2005 Germany

2005 Germany
>shit economy
>high unemployment

2005 Spain
>tons of construction and jobs
>best place to live in europe

2016 Germany
>rich
>low unemployment

2016 Spain
>50% unemployment
>third world economy

When did it all go wrong for Spain?

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Spain is still one of the best places in Europe to live in.

this is pretty obvious bait but ill bite anyway

>50% unemployment
18% and a lot of that 18% actually work but dont register to avoid taxes and burocracy (me included)
>third world economy
by the cold war definition we are first world
by the modern definition we are first world

mother Spain will rise!

We didn't have a shit economy back in '05
On the other hand we got a million unemployed (and, most importantly, unemployable) "people" in 2015

Still unemployment though.

our problem is that our government loves old people and thinks young people will do "just fine" without any help
we still have decent average wealth but thats because of the people over 40
young people here are fucked when it comes to job opportunities, its depressing

reported to the Servicio de Vigilancia Aduanera

Yeah, it's predicted that 90% of the old people will die in these 20y.

Yeah but nice youth unemployment tho

newleftreview.org/II/69/isidro-lopez-emmanuel-rodriguez-the-spanish-model

>3rd
dafuq

Euro happened.

Spanish banks borrowed billions of euros from french and germ banks so it fueled the real estate bubble bringing millions of immigrants and thus feeding the bubble with more demand for homes. Then Lehman Brothers happened and the spanish real estate bubble exploted destroying everything like a seaqueake.

>tons of construction and jobs

lel no wonder the housebubble popped

i ´ve started my own software developing company , I think that Spain will be better again only wait 4 years moreless

Are girls in Spain qt? Are they thicc?

>Are girls in Spain qt? Are they thicc?
why are anglos obsessed with spanish girls?

Anglo girls prefer blacks and latinos so they developed a sandfever.

>latinos
you mean mexicans, we dont look like that

Pretty much this.
washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/17/the-euro-is-a-disaster-even-for-the-countries-that-do-everything-right/?utm_term=.53d04df03928
The narrative is that those "irresponsible" Southern Euro's are lazy and stupid and need more Teutonic Ordnung and then they'd get everything together, but that's the pro-Euro narrative. Reality shows that not only the countries that do everything right still get shit, but on top of that going bankrupt is literally better for a country than being in the eurozone (compare Finland and Iceland). I'm pretty certain the big reason the British economy surpassed that of France (until Brexit happened) is because the British are in the privileged position of having their own fucking currency they can control according to THEIR needs, not the needs of Berlin.

The reason Merkel was practically hyperventilating when Grexit was still a possibility is because Greece defaulting would mean she'd no longer be able to use Greece's crumbling economy to artificially deflate the Euro's value and boost German exports.

Also, look at Spain in 2005. Look at how the Peseta was worth almost nothing compared to the Deutschmark. That's how the Spanish economy worked: if shit goes bad, we devaluate, export more and everything is alright. Now that Spain de facto uses the Deutschmark, everything crumbled. Practically overnight all of their devaluation policies were turned around.

And Spanish politicians will still pretend the euro is anything other than the voluntary subjugation of formerly free nations to Germany. Even Franco was smart enough to stay out of WW2.

The Netherlands has been successful since it was founded many centuries ago, including us being the richest per capita for several centuries. Surely we'll soon turn to shit.

unemployment you say, yes, mostly for who can't even read or write AKA Africans and South Americans, lot's of unemployment for young people but they are mostly kids who abandoned school and have absolutely no formation.

5 years ago you could easily get a well paid job doing nothing with zero squills, that changed due to the crisis but thanks to it almost a million shitskins abandoned Spain to go north or go back, was it bad? I think not.

>12th
>bad

>we have been good for a long time
>this is indisputable evidence that we'll never turn to shit

euro only benefits your shitty union and german industry and you know that...check german exports in 2000 and then check german exports in 2015

of course Franco was smart because he doesn't want this

didnt*

>The narrative is that those "irresponsible" Southern Euro's are lazy and stupid
also we are not lazy, come here and work 12 hours per day like my family ,stupid idiot.

Can you even read?

yeah

Spain was the twenty something in 2015. Tells you all you need to know about this meme forecast.

I doubt it. You insulted him when he was defending Spain and atacking Germany's policies.

i know but i hate this shit. everybody speaking about Spain .

Germany fucked everyone over, I remember very clearly few months before Euro, peseta, guilder and other currencies that are not german mark dropping a lot in value like 10-15%. In effect when we adopted euro, Spain, NL, France etc. became 15% poorer overnight, Germans conned everybody.

>Germans conned everybody.
We conned everybody by being the only nation that was coerced into adopting the common currency, while everyone else adopted it voluntarily...
Yeah, right. Gotta love how this silly meme never dies out.

>we adopted euro, Spain, NL, France etc. became 15% poorer overnight
totally agree user

This desu you can see how well Sweden recovered from the 2008-2009 crisis. Euro benefits only Germany

We are still pretty good to live. Health services are top tier, education level is high, people are friendly and we have great climate and diet.

>We are still pretty good to live. Health services are top tier, education level is high, people are friendly and we have great climate and diet.
you forgot unemployment rate

No it's a shithole, land of sewers and poop, just like my country

and shitty wages

Literally this.

FUCKING K3K

>1953
>ASSpain and Grease forgave 60% of Germans debt (38.800 millons marcs in that time) to help them rebuild their country.


big mistake but if germans expect to get their money back now just take a comfy chair.

Opkankeren

trouw.nl/tr/nl/4324/Nieuws/article/detail/1718860/2005/05/02/De-Nederlandsche-Bank-Gulden-was-meer-waard.dhtml

Dutch national bank admitting Guilder was worth 10% more, but and i quote: 'The economic honest route was politically not possible. Germany would have had to admit the Dmark had weakened inregard to the guilder'

This meant people earned 10% less overnight than they actually earned. In theory prices would have been 10% lower as well as they should be, but every economist can tell you prices rose after adoption of the euro because if your prices are 10% lower than they actually should be you are not making any profit. Germany fucked everyone over just to keep your own position strong.

WTF i'm starting to hate germans again

Spain used to dominate a big part of the world

Now they are back to begging for Euro moneys

Well thats what you get for literally stealing other people's gold and natural ressources and contributing nothing to a sustainable development of the conquered land

>Well thats what you get for literally stealing other people's gold and natural ressources and contributing nothing to a sustainable development of the conquered land
are you south american? wtf lad

It was 10% in the Netherlands and 100% in Germany. Price figures stayed the same despite a 2:1 exchange ratio between Euro an D-Mark. We never had the possibility to opt out of the common currency like Denmark or the UK, even though we didn't want to adopt it. We were coerced into adopting it. And we were the only ones. Everybody else adopted it voluntarily.

>Price figures stayed the same despite a 2:1 exchange ratio between Euro an D-Mark.

Interesting 100% increase I'm seeing here for Gernany in 2002.

Boy consumer prices in 2002 sure doubled in Germany, not like it's been following the same trend since the 80s or something.

You do realize that you can make the same graphs for the Netherlands and don't see a 10% drop either, right? Do you know why?

Oh it's just the Dutch national bank admitting we were fucked over for 10%, it's just some conspiracy against Germany probably. You don't have to defend your evil masters simply because you share a passport.

Mexicans are more spanish than native bud
Ive been to spain, some of you are brown as fuck

You won't find the bubble butts and exotic features Latinas have, that's the Amerindian and nigger blood in them.

CHI

Butthurt cholo detected

>your evil masters
Your comic book vocabulary doesn't make you sound any more reasonable. In fact, it's doing the opposite.
Germany was the only nation that was coerced into adopting the common currency, while everyone else adopted it voluntarily.

>let's ignore everything else
>Solidarpakt I ended 2004
HMMMMMMMMMM

>2005
>Peseta

At some point when your leaders are knowingly fucking over rest of Europe they should be called what they are, evil, don't care if you don't like that and are triggered by it. Germans shilled the hardest for this and anyone that suggested Dmark was too highly valued was shut down, maybe not the people wanted euro but they don't matter in Germany anyway if I look at how things are going there.

>Germans shilled the hardest for this
Pick up a history book. Germany was coerced into adopting the common currency, while everyone else adopted it voluntarily.

>18% and a lot of that 18% actually work but dont register to avoid taxes and burocracy (me included)
do you think thats good?

xd retard

enjoy your shit job btw

>by the modern definition we are first world

totally. there's news of scientific and technologic breakthroughs by spanish researchers like everyday :^)

i honestly dont know where those unemployed young people are. i found a job easily right after graduation, and everyone i know is either employed or studying

im starting to think its a myth

>Ive been to spain, some of you are brown as fuck
yes, the latino immigrants

checkmate chicano

>totally. there's news of scientific and technologic breakthroughs by spanish researchers like everyday :^)

You self-loathing retard.

im not self loathing, i just care more about improving the situation than pretending its already okay

btw if that pic is supposed to prove your point it shows we're literally worst than pajeets

fucking nips

No, you are an hysterical fag who don't realizes how good we have it compared to most of the world.

It's good to have self-criticism, and yes, the aim is to improve always, things can always get better, even for the top 1#, but you are not being self-critic, you are being self-loathing. The extreme and unfair pessimism, the "woe me", and pretending that things are much worse than they are while not recognizing the good, even if small, steps that we do is literally a mental disease.

>btw if that pic is supposed to prove your point it shows we're literally worst than pajeets
Pajeets have over a billion people, you dumb fuck, while we have only 40 to 46 million (6 million are recent immigrants).

>Poor Germany was coerced into conning all of Europe

Fuck off, resistance in 92 around the treaty doesn't negate the fanatic shilling in the years afterward.

Grow up, kid
>As a matter of fact, secret documents from the German foreign office archives, now in Der Spiegel’s possession, show that the connection was a lot closer than previously acknowledged. A broad West European alliance threatened to form up against Bonn, and Franco-German relations were on the verge of collapsing. Mitterrand warned the government in Bonn point-blank that it could soon be left stranded in Europe as high and dry “as in 1913".

>"The Deutschmark is to the Germans what the atom bomb is to us,” was the Elysée’s view.

>When Mitterrand heard of Kohl’s declaration, he had “a little fit of rage – that went on for hours”, his advisers recall.
-- voxeurop.eu/en/content/article/351531-you-get-unification-we-get-euro

Kohl later said that the question of the common currency was a question of war and peace. So you keep crying about some perceived evil German master plan. The truth is we were the only ones who were coerced into adopting the common currency, while everyone else adopted it voluntarily. A fact you simply cannot get around, which is why you tried to ignore it for 4 fucking posts with red herring bs.

fuck of you retarded kraut wheter you where forced to adopt the Euro or not is irrelevant, you still decided to fuck up everyone else with it.

Shh. Did the facts hurt your feelings? Is it that why you make up conspiracy stories?

Why are you fucking over everyone else with the euro?

Why are you trying to destroy Europe for the 5th time?

We were the only ones who were fucked over with the euro as we were the only ones who were coerced into adopting the common currency, while everyone else adopted it voluntarily.

so? just beacuse you didn't like it at the time doesn't change the fact that you exploited it afterwards.

i can remember a bit of the transition from when we started adopting the euro
166 pesetas = 1€ so our currency was worth less
but things got more expensive.

At the time? There never was a time when the Euro was liked in Germany. Germans would much rather have the D-Mark back. This position never changed. It was true back then. It's still true today. And not surprising, considering the fact that everything that economists now tell us about what is wrong with the Euro were Germany's concerns with it from the very start and before its inception. Yet, we had no choice, as we were the only ones who were coerced into adopting the common currency, while everyone else adopted it voluntarily. So you can make up conspriacy theories all day long, given the choice if they want to keep the Euro or have the D-Mark back, Germans will vote in favor of their own currency 10 out of 10 times at any point in time. FACT!

what the hell is this?

>our problem is that our government loves old people and thinks young people will do "just fine" without any help
>we still have decent average wealth but thats because of the people over 40
>young people here are fucked when it comes to job opportunities, its depressing

>wanting "help"
that is your problem, no one deserves gibs from the government and every euro you get in aid is stolen from someone else at gunpoint.
socialism kills incentives to work harder than your neighbour and achieve more than the absolute minimum

>muh conspiracy theories

Germans ruining everything all the time is not a "conspiracy theory". You are always in the center of every major crisis affecting Europe from the fall of rome to the refugee crisis.

Fuck you

>not a "conspiracy theory"
>writes a conspiracy theory right afterwards

>japan
our state of no muslims nor blacks is overrated

It is fortunate that you suck so hard at war beacuse otherwise all of Europe would have been under German occupation already.

It is not like you havn't tried

Doesnt Spain do pretty well right now still without government?

*yawn*

Funny, beacuse you really are subhuman in every way possible

Can you stop with this Donald Trump strategy of repeating things?
It is not true and you rule Europe and you are fucking everybodyelse. Now everybody hates you. Period.

Go on.

Spain has a government.
And still they're not doing pretty well.

Hans, pls..

Why should I stop repating my argument, when nobody is able to refute it? On the contrary. I repeat it to make ever more clear that you guys have nothing but allegations and zero facts and nothing what you say invalidates my argument, because it's a historic fact that we were the only ones who were coerced into adopting the common currency, while everyone else adopted it voluntarily.

What he says is actually true.
Germans are the ones who benefits the most of the € currency, still since the beginning its people (not politicians) weren't in favor of it.
Now the currency is even less popular.

A lot of Spaintards working here because they were not able to find work in Spain. In my IT company where I work at are a few as well. They are well-trained, like monkeys, are hardworking but trashtalk all the tiem about Germany and the cold weather. But they suck it up and work here to have atleast a future.
But what I critise: They all BTFO out of their country to get employment here, in UK or other countries with stable work-life quality. Instead working in their own country, trying to change the economy and the life standards they all flee like rats from a sinking ship to save what's left to save

>tl;dr spaintards ruining their own country by being traitors to their own motherland

Helmunt, when you have 50% unemployment, are forced to live with your parents or to accept a underpaid job (+50% of young Spaniards are overqualified for their job) your're keen to accept jobs abroad.
After crises all opportunities just died miserably, having a master degree and be paid 1000€ is a thing in Spain.
This is fuckin common sense.

Yeah, nothing new to me. But spaintards better think of something to save face and their country

>But what I critise: They all BTFO out of their country to get employment here, in UK or other countries with stable work-life quality.
>Implying that's not part of the plan
Destabilize southern economies, remove barriers to entry, have all their talented minds move to Germany, prop up the German economy, shove the Spanish economy even further down, devaluate the euro even further, export even more German goods.

I'm not a big fan of Farage (he's a loudmouth only good at taking credit for shit he has nothing to do with) but he was correct in describing the EU as a ponzi scheme.

Easy to say when it's not happening to you.

I like that we're on the same side Holland but you're basically doing the same.

>german ignorance at it's best
>exactly the same reasoning neet patriots make in Spain

There is no saving your country staying at home because there is no job Jerry. There are not roads and cities to rebuild Hans. There isn't a currency to debaluate Otto.

Staying at home earning 300€ a month living with your fucking parents is not been a patriot.

I work in germany and there is only 1 thing people complain. Germans.

You don't deserve that hardworking and Ordnung halo. You dont go out of your confortzone and you consider yourselves and your education superior even when it is not.

Keep on going. You are turningg one of the few nations who liked you in to a Bochehatting pitt. And that works also for Italy our brothers, enjoy next war. History repeats itself.

Traitors? I'll tel you something you may not know , Franco was a traitor...

>I work in germany
>and there is only 1 thing people complain. Germans.

How about GTFO then? I'd think there are quite better countries to get your life on track Pablo Alejandro.

>you consider yourselves and your education superior even when it is not.
Easy to say when you actually never attended any sort of schooling in this country.

5PA1N

>You don't deserve that hardworking and Ordnung halo. You dont go out of your confortzone and you consider yourselves and your education superior even when it is not.

Funny how all positive stereotypes about Germany turn out to be false but all the negative ones are always true...

Literally this. Everything he says I support 110%

Jamal pls