Was it their plan to portray Superman as an unlikeable asshole? Brooding and distant and mean and threatening

Was it their plan to portray Superman as an unlikeable asshole? Brooding and distant and mean and threatening.
What's wrong with showing him as a nice, kindhearted, sweet guy who wants to do good?

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it would go against the jesus/god symbolism.

Being nice isn't badass and they wanted to make Superman's image more hip and cool. Being angry and punching things in anger is badass.

>it would go against the jesus/god symbolism.

But more often that not Jesus was a nice guy

>What's wrong with showing him as a nice, kindhearted, sweet guy who wants to do good?
Because in the 70's special effects were shit so you had to rely on acting and character. Now that special effect technology is great fuck that we will have superman kill and destroy.

>that scene in MoS 1 when he catches a soldier from the helicopter and asks if he's ok right before pushing him out of danger as Non attacks

Good scene. Also what's with Superman not giving a fuck about fire in this movie?

>gas station on fire after he punts the Batmobile into it
>just flies off and leaves it

>fire in Mexico
>stands there soaking in the crowd while the building burns down

>congress blown up
>just stands there looking guilty

Christ.

Because Marvel already stole the upbeat, bright and colorful superhero genre.

Meanwhile, the DC cinematic universe revolved entirlerly around Batman, meaning every movie has to use that tone, even if it's not compatible.

they should do bible stories with superman

He wasn't portrayed that way at all.

He wasn't brooding, distant, mean, nor threatening.

He was trying every way he could to relate to the gravity of what he perceived as petty issues. Here you have a guy with seemingly limitless power and a populace that is shattered and demoralized but still looking for some excuse to unify. They end up using him and he ends up accepting, but in BvS that theme is explored more maturely than in any of the previous Superman flicks. He does nice guy shit, too, but calling him brooding, distant, mean and threatening is sophomoric.

>not threatening
>"the bat is dead. consider this mercy."

There's a scene when he fights Zod where Zod kicks a tanker at him, he arrogantly flies over it and it crashes into the building behind him completely destroying it. Like he could have easily stopped it but choose to show off and everyone there died.

>Jesus was a nice guy
No he wasn't, he killed a tree for not bearing fruit in the winter.

>threatening a murdering vigilante

Gee I wonder how else he's gonna stop him? That was a white knight move. White knights ain't threatening.

cause according to basement dweller machildren dark tone makes everything "good"

Superman had two god awful sequels in the mid 80s, so some dumbass at Warner decided Superman wasn't cool anymore and they stopped making movies about him. Superman Returns was a return to idealistic friendly Superman, but that movie was boring as shit and flopped, so WB assumed the problem was that Superman wasn't popular anymore, not that the movie was bad.

So they turn to Hack Snyder, who hates Superman, and makes a Superman movie about how awful it is to be Superman, and people reject it. WB still doesn't understand and will just say that Superman doesn't sell because it's easier to blame the audience than accept responsibility for making shit movies.

Meanwhile, Marvel makes their cinematic Captain America emblematic of everything Superman is supposed to be (idealistic morally pure hero meant to inspire us to be better) and he's loved by all and his movies make bank even in an era of anti-american sentiment.

Why didn't he just bring him in right then and there? He literally just killed like a dozen people. Fucking dead. And Superman crashes his car and threatens him. Because he's a vigilante. And what's Superman? A goverment official?
What a pile of shit.

Trees are assholes though

This.

Inevitable Snyder's quote on Batman rape.

kicking his car off the road was pretty threatening.

Jesus vs Treebeard when?

>provide you with free oxygen
>provide you with free fruit
>provide you with everything else the Giving Tree did
Fuck you man.
Can Jesus cast lightning bolts or fireballs? I mean I know he was a carpenter, but that's just someone who works on dead wood.

Remember in MoS when Clark destroyed a guy's livelihood by turning that guy's truck into a shish kebab using tree trunks because he felt bullied?

>Captain America emblematic of everything Superman is supposed to be
The Captain literally kills people over and over again without any sign of regrets.

Weak bait kiddo

Yeah but it's okay because it was symbolic and shit.

Zach Snyder loves anything dark, twisted, brooding and gothic. Superman isn't that, batman is exactly that. So we get a great batman in BvS and a continuation of the dark brooding self-doubting Superman.

You can tell his philosophy on superheroes just by how he treats those 2 characters. He seems to legit hate superman, despite the Jesus stuff, and love Batman.

He should have brutaly raped that guy. That's real punishment.

I blame the people who have called Superman boring for the last couple of decades. People always used to shit on him until Snyder changed him, now they all want old Superman back

Who calls Superman boring? The people who don't read the comics?

But those basement dweller manchildren are here complaining about it..

it's been the trend since Nolan rebooted batman back in 2005 to make superhero movies dark and gritty. also when they made the Donner movie the dark and gritty superman that we are adapting now wasn't a thing yet so they adapted the fun, heroic superman from the silver age. it was probably a better time.

>I blame the people who have called Superman boring for the last couple of decades.
>HE'S INVINCIBLE NOTHING CHALLENGES HIM I'VE NEVER READ A FUCKING COMIC IN MY ENTIRE LIFE WHY WOULD I COMICS ARE FOR BABIES BUT I'M STILL AN EXPERT ON WHY SUPERMAN SUCKS BECAUSE HE JUST DOES

>The Captain literally kills people over and over again without any sign of regrets.

Yeah he kills Nazis and bad guys because he's a soldier

If anything, you're the kiddo if your version of morality is so simplistic that just because Captain America sometimes kills bad guys that means he's somehow not a good guy

>reading comics

But The Punisher was dark and gritty before Nolan did Batman, right?
>not reading
Oh America.

>bad guys

I'm sure they had their own motivations that, to them, justified their actions.

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Haha! Why are you so angry, kiddo? Wipe away those bitter, piss smelling tears, you defensive little queer.

Superman Returns had a stalkish, brooding, deadbeat dad, emo Superman and he still felt like the fun, heroic version anyway.

A few lines of dialogues, a few facial expressions, and MoS would have felt like old school Superman too.

Kinda sad, just listen to this while watching the pic, that's Superman for me.
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And that's how the first half of Man of Steel was, just wish it continued like that instead of turning into another Avengers/Transformers destruction porn movie.

Burton did the dark and gritty Batman before Nolan. Batman 89 is very much grimdark Batman meets wacky Joker.

>he still felt like the fun, heroic version anyway

I wouldn't say that.

Yeah but the cartoony feel of Burton's Batman takes away a lot of the dark gridy feel that Nolan had.

>grimdark Batman
But he smiled and was all around fun to watch.

Superman from golden/silver/ Bronze Age was a moody asshole who spent his time tricking his "friends" into leaving him alone

Jesus superman is from the 1978 movie

>inb4 MoS and BvS is Jesus superman

The film takes time setting it up just to show he's a regular human and not god

What? When did he smile?

I think you're confusing Batman Forever/Batman&Robin with the 2 Burton movies.

>What? When did he smile?
Literally his first appearance.
>I want you to tell your friends about me
>I'm Batman

But he is more or less a God for humans.

You're autistic. Not being able to tell facial expressions is a clear sign of autism.

He crucified the truck to remind us of His sacrifice, 2deep4u based Snyder capekino

It's been a long time since I saw it but I have a clear recollection of him smiling. Are you sure you're not just getting your panties in a knot over nothing?

Supes was never Jebus. He's more like Herc, a half-god. God because he's Kryptonian, man because of his upbringing.

No, wait. I was wrong.

I'm sure.

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Krypton made me super, Earth made me man. I think he said that somewhere.

It makes perfect sense because he will eventually become a villain.

The future scene Flash showed to Batman wasn't alternate reality and the woman Superman lost wasn't his mother, but Lois.

>bring him in
To who? To jail? To destroy Bruce Wayne's empire? You're an idiot.
Did he kick it? I'm pretty sure he just stood there and it bounced off.

>destroys a guy's truck for throwing liquid at him
H-he is a hero

Thank you Snyder

It bounced off his dick, so it was a dick move.

But Earth literally makes him Super

Superman just witnessed Batman literally killing some people. What's idiotic about thinking that Superman should just grab him and fly him to the next police station?

>have dealt with assholes irl
>if they displayed any of the courtesy superman displayed in bvs i'd be fine with it

>Compares action scenes, a nightmare scene, and a scene where he just saw a room full of people go up in flames, to scenes of superman standing around doing nothing and smiling
Yeah, great comparison you fucking mong.

Zack Snyder is a dumbass with delusions. If you want to know exactly what I mean, go watch any interview with him where he talks about his "craft", or about superheroes, then watch the actual films he creates.

He went off on how boring and stupid classic heroes like Superman and Batman are in his Watchmen interviews(a movie which he copied almost directly 1v1 straight from the graphic novel and still manage to misinterpret. Every change was made for the worse.) Moore wrote a tense Cold War Era nuclear paranoia analog that made most of us question the nature of our superhero worship the very nature of power, yet all ole Zack attack picked up on was "mature" superheroes stuff with murder and rape.

Zack Snyder took Superman, the most archetypal superhero and made him a brooding asshat. What's worse, is that he did it in the most contrived ways possible. The tornado death of his adoptive father is the perfect analogy for Snyder's shit: needless noisy, packed with horrible CGI, ignores all laws of reality(even just near a tornado there are extreme wind gusts powerful enough to move cars and certainly powerful enough to knock a fat Kevin Costner off of one foot, massive hail, and, depending on where its been, razor sharp debris. Victims don't just vanish in a melodramatic cloud of "wind". They're violently ripped away.) and somehow completely misses the point of the original.

Superman can move fucking mountains. He can fly. He is omnipotence personified, yet even he is powerless to stop something as simple as a heart attack. For everything he can do, he can't save his father. Why is Superman a boy scout? Because he's playing a role he's not comfortable with. His father's death left him with enough guilt that he spends the rest of his life trying to make up for that failure. Imagine that fall. Imagine KNOWING that you can do EVERYTHING, and then learning in the most painful way that you can't. THAT'S the power of the heart attack scene. It's so fucking human.

>Bruce Wayne
>face of the Wayne Empire
>Hero of Gotham
>Also, Batman, a symbol of men trying to do good
>killing hired thugs working for Lexcorp, a corrupt organization

>But more often that not Jesus was a nice guy
I want to avoid sounding like an edgy 13 year old atheist but read the NT before saying this, please.

Around 0:05-0:06, he brings his foot up to send it into a spin.

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Them be wise words.

>Superman from golden/silver/ Bronze Age was a moody asshole who spent his time tricking his "friends" into leaving him alone

Uh, no?

Thugs shoot at Batman with a minigun.
Batman fucks them up.
I have no problems with that.

>Superman just witnessed Batman literally killing some people.

Did he though? I mean I guess Superman has a problem with Batman but what about these guys using military grade weapons on civilian streets, this doesn't bother superman at all?

>only an edgy, 13 year old atheist would tell someone to read the Bible
Huh.

> but a yellow sun literally makes him super
stop typing

>oh he's a popular tycoon that means he's above the law and can kill people at will
>hero of gotham and symbol of men trying to do good

Yeah because that's how Supes saw him. Not as a dangerous, violent vigilante but as a hero.

>he killed people that were established to the audience as bad guys therefor Superman should be opkay with Batman killing them

You are a retarded child and for all we know Superman didn't even know who those people were. Even if they were child murderers Superman would never be okay with people just killing them instead of them being in front of a judge. Fuck off mate you don't know what you're talking about.

I never understood the tornado scene. In the original his father dies of a heart attack or something, and it shows that Superman cant save everyone.
But he can literally save his father from that tornado without being noticed. His father doesn't even need to go get the dog, Clark could've just gotten into the car, been flung out of there and claim that he miraculously survived after the car landed.

this

But you don't understand. Papa Kent was plagued by the horses every night. He had to silence the horses.

Did you confuse the word "Superman" and "Batman" and if so should you ask your teacher for remedial reading

>military grade weapon
Piers Morgan is that you?

Nice. But anyway, all Clark needs to do to see his dad again is build it and he will come.

> All-Star Superman is canon
It's a great read user but it's not "the original."

>Even if they were child murderers Superman would never be okay with people just killing them instead of them being in front of a judge
Tell that to Zods snapped neck.

But that's not what I said. He is literally super because he's on Earth, if he was on Krypton he'd just be a common kryptonian. Earth didn't make Jor-El "human", so saying that Earth made Clark human is just weird

Superman is from Kansas. Tornadoes are from Kansas. Heart attacks are lame. Tornadoes are awesome(just see that kickass movie Twister for proof). Look, we can go all day, but that Call of Duty isn't going to play itself, now shoot the scene.

This argument is dead. Bury it.

Then why do they like guardians of the Galaxy?

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That's how his father dies in the smallville series and in the Superman 1978 movie, isnt is? Or at least something similar.

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But that's normies, user. Normies like it. That's why it made so much money.

oh yeah I forgot that the punisher represented all comic book movies made before batman begins.

I was just trying to sound fancy, pls no bully

He means the original film.

True, true, tornados are cool, mr Snyder

Yea pretty much. He wasn't a dark character but he sure wasn't a happy go lucky guy.

Source; golden/ silver/ Bronze Age comics

How did you get that salty?

>Superman gains his powers from our yellow sun
>yellow gives him powers
>he needs the world to be yellow to give him his godlike powers
>maybe some kind of filter that turns his world yellow would also to it...

superman returns retained that vibe because they were trying so hard to emulate the Donner films, and that movie went into production before batman begins came out.

Its ok, user, I do the same some times.

Normies don't post "dance off bro" a thousand times on Vietnamese sock puppet message boards

MOS was fucked the moment Russel Crowe started up with his boring line delivery. He apparently didn't have the charisma Brando had and isn't unique like him either.