I think the craziest thing about Brexit from an American point of view is that they got to vote on that kind of...

I think the craziest thing about Brexit from an American point of view is that they got to vote on that kind of decision.. I don't think we would ever get the opportunity here in the states

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We shouldn't have let the general public vote, it gives the stupid majority the chance to make a big decision.

Now all we gotta do is stop giving out benefits and let the gypsies, muslims and other scum either die off or turn into something useful.

That's a very undemocratic suggestion, what are you? Some fascist faggot? Or do you only believe in democracy when it supports your opinion? Wanker.

to get out of the UE? Nope i think we will never vote about that. I blame obama

Honestly I am not into democracy for this very reason, the importance and intricate details of such decisions are not properly understood by the general public, by my own standards I would only let economists vote on such a thing, which would even exclude myself.

Are you retarded? They're an economic union only loosely modeled after US federalism. The EU isn't a country. The differences between the union that is the US and the union that is the EU are so vast that you may as well call ASEAN or NAFTA members a single unified country if you're going to go that far.

Britain did this because they expect other members to follow. Doing it alone gets them no net benefit as many commentators have pointed out. The cost on non-membership is largely the same as the cost of membership. However, what if others leave? All of a sudden they are ahead of the trend and save more compared to membership. It's a gamble, but they don't really lose all that much for being wrong.

The US would never allow TX to have a vote on if it wanted to secede the union, for example.

>Democracy only works when it aligns with my libtard viewpoint

Do you even democracy?

It's this kind of bullshit that encouraged people to vote leave.

You're welcome to fuck off to the EU if you want.

The jokes on you, I don't agree with democracy at all, let the intelligent people do what they know how to do. See

We didn't need to vote, it wasn't something that had to happen. Cameron used it as a campaign strategy that ended up fucking him in the ass.

The Texas really wanted to leave the union it would leave. If Washington said no then I imagine they would happily take up arms.

That's why you Amerifags are such backwards pussies. You don't realize how much your libtards have cucked you. You lost your balls years ago. Your economy is in the shitter. You have fags and niggers and whateversexdujour running you now and telling you what to do you fucking cucks!

Your so fucking dumb that you're going to vote your banking industry SHillary into office. Yeah, vote a woman in who is a slave to the jew masters! You fucking cucks!

Pretty much this. Cameron and the EU dared us to leave thinking we wouldn't, we did and how they dont have a clue what to do.

You're not as stupid as they want you to think, also it's not only about economy in this case

They're the fucking spice girls faggot

Well in the EU there's no general election for 'president of the EU' so it's not really comparable.

We just get stuck with these bureaucratic red tape wielding shitheads if we like it or not.

The confederate states did vote, and thus they seceded. The Union said "fuck that shit" and forced them back.

For territories of states it's more formalized, the state legislature has to allow the referendum first (aka "yea fucking right, like we'll allow that") and then the popular vote is taken. Regardless, the point is that there absolutely exists both precedent and bureaucratic mechanisms for this shit.

That's easy to say, but you'd have to remember that the States would have to have let it get that way to begin with.

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Your libtard masses would make it a no contest anyway, thankfully we had just enough people who weren't kebab, faggots and niggers to carry the vote.

>Implying they don't want to
Yeah have you even listened to Cruze before the trail? Or any TX lawmaker for that matter?

They can't, because they know the US right next door would fuck them from all sides.

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And now we can turn the fuckers back around and send them back to France without quotas or any of the Human Rights Act bullshit.

We can also deny them ANY kind of healthcare and social welfare without them appealing to a court thousands of miles away.

EU = Ginger spice

I'm not stupid at all. Only my beliefs on the matter, I have my expertise, I hear other uninformed opinions all the time in my field and they are very clear to me, not to them. The same rules apply.

The fact is you can't have expert opinions on everything, and when it comes down to effecting the lives of billions, you need expert opinions. It's more likely that you are not as intelligent as you and those around you think. Not to be insulting, only you are more fallible than an expert.

>I would only let economists vote on such a thing
Really? You know why Harry Truman called for a one-handed economist, right?

We have sjw here..a migrant camp will spring up, people will campaign for them to be housed.

Like president you mean...

> South Carolina leaves USA from slavery issue.
> Southern states leave country because their state rights were violated.
> USA fought itself when people threatened to secede from the Union.

I'm sure you forgot about that.

>I'm not stupid at all.
>effecting the lives of billions
>effecting
>I'm not stupid at all
Partly right at best
>It's more likely that you are not as intelligent as you and those around you think. Not to be insulting, only you are more fallible than an expert.
Nope, now confirmed incorrect.

"On the one hand, this" and "On the other hand, that"

I'm not saying they are perfect, I'm saying they are better on average then the general public. Let's not take things out of proportion.

It would be great to see you guys try out a system that uses more than two parties, imagine!

>But land of the free!!!1!!1!!

Idgaf, sold all my $14,000 in Apple stocks anyway

Let the liberal fuckers campaign. They lost the General Election, they lost this vote and once we cut the cancerous Scots out we'll have a solid right wing majority while the likes of Merkel keep importing as much kebab as possible to 'enrich' them.

Muh spelling errors.

You must get laid a lot.

That's the point of vetos.

Precisely. They'd never decide. And they were so good at predicting the effect of us leaving the ERM. And of the 2008 crash.

You know it's not legally binding though right? It's a glorified opinion poll, there's no obligation for anyone in power to follow it.

You guys never had a referendum OP?
We've had three since the North Sea Empire of Cnut the Great. (yeah that's a thing)

It would be a vote, they would decide when the vote is cast... Obviously.

Again, not saying they are incapable of mistake, only less likely then those who haven't spent a large portion of their life in that field. Did you know a lot of plumbers that called the 2008 crash? Doubt it.

Somehow allowing for millions of migrants that have a belief that is asymmetric to your own would lead to civil war rather than assimilation.

No, your general lack of comprehension, your idiotic last sentence, your attitude of self-importance and your poor attempt at deflection.

Now do fuck off, there's a good chap

The niggers and spics would just skew it to suit them anyway. Just like SHillary.

>Did you know a lot of plumbers that called the 2008 crash? Doubt it.
Would I use a plumber who was as good as the economists were at predicting the crash to fix a leak? Doubt it.

>I think the craziest thing about Brexit from an American point of view is that they got to vote on that kind of decision.. I don't think we would ever get the opportunity here in the states

Well we wouldn't hand our sovereignty over to some other organization like the EU in the first place.

Although if the elite in society thought it would be profitable to push for some one world government bullshit then I could see them trying to vote on it; but as it stands it would require a constitutional amendment for us to join such an organization which would require a 2/3rds majority popular vote by the people as well as approval by congress and the senate (learn the constitution and Bill of Rights, you don't know what rights you're losing if you don't know what rights you have).

So we would at the very least have to have a vote on it in order to join something like the EU.

What's more extraordinary is that the Brits got a chance to repeal an existing relationship like this, which is something the elites can more easily suppress since they already got the British people's consent for their current status quo back in the 70s.

As I understand it there was enough public demand for a referendum that PM Cameron felt compelled to give them a vote and did so in a manner and at a time that he was confident would give his side (remain in the EU) victory and silence the opposition. His plan backfired magnificently and as a result he has resigned.

>Attitude of self importance
>There's a good chap
Alright Cameron, I know you're upset about everyone thinking you are a fuck up, and you are, but try to hold that pretentious anger in a bit alright?

Civil war implies they are our people. They aren't, they've made that abundantly clear.

This^
Everyone should shut up

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Yeah, because economists saw the 2008 crash. Fuck off you moron. There are no economic experts. It's all a fucking game to them

In this case you dont need any real expertise to know it wouldve gone to shit anyway, all the people that thought the pound would loose all its value panicked and actually made it happen themselves
On the other hand i think a lot of people would rather have an economic crisis than staying under brussels almighty rule for another year

So how does it feel to be the minority now?

That's what I've been saying... Let plumbers fix leaks and let economist make economic decisions. Did I lose you somewhere?

your, your, your. What a fucking word smith, did Hemingway write this sentence?

Pretty much nailed it.

Cameron campaigned for election on the promise of a referendum under then impression it'd be pretty much a no contest, that he'd win a good amount of concessions during his renegotiation and that his own party would support his view.

It all fucked up when pretty much none of that occured, most of his own party voters (and some MPs, including Boris Johnson, who is a big player) moved to Leave.

>You know it's not legally binding though right? It's a glorified opinion poll, there's no obligation for anyone in power to follow it.

>Hey, I've got an idea let's give the people a referendum, tell them its meaningful and then ignore them if we don't get our way.

That's a great way to start a riot and ensure that you'll lose your job in the next election.

If they willfully ignore a public mandate, it would be the death of the Conservatives and Labour and they'd watch themselves lose nearly all their seats to UKIP and usher in PM Farrage

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Good lord, and educated Yanky faggot!
Well done sir, a pleasure reading your correct post.

In general you view is correct, however economists like politics shares many diverse views on how to run the economy as seen by the major parties. Honestly, the best way to run the economy is that of the "invisible hand" rather than Keynes and his Ivory Tower sort of view thinking that a central planning authority can dispel the boom and bust which is surely to happen to all economies regardless of how long the cyclic environment is.

Anyone else worried about the price of tendies rising ?

Pretty much the UK's reaction when they discovered the EU were just a bunch of faggots.

Economists have no accountability which is why academics cant be allowed to run things exclusively. If there was an economist per state and if your state failed you and your family were raped and killed in the public square, maybe. The issue isnt that only academics can handle the complexity of the global economic system, its that it was made specifically as complex as it is to benefit the few with resources to participate and the training to understand it. We dont need the markets to be what they are, that was invented by bankers for bankers to skim money in every way possible.

Perfect storm really.

>Many feel EU threatened sovereignty
>Greece and the Euro currency issues
>Mass migration with no end/solution in sight
>Very few concessions from negotiations
>Remain campaigned fucking terribly
>Leave campaigned charismatically
>Many viewed Remain arguments from outsiders like Tusk and Obama as veiled threats
>Very high turnout of the 60+ vote, the core Leave group.

The thing is though market growth is all economists would consider, and that isn't necessarily all that is important.

"If you would trade liberty for security you will deserve neither and lose both" or something like that. It was clear that brexit would not be financially beneficial, but it has otehr benefits, but econmists would not weigh these the same as otehr might.

Tell me about Bane, I need to know.

>Many viewed Remain arguments from outsiders like Tusk and Obama as veiled threats

Yeah, as an American I was pissed at Obama for mouthing off on that. Its none of our fucking business and we shouldn't be meddling in your politics any more than you should be meddling in ours.

The point at which George Soros said you should stay in the EU was the point at which I started thinking you should leave.

Most of these kinds of decisions no one really knows what the best answer might actually be, but doing what is the will of the general population will help the country regardless. The strongest influence on an economy is faith and public perception.

It really did give Leave just the kind of ammunition it needed for the whole 'interference' argument, Obama fucked up.

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More like this, I'm posting them on Facebook to bait faggots

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Its typical of Obama, he's sufficiently arrogant that he thinks the whole world is in constant need of his opinion on everything.

We saw a very similar thing happen here when British politicians started badmouthing Trump and the common reaction wasn't 'Oh, I should listen to these foreign politician's informed opinion' it was 'Who do you foreign bastards think you are telling us what to do?'. If I were English, I'd imagine I'd have felt the same about Obama's opinion on Brexit.

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Just remember that when everyone tells you that you shouldn't vote for Trump.

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>people angry that the majority won fair and square and they now have to make decisions for themselves

You know, as an Amerifat, I really am sorry we formed NATO and tried to keep the soviets at bay back in the cold war. We really should have just let them go as far west as they wanted.

You would have really loved being in the Soviet Bloc. All your decisions would be made for you by someone in a foreign country and if people wanted to leave, they didn't get a referendum, they got MILITARY INTERVENTION.

Also, by that note, we probably also should have let Hitler annex most of Europe since the thing you want is total lack of choice.

As much as I hate cuck now that wannabe cooltards on Sup Forums have run an already shitty word into the ground, but you guys really do want to be completely dominated. Jeez man. I earnestly pity you.

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as if trump could negotiate his way out of a paperbag.

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yeah, for any of our politician's to slag off trump is really stupid diplomatically given his potential to be the next president.

I'm really suprised Brexit went through though, given how much the estblishment wanted for us to remain we actually managed to have a population that ignored them.

I'm impressed with that.

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That was pretty much the reaction.

When the Leave campaign was essentially based on eliminating foreign interference to have the American president offer the kind of 'back of the queue' bullshit opinion nobody asked for it just proved their point.

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oh and France overtook the UK as the bigger economy. How do you feel about that, britfags?

I'm not a fan of Trump (Rand Paul was my candidate) and at this point I'd definitely prefer Gary Johnson.

But Hillary is corrupt establishment filth owned by the banking industry (pic related) and I can't think of an American politician I trust less.

If the election is close between Trump and Hillary in the fall I'll vote for Trump, even if I do think he's kind of an idiot.

Feel just fine, France are next in line to get out of Europe, same thing will happen to their economy when they do.

Get off your high horse retard.

yeah, let's not let people vote on their own fate

FASCIST CUNT

democracy speaks

enjoy your diminished status in the world. the rest of the eu is like, "don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out." buh-bye!