was a great idea

Why do liberals not support brexit? Im a liberal, and thought it was a great idea.

Same, I don't know why either.

Have a bump user

do you mean liberals in the british sense or liberals in the us sense or liberals in the dictionary sense

Because "liberals" only want freedom that's been pre-approved by them first.

Britain exiting the EU is obviously a liberating move but "liberals" just want to wine about how the only reason we did it is because it gives us an opportunity to be mean to brown people

making broad over-sweeping statements that apply to all people he doesnt know.

>kek

Because liberal and conservative mean nothing anymore.
Most people who call themselves liberals actually don;t really qualify as such in the classic sense...
Most people who are somewhat literate on the political climate generally use left/right authoritarian/libertarian as identifier, kinda more useful.
A classic liberal is a left leaning libertarian, which I think really does make up the majority of people.
The brexit is an issue that's been painted inaccurately.

Then use the term "Regresives" for those butthurt leftist idiots. Most people already do.

Also don't understand. Seems to me England wanted its sovereignty back. Seems ironic to me so many butt hurt Ameritards are upset by this when the US would never let other countries dictate its own policies.

Eat shit you conservative retard inbred. No one cares about your outdated family structure or cock guzziling son of a whore jesus.

both, i guess.

Thunderf00t really dissapointed me with his video on it...
It was a bunch negative things about the british government completely unrelated to brexit, than a patently false statement that leaving the EU would be insanely expensive.
I usually agree with thunderf00t, btu on this he was WAAAYYYYY off base, and during his debate with Sargon t-f00t came off as smug, condescending, and kinda rude when he had little to say....
Pretty disappointing.

I need more of this, Thanks.

...I'm taking the b8.

Using the term "Regressive" doesn't show your political leaning. You could be still a leftist while disagreeing with what the US far left says. Like with affirmative action. It's literally state sanctioned racism.

That's the joke, they all copy paste their opinions and even speech patterns from one location so yes, they are essentially the same person opinion wise.

These are the same people who don't ask ANY kind of questions. The television said so, so it must be true!
>Trump is a racist
>why is he racist?
>mumble mumble mumble DEFAULT PROGRAMMING KICKING IN He just is!

This.
I hadn't talked to sister in a year or two, and she called me.
She made a remark about trump, so I asked what her problem was.
She said he's racist.
I said but he said he's never actually said anything racist.
She said but a wall?!
and I said, you know walls work really well for keeping people out.
She said but muslim immigration!
I said but 100% of terrorists are muslims, and the core of islam, the majority, hold values that are contrary to ours, we don;t NEED to take in immigrants.
She said but I know a nice muslim
and I said I know a nice pitbull, doesnt change the fact that 80% of dog attacks are committed by pitbulls.

It was like she was reading a buzzword list off of tumblr...
The general public are just a bunch of prime-time news parrots. It's fucking disgusting, the lack of thought they put into their "opinions"

>implying conaervatives arent like that either

Agreed, all christian vermin and muslim scum must die

He hasn't said anything racist, although he is blatantly xenophobic. And fear of other cultures goes hand in hand with racism. This is coming from Australia, where we have people like Pauline Hanson, who nobody takes seriously, yet says more or less the same thing as Trump. It never ceases to amaze me how you think such an insepid simpleton could effectively run a country.

Xenophobic?
The primary goal of every government should be the safety and security of their OWN people.
If caring more about your mother than a complete stranger on the other side of the world who disagrees with you on everything and thinks you should be beheaded for disagreeing with them, then xenophobia should be a virtue.

>admits being liberal
>admits supporting brexit
Why do you try to make yourself look stupid so hard?

100% of terrorists aren't Muslim tho? Might I remind you that during the latter part of the 20th century most terrorism was carried out by German non-religious groups, environmental extremist groups and the IRA. None of the 'Terrorist' groups (save maybe Al Quaeda and a number of the older branch groups) practice Islamic warfare, therefore by the Qu'ran do not adhere to Islam. Also most of the values within Christian society and Islamic society are the same. International law states that the Free World nations should take in refugees. You are the one who's horribly misinformed.

French fag here. We are going to teach Brits the hard way. Bye bye access to market, visas to work, no more academic cooperation, bye bye Erasmus, norms that improve your life, bye bye Scotland.... You are going to be a little Englopoor shithole.

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>If caring more about your mother than a complete stranger on the other side of the world who disagrees with you on everything and thinks you should be beheaded for disagreeing with them, then xenophobia should be a virtue.

Being this uninformed and biting that hard into the scare campaign. Most refugees are civilians. As in upwards of 98% of refugees are seeking asylum due to necessity. If America were invaded/ bombed to shit/ drone attacks daily/ not a safe environment/ kept in a constant state of third world due to war disruption, and you had to escape otherwise you would be killed, or your mother would be raped or killed, I'm sure that you'd think differently. But, as Americans are kept so comfortable, I'm sure that you don't quite understand much further then what you hear on the news.

Mainly due to American military intervention at some point that has caused instability, a break down of natural order, tyranny or anarchy.

Hey look, some strawmen and buzzwords.

1. No one cares who did what 20 years ago. What's happening NOW matters.
2. The "terrorist" groups you mentioned before targeted companies/governements/sites, they didn't murder as many civilians as possible.
3. Islam is NOT the Qu'ran, it's the hadeeth + all other texts, which very strictly COMMAND the sort of terrorism they are carrying out.
4. No one wants to ban refugees completely, just economic migrants posing as refugees. Almsot none of the muslims leaving the middle east are erfugees, an example of a refugee from say, syria, would be a christian or a jew, you know, those people who are in danger for simply not being muslim.

Maybe stop watching the nightly news, and read something.

Hey look, some uninformed buzzshite.
kys. Serously, kys.

Britain just proved how retarded it is. They were playing on economic easy mode and now they've decided "fuck it, let's make it ten times harder for ourselves."

Congrats Brits, I never thought you were so stupid but even an Ausfag can be surprised it seems.

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Until you pussies surrender. Again.

Go suck a baguette, faguette.

The most important of all texts in Islam is the Qu'ran, hadith is only applicable if Qu'ranic law is lacking. All features of Islamic terrorism are strictly COMMANDED AGAINST in the Qu'ran. Howabout you give it a read, or, probably easier, speak to a Muslim (if you know any in your gated community)

In response to 4., it isn't only Christians and Jews being killed in the Middle East, its also Muslims from both Sunni and Shiite groups being targeted by various factions. For example, Hebzollah targetting Sunni Muslims in Lebanon.

Because borders, customs duties and restrictions in where you can move and work are *not* liberal.
The brexit is good for nobody and england will be fucking sorry beyond any expectation, I promise.

Their religious filth. Id be like takking in a shitton of weat virginian southerners. Their lives are no better then rats.

Because people that identify as liberals now are cucks.

Learn how to spell retard. What makes your life worth more, isn't America all about every man is created equal?

So you have no points?
Cool.
The majority of Muslims hold beliefs that directly conflict with western values.
Don't owe them shit, let them sit in their shithole.
Send over more japs, chinks, and packis. They assimilate, and contribute. The mudslimes can blow themselves up in their dessert.

Good thing you're already wrong, as the pound is right back where it was pre-leave, and the borders/customs/duties issue was solved a long time ago, not only in britain, but you know, in every other fucking country on the planet.
yusomadtho?

Ill break your spine you retarded little bitch. Being god loving filth makes them litteral vermin. Its not genocide, its pest control.

Yeah so serious question (on *my* Sup Forums?)

Anyway, so if the big issues facing the world in the 21st century are going to be global level shit (climate change, issues of globalization and human migration, etc.), shouldn't we be trying to organize ourselves into larger governing bodies to better coordinate solutions?

>God loving filth

Does this extend to every religious person ever?

My nigge

Youre fucking retarded if you think the uk leaving the eu was good for nobody. It was good for the uk and the us. Go suck on hillarys tits some more faggot.

May I just say, this thread sucks. Nobody is saying WHY leaving is good or bad, and you're all just calling each other whining faggots (which you all are) instead of actually making a relevant point.

The main issue here is that your country directly caused the shitstorm in the Middle East. All of the disruption and Islamic extremism against the West stems from Americas involvement in proxy wars, invasions, the setting up of despotic regimes and Oil Wars. You have a responsibility to fix it. America needs to realise that it can't just go around fucking shit up and not doing a single thing to fix things, because thats not how a supposed global leader should act. You need to accept the fact that you can do wrong and get on with it.

Because the American citizens are all sheep. They can't help it being controlled by media, but on the other hand are too lazy to create an own opinion. That's why they tend to follow after one with a strong and different opinion.

TRIPS OF TRUTH

Yes, really good...

ACTUALLY, the opposite is true.
Its a curve, not a line. So you start small, grow large, then split to accurately govern an area, grow, split, repeat.
Governments have done this throughout time, from kings breaking up the land into holds, then holds into lordships, and lordships into townships, to companies growing to a corporate office, and that office adding multiple offices over time for individual departments.

SO the optimum is, as more people go into an area, the governing force needs to split and specialise on individual areas, to more accurately represent their area. Brexit is a perfect example. It makes no sense for eastern and central Europeans to making decisions for an island separated from them. A trade group makes sense, but as it turns into a governing body, it's antithetical to individual freedom AND efficiency.

>implying currencies crashing isn't a good thing

stopped reading at caused.
Don't care, and no. The middle east has been fucked since the beginning of time.
The problems now don;t get to be ignored because history. Blame who's to blame, not avoid it out of PC horseshit.
If that's you line of logic, the real villain is neanderthal, because if they hadn't invented the spear, we'd have no conflict.
KYS.
FYI, i'm not american you fag. I'm a Palestinian apostate.

Because the UK will likely now lose Scotland, its economy relies heavily on trade to the EU single market, it means that it will now cost UK citizens to visit/ live in EU nations (isolating the UK from whats going on academically, socially and also resulting in more expensive holidays for UK citizens), UK is now not a part of the technology share/ advancement and has to rely on home industry and more expensive trade deals (in particular military hardware), not to mention the fact that in doing so it impacts the economies of Commonwealth nations that relied on the UK to gain an inside into EU trade deals and treaties, thereby affecting their economies as well.

Mostly because Brexit was such a toxic campaign on both sides.

There's plenty of left wingers who are against the EU, in fact there was a story of one such campaign being secretly funded by a member of the Tory party. But when you have people like Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Micheal Grove (seriously, no matter what side of the fence you're on -fuck- that little wormy shit of a man) it can cause some people to prefer the monster you know to the uncertain future.

Only abrahamic religions are filth. That and scientology.

I said the current shitstorm in the Middle East. Which was led to chaos by America. Learn your modern history fuckface, I think you'll find that most modern historians tend to disagree with you. (And those that don't are heavily disreputed in the academic community)

Saying Mexicans who illegally immigrate to the US are rapists is racist. Saying a group of people are like 'this' or 'that' because of their race is literal racism.

Personally, I don't think think saying something racist in a given context makes a person a racist in all things. But to say its not racism is fucking dumb.

Why user? Is your understanding shaped by American religion (which is always fucking weird and backwards) or the rest of the world, where religion is normal.

>wanting evonomies to fail
Ill be butchering your ass for puytting me into a preindustrial hellhole when society falls, you sister fucking redneck.

Mate I agree with you. I reckon hes a racist, but most of his public comments generally reflect xenophobia rather then racism. But yes, definitely, racist as all get out.

Religion should not be normal. Christianity, islam, and the jewish religion should all be erradicated and destroyed. Their good for nothing but holding us back in servatude to a egotitical cuntbreath god and keeping us in a perpetual dark agez

Difference is the US has the single largest economy in the world. Strongest military, etc.

It's super fucking powerful. it doesn't benefit much from joining a coalition when it can accomplish its goals on its own. On the other hand the UK does not have this benefit. It really gained a fair bit from the EU, and gave up some. Apparently they thought it was not worth it though.

You're scaring the children with all that edge, m80.

Yeah, thought so. That's just American religion mate. The rest of the world is quite different. Most of them focus on the core beliefs rather then holding people back in the dark ages, and completely disregard all that hellfire and brimstone stuff.

Ok, lets break down the pile of horseshit you just vomited out.
>Lose scottland
Scotland has had multiple referendums already, increasingly closer to leaving every time. If they left, it's something was coming anyway, and no one cares. That won;t affect Britain in any substantial way.
>cost UK citz to visit/live in EU nations
They're called visa's, they're already required. Do you forget other countries on earth already do this? It really won;t have much of an effect.
>trade deals
Britain is a market, corperations want that market, the only difference now is britain can make its OWN negotiations without being strong armed by weaker nations into sharing a peice.
>Academically
Nope, acedemics and sciences throughout europe largely operate outside of the EU already, and special visas already exist for students/scientists, nothing will change.
>Other nations rely on the uk's in to the EU
doesn;t sound like a problem for britain, so no fucks given.
Britain should take care of Britain. And no, I'm not a brit.

>strongest military
>loses regularly to farmers with AK's
kek

Ok, so you have no points then, as you just repeated yourself when I explained why what you said is meaningless.

Yes but the larger organization here was never truly governing, not at any real level. It was doing some things that requires massive cooperation, like setting regulatory safety guidelines and such. It wasn't setting your taxes or choosing how to run your schools.

Surely different responsibilities should be divided among different scales of governance? I think it's just the reasonable way to do things.

>What is Vatican
>What is Mecca
>What is Israel

That's where most of the radicals are.

American religion. Topkek.

While religion is used to justify terrible shit, its not like a lack of religion means terrible shit doesn't happen. It is just sometimes used as an excuse.

When some sand retards declared Jihad against 'murica, every muslim didn't drop what they were doing and take up arms. Because the religion wasn't do it. It was the sand retards.

Religion does a lot of good stuff. They build community, promote good values and their followers donate a lot of money and time to help the less fortunate. I don't believe in any of them, but I can't deny the evidence of my eyes.

ITT, a bunch of cool dudes are talking shit while one regressive faggot defends mudslimes and cries wolf about brexit.
Today is a good day.

>Brexit

>Great idea

>Pick one.

Thank you user that was much better

i like that pic

Ya, but they were MOVING into real governing.
There is some seriously fucked up shti going on in the EU atm, from forced immigration under the threat of fines to a forced surrender of military independence for the soon to be created EU military.
The EU is pushing for a European superstate, with some seriously fucked up priorities.

You don't need a visa as an EU citizen to visit/immigrate to an EU country mate, do you not know this?

I know you aren't a Brit, because you have no understanding of how trade deals work within the single market. Britain benefited hugely from having protected industries within the EU that are now not protected from foreign trade. Now British exporters have to compete with cheaper produce, driving the price of British goods down and therefore not making as much profit as they would've if they'd stayed in the EU.

>Lose to
Not really. US decides to go fight people, they wreck the living shit out of any organize force, then everybody gets tired of fighting for brown people in another country and we wrap it up.

Guerrilla tactics that rely on disguising yourself as a civilian is always going to work. Unless the fighting force isn't worried about civilian casualties.

Exhibit A: Japan. US stopped caring about civilian casualties. Was was over in weeks.

Their communitys and values sre old and outdated bullshit. I wont be content until every bible thumping retard or samd retard jihadist is suffocating in a gas chamber.

>we wrap it up
Yeah mate thats called losing. American casualties in the past modern conflicts statistically outnumber (higher percentage of casualties per capita) the NATO/ ANZUS forces fighting with you simply because you don't know how to fight a guerilla campaign. You lose very well. Civvy casualties is how you lose guerilla campaigns.

>Afghanistan, now Taliban controlled
>Vietnam, the Commies won
>Iraq, you pulled out after losing too many men

Tell me a war you won recently where your goals were actually achieved.

Fucking islamic apologist.
Go suck a mudslime cock, cuck faggot, you're the kind of failures the west see today who'd give up their daughter and their wife to a mudslime refugees at the first sign that they have "big trouble" down there.

Fuck your stupid apologetic and your shit logic, EVERY country in the WORLD in HISTORY has been fucked over by others, and has gotten on their feet by themselves.

NO COUNTRY OWES ANYTHING TO OTHERS, If you don't like getting fucked over? Then just get richer or stronger, other wise shut the fuck up and suck my cock.
Bitch ass leftist who thinks accepting millions of military aged males as "refugees" and give them free shit is a good thing. Yeah, just look at Rotterdam rape cases.

Isn't a superstate pretty okay if it's just handling shit like immigration and the military? Working together militarily is a great idea (as if any EU state could stand against something like Russia or China on its own is a joke). Migration is going to obviously be prioritized towards "everyone has a part to play" kind of thing. If country A would have received fuck ton of immigrants before, but now is spread between A and B, this represents less of a social and economic impact, because it's spread out over a larger area, yes?


Honestly what really gets me is how this is going to effect science. Many organizations that dealt with very large scale, expensive science projects are going to rework things now. That's a lot of stalled progress on very promising physics and biology.

If Hillary is elected, the US is completely fucked. Goodbye 1st amendment.

Because it is fucking retarded you inbred motherfucker.