Do Kurds deserve their own country?

Do Kurds deserve their own country?
Inb4 cCc amk turk stronk

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I was really disturbed when I heard of the terrorist attack in Istanbul. I used to think they did deserve their own country.

Maybe they still do but definitely none of Turkey. Iraq territory only.

>terrorist attack

Yes, they are big and established nation that deserve a place on this planet along with others.

They targeted police only but that group is known to cause civillian casualties the pkk has criticized them alot for that

>disturbed
Made me like them more kek

>the pkk has criticized them alot for that

Are westerners really that fuckin dense? It was the PKK themselves who blew Ankara last year and Istanbul this year. And nearly every single one of those arrive from either Iran or Syria.

TAK is the one bombing big city's pkk only operates in Kurdish areas

Yes.
But other countries also deserve territorial integrity.
If you can defend it, you can have it. Might makes reality.

They might be able to defend northeast Syria. No party in the civil war there has the manpower or resources to wrest that area from their control.
In Iraq, the Kurds already have some autonomy, but it's not true independence. The PMUs, partially controlled by Iraq, partially controlled by Iran, have at times made threatening noises about notions of Kurdish independence.

Yes

>Ararat
>Kurdish

BOI

Apparently you are that dense really. TAK is not a seperate group. They are all being trained in the same camps in Iraq and Syria. They cant survive in Turkey. They get btfo really hard here. Why do you think we are in Syria?

>They might be able to defend northeast Syria

Without your help they cant do shit.

Yes they are white and aryan unlike T*rks.
I also love the fact that they kill and displace Assyrian Christians from their traditional homelands, it just proves how secular and tolerant they are.

Don't know if this is true but they do operate independently you are so good at holding ISIS and Islam apart so please do the same with other groups

Yes.

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Proof?

>they do operate independently

This is not the case at all. Just do some basic research at least.

Assad will give Rojava autonomy

>K*rdistan thread

So you have 100% proof that they take orders from the pkk?

Ollum, isch habe deinem Vater einmal gesagt!
Isch werde deinem Vater wieder sagen.

AMK TURK STRONK!

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cCc amk turk stronk we façked your mather

>fascist T*rk mindlessly defending his country post

Kurds deserve autonomy but not full independence.

t. middle east pro

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Yea no this TBh
I'm all for free Kurdistan but Ararat to Van is Western Armenia

No i just hate their kind more than anything.

Mehmet bist du es?

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Yes Kurds murder innocent people for no reason. That makes sense.

The only thing kurds deserve is a Enver Pasha

Yes, there needs to be Kurdistan. Much better than having Kurds being killed by Turks

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Best thing, they outbreed you in your country like your anatolians do it here.

Deserve it.

Ocalan is bae

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>they outbreed you in your country

Not really. Dont believe some meme map posted on Sup Forums. Syrians however.....

*posts k*rd memes*

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>Without your help they cant do shit.
Who would attack them?
Turkey isn't going to invade the area. It's Syrian territory and filled with Kurds, so no compliant locals.
Russia doesn't care about the territorial integrity of Syria. They just want Tartus.
Assad might want it, but Assad has no say in anything anymore.
Iran doesn't view them as an enemy necessarily.

>You now realize he said he would serve Turkey best he can after he got captured.

Nice '''leader''' you got there.

türkįÿę bęšst çöüntrÿ;;;. rüšsïä ïš nęw türk prövïnçë .. grëekš nd mäçëdonïä smëll lïkę sh** ...

>Turkey isn't going to invade the area

We already did. The US has more than a thousand military officals in the area including a fuckin air base in Rojava. The moment you are out they are gone.

Smart move. He lives on to inspire the revolution.

This is true. There is a very good reason everyone in the region hates kurds. Peope who don't know shit about shit and don't read about news or about the region think Kurds are the "good guys" because they like us and hate ISIS and most of the people that we've fought in the last 30 years.

They aren't the "good guys". They're mountain barbarians who just happen to be reliable allies (well, reliable allies to us at least).

>We already did.
Euphrates Shield extended beyond the Euphrates river?
Even if it did, at a certain point, you start running out of areas where Kurds are in control but the locals are Sunni Turkmen, and start running into areas that are totally Kurdish. Everything becomes a slog, and without the political understanding that Turkey is helping fight ISIS.

They have to earn their independence like the countries they're trying to steal land from did

Kurds as a whole? No. But the PKK/YPG/SDF are setting an example for the whole world with their democratic confederalism. There is a reason socialists and anarchists have flocked from around the world to fight for them.

They're hated because they're daring to assert themselves and fight reactionaries and imperialists.

Why doesn't Turkey just expel all the kurds then build a wall and make them pay for it?

>Why dont you guys expel 10 million people from your country

>>>/leftypol/

top lel I know who that pic refers to

but nah I'm good here Aquafresh

You're right. Ethnic cleansing is a really progressive and left wing thing to do.

Turkey has 54 million voters. Today PKK supporter party has %10.75 votes which is 6.227.500 voters including Leftists, Gülenists and communists. Today the polls says HDP (PKK supporter party) would have %7,9 of votes which is 4.266.000.

There are 15.000.000 to 20.000.000 Kurds living in Turkey. Lets say half of them aren't adults. 7.5m to 10m. Only 4.2m Kurds (including leftits, gülenists) support separatist party.

According to the statistics more than half of the Kurds don't have problem with Turkey. We are also backing Barzani and trained Peshmerge and giving them supplies to destroy DAESH.

Please stop this meme.

>Ethnic cleansing
If they are they should stop, but that doesn't detract from everything else they're doing.

qeq
>a group of isis "leaves" isis and renames to memes, still following al-baghdadi and serving the same purpose
>memes bombs every european capital and isis criticizes memes
>isis is no longer the bad guys
ebin :d

well there's clearly an appetite for autonomy at least. Even most of the PKK don't care so much about an independent nation-state as much as self-governance these days

kurds are subhumans

It does, their meme fantasy is built with the blood of Arabs, Turkmen and Assyrians. They only exist because of US support, if that goes away then they will simply collapse.

They're a bigger meme than revolutionary Catalonia.

most of these areas aren't even %50 kurdish

they don't take orders from pkk
they ARE pkk. its just an alias pkk uses to confuse you retarded whitecucks

I am sorry man Kurdish people stop backing PKK in the cities. Most of them are now using the mask of YPG and fighting in Syria because the Kurdish society don't help or cover them anymore. Kurdish people in Turkey are realized how government can be serious about erasing terrorists. Now PKK/PYD is doing suicide bombings to the big cities because they're about to rekt.

Absolutely.

Must I remind you that Turkey is allied with terrorists in the operation Euphrate Shield against the SDF and YPG? Terrorists groups such as Arhar al-Sham, Sultan Murad Division, Levant Front and several others?

they breed like animals

>renames to memes
are they allied with MILF?

>I declare everyone who says Allahu Ekber as terrorists.
>They're terrorists because I say so.

Dumbfuck.

>moderate beheaders
>not terrorists

Kurds are hyprocrites. They are one of the biggest groups in europe who lives from welfare and at the same time they want an independend kurdistan. I bet not a single of them would go to Kurdostan if its ever founded.

The facts that they don't wear paki made airsoft camo outfits with hoods and don't have access to 4K filming equipment and studios don't make them any less terrorists.

Plenty of Arabs, Turkmens and Assyrians are fighting for them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_Forces

Revolutionary Catalonia only ended because the fascists had support from Germany and Italy. Infighting with the Stalinists didn't help. But in Rojava the various Leninist/Maoist parties in Turkey are supportive. The US doesn't provide anywhere near as much support as some think. The BCB (British and Irish fighters in the IFB) have said as much.

>that chart
senpai its just standard procedure around in the middle-east
in turkey people select anyone from the building manager to provincial governors. we also have a "single-member district" system where voters of each party selects their specific parliamentarian they want for their district
nowadays these systems are a little corrupt but they are still present in the constitution

also if the kurds hadn't chimped out erdoğan was going to implement a federal system, because he hates kemalists and anything atatürk-related, like the unitary system

also this map is wrong, birth-rate in the south-east is dropping quickly

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>also this map is wrong, birth-rate in the south-east is dropping quickly
Ganıd??

>in turkey people select anyone from the building manager to provincial governors. we also have a "single-member district" system where voters of each party selects their specific parliamentarian they want for their district
>nowadays these systems are a little corrupt but they are still present in the constitution

but do they have the sort of libertarian and egalitarian system that Rojava is striving for?

Doubt anyone else in the regions follows Bookchin

i had made a map a long time ago but couldn't find it right now
kurdish areas still have high-birth rates but they are decreasing quickly with the new generation, thus pkk is calling for kurds to make more babies
kurdish population in turkey will likely get up to %30 and normalize

>Plenty of Arabs, Turkmens and Assyrians are fighting for them
Because they're either conscripted or because the alternative is ISIL.

>The US doesn't provide anywhere near as much support as some think. The BCB (British and Irish fighters in the IFB) have said as much.

I'm sure a bunch of foreign volunteers have in depth knowledge of the origin of their arms or other supplies. I'm sure the CIA just announces itself and makes nice information sheets to distribute across Rojava. Not to mention that anarkiddies are incredibly buttmad at the US and have a vested interest in understating its rôle.

Revolutionary Catalonia failed because anarkiddies refused basic military necesities like a command structure, compulsory orders and punishing deserters. Only after the commies took over did the Republic army do anything effective. The CNT autistically refused to give command over infrastructure to the ministry of war, that's one example.

>egalitarian
turkey is already an egalatarian state
>muh kurdish opression
we literally had kurdish generals and a prime-minister. there is no, was no discrimination based on race

>liberal
wouldn't say so, but turkey was built as a more liberal state than its counterparts(even in europe) before islamism started to corrupt stuff

atatürks ideology was:
>republicanism
specifically representative republic and unitary state
>populism
basically transferring power from the elites to the people. it is anti-feudalist which is why kurds hate this idea so much. political power is used for the good of the public and advancement of society as a whole. quote;
-"Sovereignty belongs to the people/nation unrestrictedly and unconditionally."
>laicism
basically separation of state and any religious entities, however this was broken to establish "diyanet", the states religious institution that regulates the muslim activities within turkey
>reformism
idea is that logic should be used in all circumstances and that system need to be reformed into better versions whenever possible
>nationalism
basically started out as ethnic-nationalism and quickly was turned into civic-nationalism. quotes;
-"Turks are the folk which constitutes the Republic of Turkey is called the Turkish Nation."
-"Turkish people are those who protect and promote the moral, spiritual, cultural and humanistic values of the Turkish Nation."
-"How happy is he/she who calls himself/herself a Turk."
and indeed the constitution regards to all citizens of turkey as turks and grants them all equal rights. turkey isn't a nation with just turks+kurds but a nation with many minorities who are happy to integrate into society+kurds

needless to say kurds hate atatürk with a passion. hdp and pkk was applauding as the akp jailed turkish army officers and other turkish seculars on bogus claims and kangaroo courts. now they cry "racism" when they suffer the same fate

so are you a ML then?

>it's kurdshit diaspora bitching about opression thread #616126
Dividing them and sending all men in mines and all women to cotton fields was only thing Stalin made right here. And even that didn't finish them all.

Center left to democratic socialist depending on the issue

Shut up, 2nd class Armenian Turd.

Weird that your stereotype Kurds actually looks like a Turk

Can't wait until Erdogan just annexes all of Syria

is there any faction you support in particular?

only reason I asked if you were a ML is because I usually see "anarckiddie" used by people like Phil Greaves

t. le crane man

they are very moderate beheaders

I support none of them, pretty much all the major factions are fucking awful in one way or another.

I used to browse /leftypol/ on 4*2chan because I was an anarchisr, then I grew out of it.

there's not just anarchists there, plenty of social democrats, Trotskyists, Titoists etc

If Kosovo can become a "country" why the fuck can't Kurdistan? And Turkey even recognized Kosovo. It's high time Kurdistan becomes reality and the Turks recognize that one too.

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krg is planning to declare independence with turkish backing

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It can obviously, but it would be bloody and painful for decades.

sauce?

Which is led by a corrupt asshole who pockets billions for his own family and licks Turkish asshole.

google it you nigger

>anyone that isn't with me is a corrupt nazi asshole
typical socialist

>we did it guys, we saved k*rdistan
kürt ket

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>>anyone that isn't with me is a corrupt nazi asshole
>typical socialist
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>>we did it guys, we saved k*rdistan
>kürt ket

Everyone knows he uses his position as a business for his family, and doesn't do shit for the people.

Nice posting of proof of your own countries destruction of Kurdish cities while you try to deny any mistreatment of them at all.

Not before Chechnya.

direct result of pkk taking over neighborhoods and declaring them "liberated zones"
answer should have been much harsher than "evacuate citizens and clear buildings" desu. honestly they should have burned those cities to the ground, no turkish soldiers would die and it would send a message

3rd Chechen War when?