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what's the name of the one on the left?
I knew there was something to that Wayne mausoleum scene but didn't bother looking up the painting.

DUDE

CHRISTIAN SYMBOLISM

LMAO

Also the rocks look like Metropolis' buildings.

pic related

Visionary

>retards are going to think that this is meaningless
The reason why it's there is in the Man-Bat scene is to show that Bruce has become so infatuated with killing Superman he's tainted the memory of his own mother with his lust for revenge. In short his reason for defeating criminals this entire time was his mother, but this time against Superman, it's the Bat itself. That's why there's this painting there in blue and red like Superman, and that's why the Bat shoots out of his mom's grave.

St. Michael Vanquishing Satan

No thank you?

Are Marvelcucks actually upset about symbolism?

You're doing God's work, user.

Now this

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>looks remarkably similar to artist Cleon Peterson’s “A Balance of Terror,” showing terribly violent acts perpetrated by characters in black, upon characters of white.

>Considering that the film will later feature the Dark Knight brutally beating the shining beacon of hope that is Superman, the artwork is actually foreshadowing.

>These people with high IQ said BvS is kino so it must be good!
Do you realize how dumb this makes you look? Post your own IQ if you think it proves anything, user.

Once good rip comes out I will literally go through every single frame to point out the symbolism

I will create the Bible of Snyder

Can we get a bvs discussion thread going on?

Dump everything you've got.

Ok, I'll take the test.

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BvS audience confirmed for fedoracore redditors who take IQ tests seriously

Of course we're supposed to find these things. Zod is represented as Satan being vanquished by St. Michael.

However it's clear from the image in Bruce's dream that there is no Zod in his mind. From Bruce's perspective all that pain and suffering was Clark's fault.

To each his own. If you're so smart why do you waste your precious time in these threads?

147 but I've never used it for anything. Been roofing with mexicans that cant even read for the past 11yrs

Visual guide here (still incomplete)

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too easy but someone had to do it

Saint Michael the Archangel isn't a saint, but rather he is an angel, and the leader of all angels and of the army of God. This is what the title "Archangel" means, that he is above all the others in rank.

St. Michael has four main responsibilities or offices, as we know from scripture and Christian tradition.

The first is to combat Satan.
The second is to escort the faithful to heaven at their hour of death.
The third is to be a champion of all Christians, and the Church itself.
And the fourth is to call men from life on Earth to their heavenly judgment.
Very little is known about St Michael other than what we know from scriptures, which themselves are sparse.

In Daniel, St. Michael is mentioned twice. The first time as one who helped Daniel, and the second time he is mentioned with regard to the end times of the world when he will stand for the "children of thy people."

His next mention comes in the Epistle of St. Jude, where St. Michael is said to guard the tombs of Moses and Eve and has contended with Satan over the body of Moses.

The final mention is in Revelation, where St. Michael and his angels, do battle with the dragon.

There are other scriptures where St. Michael is implied, but not mentioned by name, such as the angel; who defends the gate to Paradise, who defends against Balaam, and "who routed the army of Sennacherib."

Today, St. Michel is invoked for protection, especially from lethal enemies. He is also the patron of soldiers, police and doctors.

who /teamluci/ here?
Michael a shit

All the way baby

saved.

It's supposed to be Doomsday at the bottom though.

Retard here.

>St. Michael is said to guard the tombs of Moses and Eve and has contended with Satan over the body of Moses.
>has contended with Satan over the body of Moses.
>over the body of Moses.

For what?
Why the body of Moses was so important?

Please respond.

Zod=Doomsday in practical terms

>dat terrible CGI

Satan is the lord of deception.

Moses was the greatest human leader at the time, so everyone cared about him. He would have used his body as an object if worship, having full control over humanity,
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Doomsday's birth is very reminiscent to both of these scenes.
Same as Doomsday, the Frankenstein monster was born from corpses.
Same as the Uruk-hai, who were orc-men crossbreeds, Doomsday is a Kryptonian-Earthling crossbreed, he resembles a LotR troll on purpose too.

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So did Satan win possession of Christ's body. And thus mass control over humanity.

Keep up the good work

He realised influencing his death sentence (twice) would be more of a victory, since Jesus took his body with him to heaven

Bruh.

I think actually controlling the body of Christ and dictating his will hereafter woud be the bigger win, politically.

>Today, St. Michel is invoked for protection

Poor Clark.

Doomsday and the Frankenstein monster were both reanimated with the help of electricity.

>people here actually watch capeshit

wow

Only problem with that plan is Christ ascended with his body.

That hasn't stopped churches claiming they have the hairs of Christ or the bones of Christ to exploit people for money

Look this shit is not symbolism, its reference. The same kind of reference that makes you hate Ready Player One. It's not obscure nor is it meaningful. It's pop culture meme spouting from an age older than any of your living relatives, that doesn't make it good.

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It's hilarious every time I see something like this being posted.

>movie is literally a thesis on gods and monsters, the deification of a god like being and the implications societal and moral of said god like beings existence in our real world

>Religious allusions and symbolism are meaningless! Just references! Have nothing to do with the plot!!

Fucking cretins.

Based Snyder.
How can people not love this beautiful man's work?

holy shit that looks almost as deep as neon genesis evangelion. that's really powerful imagery

>He's facing up, not down like in the rest of the images.

>Instead of attacking demons from below he'll defend the planet from space menaces.

[VIOLINS INTENSIFY]

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>How can people not love this beautiful man's work?
Because copying renaissance paintings isn't impressive. People have been knocking off Renaissance paintings since the Renaissance. And the obvious references are particularly not impressive when they're surrounded by 2 hours of boring, belligerently stupid dogshit.

It's a bunch of 80-year-old comic characters contradictorily "reinterpreted" through the lens of a 70-year-old objectivist ideology, awkwardly posing to recreate 500-year-old religious imagery of 2000-year-old religious lore. It's a fucking joke. It's what a stupid person thinks is smart.

back to your GoT thread you go

>And the obvious references are particularly not impressive when they're surrounded by 2 hours of boring, belligerently stupid dogshit.

The references are not incidental to an unrelated plot, and you know that.

They all tie in to a much larger story structure of mankind coming to terms with Gods (metahumans) among them.

Thought BVS was a decent movie. Definitely has some big problems but beats something like Avengers where you can just replace superhoes with robots and get transformers.

It's Icarus. So uh... what are you trying to tell me here, little man? That you don't like Zep?

If you look closely, you can actually see Jesus' face in the jar of piss.

Bravo/10 Snyderman!

Wait a tic did the orginal comic artists intned this?

>Snyder

The joke that keeps on giving

Stop posting Stevie Nicks. This isn't a waifu thread.

Is Sup Forums actually intelligent, or am I getting rused here? Or is 110 the new 100, as it were?

me:

Sup Forums is where smart people go to pretend they're dumb.

Sadly this attracts a lot of dumb people too.

Wow I know your joking but you might have cracked the code of that symbolism! I had forgotten all about piss Jesus. We will need to do more research

>They all tie in to a much larger story structure of mankind coming to terms with Gods (metahumans) among them.
The "structure" is dogshit.

And there's more God imagery out there than fucking Catholic renaissance art. It's a story about "mankind coming to terms with God," not Gods. It's the second movie with exclusively monotheistic imagery, in spite of the fact that the movie is literally about the introduction of a whole gaggle of Gods. Now there's water jesus, lady jesus, robot jesus, and time and space jesus. Plenty of intriguing polytheism imagery out there if the idea is actually about "Mankind coming to term with Gods (metahumans) among them." It's not allusion, it's fucking reference. And it doesn't "tie in" at all. You can kill the entire fucking Day-of-Dead.jpg hero jesus montage and you lose nothing in the narrative.

Are you retards actually taking online IQ tests?

And you're actually taking the results seriously?

you know how I know you're not a genius?

I'd never taken one before. It is on the mensa website, so I doubt they would have it there if they didn't think it at least did a somewhat decent job of imitating a real test. You should take one. I'd be interested to see the results.

>at what point did I claim to be a genius
You sound kind of insecure.

>And it doesn't "tie in" at all. You can kill the entire fucking Day-of-Dead.jpg hero jesus montage and you lose nothing in the narrative.

Pic so fucking related.

>he wants a literal, one-to-one translation of renaissance symbols to plot

>It is on the mensa website, so I doubt they would have it there if they didn't think it at least did a somewhat decent job of imitating a real test.
Nice meme. Mensa is a money trap for insecure dipshits that are good at taking tests. How many questions where on the test?

> I'd be interested to see the results.
I've taken 4 IQ tests administered by diagnostic professionals in a clinical setting. Gotten a few different results. One time I was tired and annoyed. One time I studied. My "high score" was 40 points higher than my "low score." It's a measure of the ability to take a test. Not a measure of actual intelligence.

i don't think so, and the movie has had me thinking since i saw it

i'm sure that snyder thinks something along the lines of what i'm going to say, especially given the joseph campbell connection and how he talks about myth
i think everything snyder does is already *there* he just makes it visual and explicit
i've even wondered if jesus and moses are just capeshit from their times and this is actually something primal within us as a species that as of yet hasn't gone away
that is to say, i wonder if those comics have been written by "hidden hand" that comes from the unconscious and bvs takes an overt angle to play with internal aspects of certain characters while the movie itself plays with internal concepts we currently have in relation to the subjects touched on in the movie

>he wants a literal, one-to-one translation of renaissance symbols to plot
No I don't want any fucking forced renaissance imagery at all. The only reason he dips into the renaissance shit is when he's run out of DKR panels to xerox.

>talking about religious renaissance imagery in BvS, bring up skull shit from MoS.

i think these scenes are good to illustrate the sort of subconscious pattern the movie plays with

i think metropolis is useful here as well

That all may true, but that has nothing to do with this online test. It was about 35 questions, I believe. Just pattern recognition, not exhaustive by any means.

But to stay on topic, you really think an avengers movie is better than bvs? Just take bvs for what it is; throw out all the unnecessary bullshit biblical references, and you're left with at least kind of an interesting plot and some cool dream sequence things and a batman who is actually driven by fear rather than heroism. I don't think avengers has anything like that to offer.

Read Umberto Eco's The Myth of Superman

Stevie a cute!

DUDE

MY SUBCONSCIOUS MIND IS TELLING ME THAT SUPERMAN'S NOT A BAD GUY AND MY OBSESSION IS EATING ME

LMAO

Oh wait, this is a MCUck thread.

>DUDE

>CHRISTIAN SYMBOLISM

>LMAO

think i have the pdf somewhere
checked and i do
i'll be back and say if anything clicked for me that i think hasn't been talked about yet

kryptonians are just earthlings from the future

>A guy that came from heaven to save the humanity

>tfw anxiety sets in when taking a pointless internet quiz

Been here a loooooooong time. Have seen countless IQ threads across tons of boards. Average seems to be around 130. But who knows how many people take it and don't post after being disappointed in their score.

>But to stay on topic, you really think an avengers movie is better than bvs?
Think you were talking to someone else, but absolutely yes. BvS, as a movie, is a fucking disaster. Snyder didn't really understand how Chekov's Gun works so he stupidly moved Lex getting access to the ship and Zod's body to his second scene. Making essentially everything that happens in the second act completely pointless from a narrative perspective.

The batmanslaughter convoy attack sequence has no narrative reason to exist.

The Flash tease completely ruined the point of the Knightmare in the plot of the movie. Instead of an ambiguous mystery about who the "her" was that Batman "took away from Superman," we get Mexicali Flash screaming at the audience about Lois, because Zack doesn't understand what Kuleshov was talking about.

> with at least kind of an interesting plot
There's a drastically altered 90 minute version of the movie with "an interesting plot." Mason Jars full of piss and blowing up congress for no benefit aren't "interesting," they're "baffling."
>and some cool dream sequence things
Man-Bat dream is redundant, forced, and a momentum suck.
Pa Kent dream primarily addresses the first movie, appears in the third act of the second, is like a parody of someone doing grimdark.
>batman who is actually driven by fear rather than heroism.
Actively sabotaged by the imagery and poem suggesting that the bats "take him to the light." Much of his stated reason to want to kill Supes is driven by narcissism. He wants to secure his legacy on a suicide by God mission.
>I don't think avengers has anything like that to offer.
I don't spend $15 to go watch a superhero movie for the biblical references and vague, contradictory dream sequences.

took this last night im not even smart so get off ur high horse iq tests are garbage

>Piss Christis a 1987 photograph by the AmericanartistandphotographerAndres Serrano. It depicts a small plasticcrucifixsubmerged in a glass of the artist'surine.
Lex Luthor's sabotage of Superman's will to serve humanity was highlighted by his seemingly ultra-petty humiliation of Senator Finch. Yet the two unrelated schemes have this artful connection.

>SisterWendy Beckett, an art critic andCatholic nun, stated in a television interview withBill Moyersthat she regarded the work as not blasphemous but a statement on "what we have done to Christ": that is, the way contemporary societyhas come to regardChristand the values he represents.
The entire idea behind the Congressional Hearing was Piss Christ. Hell, the idea of the movie is Piss Christ. Snyder is completely aware of all the themes at work here, including that of a "realistic" take on Superman being detrimental to the character. Placing Superman in a real world setting -- that of cynics, corruption, and apathy -- is the same as placing Jesus in a jar of piss that is our contemporary society. This doubles down on the prediction that Superman's miracle of resurrection will usher in a new era for this world free from the cyncisim and 'realism' where Superman can live up to his potential.

>Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne,George Pell, sought an injunction from theSupreme Court of Victoriato restrain the National Gallery of Victoria from publicly displayingPiss Christ, which was not granted. Some days later, one patron attempted to remove the work from the gallery wall, and two teenagers later attacked it with a hammer.

Snyder was even genius enough to predict the movie's hatred, from prominent critics and especially from passionate youths desperate for the pure symbol promised to them in their sunday schools and bedtime stories (comics and cartoons).

Justice League, as the final part of the Superman trilogy, will reveal all.

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

A significantly large portion of the audience is completely oblivious to those 'obvious' references. Your position is strange to me, since BvS simultaneously has carefully chosen and consistent imagery that references a specific section of culture and contrasts it with modern pop mythology but is apparently stupid dogshit.

What is with this guy and dogshit alla time?

piss related

>Snyder didn't really understand how Chekov's Gun works so he stupidly moved Lex getting access to the ship and Zod's body to his second scene. Making essentially everything that happens in the second act completely pointless from a narrative perspective.
You apparently don't understand Chekov's gun principle otherwise you would not have made this stupid post.
>because Zack doesn't understand what Kuleshov was talking about.
Why are you talking about Kuleshov?

Maybe we just look for different things in movies. I rather a flawed movie that feels somewhat novel over a movie without plot holes but which adds absolutely nothing to my 'known universe' of cinema. In other words, whether it's transformers 1,2,3 etc, or avengers 1,2,3,etc, just one of those movies can occupy a slot in my memory and basically represent all of them. To me bvs happens to be unique enough that I feel like it deserves its own slot in my memory.

The wetness of the child takes the dreamer to bed-wetting. He remembers that he used to wet his bed when he was little, a habit which he kept up for some time. Bed-wetting is certainly an infantile mode of behaviour. - The question of urine comes in here, and the genetic significance of urinary symbols. The connection between urethral erotism and power is recognized. Power psychology is in
some way often connected with urinary symbolism in the unconscious. We have to consider the significance of urination symbolically. I can find no reason why the act of urination in the dream, or the sexual
act itself, should always be arbitrarily taken as a finality. The urinary stream passes out into the world of objects. Urination thus
can become a symbol of the libido passing outwards into reality. I might speak of a ' urinary' relationship to the object, a urinary
relationship to the object being characteristic of a peculiar, urgent, non-humorous, power-ambition psychology, in my experience. The
patient in question had a pronounced power-relationship, of an infantile character, to the object; and therefore, correspondingly, an
enormous resistance to the subjective relationship to the unconscious.

>our position is strange to me, since BvS simultaneously has carefully chosen and consistent imagery that references a specific section of culture and contrasts it with modern pop mythology but is apparently stupid dogshit.
Because it wasn't really "carefully chosen," and was only consistent in that it was made by a catholic-imagery-obsessed Christian Scientist WASP. Listen to his interviews. He chooses his imagery largely based around what looks neat.

And "contrasting" fucking renaissance catholic imagery with comic book mythology isn't innovative or impressive. They're our culture's legends. Literally every fucking comic book movie understands and conveys that. Constantly putting characters literally standing in front of metaphorical renaissance paintings and constantly making them awkwardly recreating them is like the textbook definition of "obvious." Superman was always Jesus, you don't need to literally make him that. You don't need to have a majority of the dialogue be about MUH GODS. It's forced, it's brash, it's fucking stupid, and endlessly redundant. If he put half as much effort into making the narrative as clear as the "subtext," the movie wouldn't be consistently called "incoherent." Nobody doesn't understand Lex's beef with God, because he literally says it. What they don't understand is why he knew any of the shit that he knew, or what his plan was in the first 2 acts, because they never show it.

The symbolisms of in front or behind are not really always sexual in meaning. They may deal with the relationship to the world of objects and the relationship to the world of the unconscious. In a sense the unconscious lies behind us, the world of objects lies in front of us. The symbols of urination and defaecation are sometimes used in these and many other applications. In connection with urination and power we have to remember that the child has often many fantasies with regard to the urinary stream, about its direction, about the height
it can go and the area it can cover. These become associated with the idea of the putting out of one's own personality into life as an
expression of power over the object. The custom of certain primitive tribes in handing on the power to a new-coming medicine man must
be mentioned here. The retiring Shamam passes urine over the newcomer, thereby handing on his power. The frequency of micturition that often comes when people are in a very ambitious, excited, and restless state of mind must also be considered. I will take the
reference in the dream to the infantile personality being dirty and wet with urine as being connected with the theme of the infantile power relationship to the object, developed later to a 'blood' relationship.

SOME ANALYTICAL INTERPRETATIONS.*
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Something I'd like to take a moment to point out.

There are plenty of instances of religious iconography in this film that aren't directly tied to Christianity. The thunderclouds and lightning could be taken as allusions to other gods like Zeus and Thor, but more generally, Superman is being presented as a savior deity on some occasions and as a solar deity on others, but since the early Christian church appropriated much of the imagery typically associated with Apollo, it still comes off looking vaguely Christian to western society,

Pic related.

>If he put half as much effort into making the narrative as clear as the "subtext," the movie wouldn't be consistently called "incoherent."

WTF was unclear about the narrative?

A bad guy exploits two good guys misgivings towards each other while working on a super-monster.

How the fuck is that confusing to even a five year old?