Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1784

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僕の作ったスレはこれが最後のだ

ちょろい

>be sick all week long
>totally fucked up
>headache and shit so I couldn't do my reps
>still sick but feel slightly better
>600 reviews

Lend me your strength DJT.
God shit like this always fucks me and my progress up, I think I'm not going to make it guys.

>headache and shit so I couldn't do my reps
Excuses.

>600 reviews
What sort of weak cunt are you? Even if you're slow as shit that's only 2 hours or so.

>What sort of weak cunt are you? Even if you're slow as shit that's only 2 hours or so.
Welp user I wouldn't cry if I was healthy again.

>Excuses
I rarely ever get sick, but if I do I'm completely knocked out.

Oh well shouldn't have blogposted here in the first place.

>「私、栄子さんがあまりやかましく言うものですから、お目にかかってもしかたがないと思いながら、うかがったわけでございますけれど。」
>池田さんはむしろ反抗の調子だった。
>「しかし、こうしてうかがいますのには、私も前から絹子さんに悠一さんとは別れた方がいいと言っておりますし、お父さまにお会いして、別れさせることに協力するようになっても、それはよろしいと思いますの」
Bit unsure of how には is being used here. Can anyone shed some light on it? Same speaker, 池田, in both quotes.

just turn off new cards and catch up over a couple days it's not a big deal

Does she continue talking after that? If it stops there I think it's slightly awkward

誰も豪州人ですか?

>うかがいますの
Nominalizing の

>Noun+に
I suppose you know what it means already

Well, the conversation goes on, but the quote ends there.

Is there a way to separate new cards and review cards in Anki?

But is it the same person who talks next?

In anki settings you can set it to do new cards before or after reviews

Thank you

Not immediately. I'll post the following stuff.
>「はあ」
>「栄子さんはお父さまに御恩があるし、悠一さんの奥さまに同情して。」
>「いい奥さまですもの。」と栄子さんは口をはさんだ

It's お父さま saying はあ basically

Okay well I don't know but basically I would expect こうして伺いますのには to pair with something like という理由がある in which case it's basically the same as こうして伺った理由は but I don't really know what's going on

Yea, I was thinking that as well. Let's see, maybe a native speaker comes to help

HELP

I've made a custom study deck (last 9 dys forgotten card) and, the deck has 224 "new cards" and 98 "to review".

Most of them have Again (1m) and Good (End), but some of them have regular SRS times.

Isn't this deck supposed to run in a parallel universe where no cards are pushed back?

Do you pronounce じょ as jyo or jo ?
Wikipedia says it's jo but Take Kim says it's jyo.
Thanks in advance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana

>>こうしてうかがいますのには
to be honest, even with some contexts I suppose, I'm not sure of this.

even so, his explanation is very helpful. perhaps, she meant なぜあえてうかがいますかといいますと or something

Alright, I'll not worry about it too much then. Thanks for the answer.

No. Get out aussie fag

Both of you are fucking weab faggots just get a fucking life

learnjapanesethehardway.blogspot.com.au/ for previous lesson

Adjectival Nouns #2

健康な子ども kenkou na kodomo - a healthy child
公の事実 ooyake no jijitsu - a public fact

健康 ケンコウ kenkou is comprised of 健 ケン which means healthy, health, strength or persistence, and 康 コウ which means ease or peace. The main radical in 健 looks like 亻ジン man, but it is in fact 化 ばける change, take the form of, influence, enchant, delude, which is comprised of 亻man and 匕 spoon. To see the etymological root of this word you can turn to the commonly used word 化学 カガク chemistry. The study of a 亻man with a 匕 spoon, mixing things and bringing about change. Incidentally, 学 ガク shows 子ども コドモ children under a 冖 roof who 尚 シュウ still have some ways to go.

The second radical is 廴 long stride, which we encountered in our last lesson. The last radical is 聿 イチ or the writing brush radical. This ⺕ radical means pigs head, but in some kanji it also means hand. In the 聿 brush on a page radical a hand is literally holding a brush and making ニ two strokes.

健 can be thought of as a 化 bringer of change (physician/trainer) 聿 marking down your 廴 walking efforts on a page. You will most often find this kanji in words to do with health, hygiene and sanitation.

康 コウ means ease or peace. 康 contains this ヨ radical which is difficult to translate. ヨ evolved from 與, which is no longer used in Japanese except in names. 與 has a variety of readings and meanings, however one is especially pertinent in this case, 與 can be used as 'and', in the case of 山與水 shān yǔ shuǐ mountains and water. In the case of 康, the 广 cliff ヨ and the 水 water bring peace to those who stand beneath it.

In summary, 健康 is that physical and mental health from being 健 physically healthy and hygienic and 康 mentally at peace.

Cont'd.

Thanks. Really enjoying these lessons.

I'm probably gonna feel retarded after this, but could someone help me suss out this hand written kanji?
教室の暑さに ? えらなかったんだ

公 オオヤケ is pretty straightforward (remember that because the kanji stands alone this is the kun'yomi reading, so you just need to learn the word). Comprised of the radical 八 eight and 厶 private, it shows an 八 open roof under which 厶 private matters are dealt with. The on'yomi is コウ or ク. This kanji deals with words that involve the public, government duties or government officials.

事実 ジジツ is comprised of 事 ジ and 実 ジツ. 事 is actually quite straightforward, but is difficult to explain conceptually. 事 can be thought of as a matter (like a serious matter, a serious incident/event), but it has many English synonyms, crisis, situation, affair, business, occurrence etc. 事 can be used in all these English senses. It is made up of the radicals 一 one,亅 hook, 口 mouth and ヨ this one, whatever it means in this sense. 事 is actually derived from 史 history and 之 of, this (which was later simplified into の, as in 公の事実). From this we can determine that in this sense亅 does not represent a hook, but rather a brush or writing implement. So the 口 mouth and the 手 or ヨ are connected to the 亅 brush to inform us of a matter, fact, business or reason.

実 is easy. Comprised of 士 scholar, 大 big and 宀 roof, you can see that the 大 great 士 scholars sitting together under one 宀 roof are revealing the truth/reality of our existence (doing science stuff). The シ・ジ sound from 士 scholar is incorporated into the ジツ of 実.

公の事実 - a public fact

And if you are a fan of 武道 and 忍術, there is a practice called 虚実 キョジツ which is techniques to deceive the enemy using truth and falsehood (虚 untruth).

Tune in tomorrow for another lesson.

>can kind of understand songs if I have subtitles
I feel like I'm actually starting to get somewhere. Without subtitles its really hard though since they can pronounce each hiragana/katakana individually so you really have to pay attention.

耐える

Well, I did it anyway, looks like nothing changed on the main deck.

Feels good, only got 3 wrong.

I hope this brings back my retention up a little, been on a slippery slope of daily reviews building up.

Me too, that started to click when I was around 4k into Core.

But the strangest feeling is singing a song you know by heart (I for one memorized a lot of songs in romaji) and being able to notice what the words you're singing mean IN REAL TIME.

When you started writing these posts with a lesson about adjectival nouns, I thought I was in for an enlightening, but you've done nothing but kanji etymology for 21390123 posts now.

This too

It's also really hard to hear voiced and unvoiced pronunciation.

>ko, go
>ta, da
>shi, ji
>ge, ke

For some reason those are the top ones that come to mind.

And then I think how difficult North American Pop would be to foreigners.

>It's also really hard to hear voiced and unvoiced pronunciation.
That could be because, as a native English speaker, most of your consonants are hard as fuck, and Japanese will say them as soft Ks and Gs, throwing your voicing-meter off balance.

Saw an American dood saying he couldn't pronounce "shi" like a Japanese and it blew my mind.

I can't get が, sometimes I hear as a "nnga" kind of sound. Usually like how ですが is pronounced but not in that situation.

I hear it as a hard GA when used as a particle but it blends way more into actual words like 東, sounding like hingashi to me.

Maybe I'm crazy.

No, you're correct, that happens because they speak with their noses and it's way more comfortable to say it that way.

Depending on where the G appears on the sentence, even if it's a starting sound, it might get palatalized because of a preceding vowel.

Gakkou ni ikkou will sound pretty G-y, but "Sono gakkou ni ikkou" will already sound like sono ngakkou.

>learn 51 syllables and you can pronounce anything

It's one thing to hear but another to remember to speak like that.

Something interesting a Japanese friend pointed out to me this year was that Japanese pronounce Santa better than English speakers who almost always slur it to something like "Sanna"

Once I've locked down a few radical concepts the lessons should proceed more quickly. Understanding kanji is critical to learning Japanese. Doesn't matter how much grammar you know if you can't read kanji.

Previously learned kanji will also start to crop up more often, increasing the speed of the lessons.

Lesson plan is as follows:

Introduction to adjectival nouns used as noun modifiers: 14 examples with approx 40 kanji (we have covered 4 examples with give or take 10 kanji + some tangents).

健康な子ども a healthy child

Adjectival nouns used as predicates: 5 examples with 10 kanji

あの辞書は便利だ。でも、これは便利じゃない。That dictionary is handy. However, this one is not.

Adjectival nouns and predicative phrases: 12 examples with 16 kanji

この辺りは安全だそうだ。They say that this neighborhood is safe.

Adjectival nouns used as nouns: 6 examples with 10 kanji

社長は淡々と話しました。The company president spoke coolly.

Adjectival nouns used as adverbs: 3 examples with 8 kanji

この写真は綺麗に取れています。 This photograph was taken beautifully.

Adjectival nouns used as complements: 6 examples 10 kanji

彼は私たちに親切にしてくれました。He treated us kindly.

Special types of adjectival nouns: 9 examples 14 kanji

堂々たる勝利。 A splendid victory.


At the end of these lessons, you should have a solid grasp of adjectival nouns and how to use them as well as being able to read in excess of 100 kanji. Additionally you will be able to recognise over a thousand other kanji by radicals alone.

計画通り

More like "senra".

I'll take rote memorization over mnemonics any day, sorry. But I intend doing some kanji study once I'm done learning all the joyo, so don't worry.

play as entertainment of the intervals of the study and come to our thread

I had a look at JT, seems like there are a lot more people who can speak Japanese very well.

I don't know how interested Japanese would be in Japanese etymology.

>finally got around to making a Lang-8 account
>spent about 5 hours correcting random English journal entries

I don't know why I did that, but I probably should have studied Japanese instead.

I never know what to fill it with.

>see English corrections
>full of mistakes

I imagine those are the people that teach English.

I mean with a shitty definition of "better" you could say that I guess

More correct then I guess

But even when I hear a Japanese person say, "Santa", it sounds really over emphasized like, SAN TAH.

That's a common problem of mine - I give too much and receive too little in most communities I enter.

That's why I nowadays make a conscious effort to stay away from peer groups where I don't profit enough to justify my stay.

I really like to help people, and I could do it to days on end, but in the end you're just bleeding yourself for others if there isn't a balance..

>my retention went from 15% to 27% today

What the hell? Why is retention so low?

>only 40 minutes of vocab in anki even after new cards
i did it
i'm finally free

At least as long as I don't try to overreach and watch multiple episodes of tv a day

what would be an average retention rate?

>I don't know how interested Japanese would be in Japanese etymology.
Least of all not from someone who isn't even a native or fluent in their language.

Stop with this meme.

Native speaking and knowledge of language are two completely different things. Japanese don't know Japanese etymology because they don't study it, just as English people don't know English etymology because they don't study it.

75-85%? That's what I see most people with when they post their stats.

>tfw successfully remembered 10 hirigana

ez shit man, 2000 kanji here I come

Well done you're 0.001% done on your path to fluency.

Basically there

youtu.be/Y2_L71lFItk?t=275

Not even natives know 100 hiragana, dude, you must be a brainiac.

I've watched this episode. Love this guy, really interesting to see what China is like behind the mass media.

I don't want to be Japanese, but I've never had that kind of reaction from a Japanese person. That being said, Japanese are very two-faced and won't tell you to your face what they are really thinking. Though, that thought never really bothered me.

The point stands though. this sort of reaction is the same shit I got when I was teaching martial arts a few years ago. I started teaching when I was 21 with 16 years of martial arts experience and older people used to rock up to my dojo expecting some 70 year old Japanese guy and scoffing at the thought of training under someone younger.

You can't judge a book by its cover. Age, gender, nationality have nothing to do with knowledge. In fact most people who are really skilled at Japanese are foreigners, because most Japanese don't really have that much interest in their own language besides utilising it for communication.

When I was in the Navy I served under an officer who was 5 years my junior, but I had to call him sir and show respect. At first it was a little galling, because the guy was in some respects really just a kid (and acted like one), but he knew his job and had earned his rank. I can only imagine what a 60 year old senior Navy Warrant Officer feels like having to 'Sir' people 40 years their junior (actually they probably don't feel anything because they have long stopped caring).

In any case. My point stands. Stop looking at Japanese as this font of linguistical knowledge, they aren't. They may have attended a Japanese school and gone through the system, but they have zero experience teaching or knowing how to explain the nuances of their own language because they never learned how to.

/rant

How do I make Anki give me 20 cards but not all at once? I'd rather just do 5 then another 5 an hour later.
I can't deal with only seeing them once and then reviewing, I can't even remember the one I saw 4 cards earlier like what the fug man

more like 0.000000001%
t. at 0.00000001% right now

Set it to 5 then, once you're ready to do 5 more, under custom study use "increase today's new card limit" by 5. Rinse and repeat as desired.

A word of caution, because you're doing them in short blocks you mind find that as the days pass your retention is lower because you're only using a very small amount of short term memory. I recommend also adopting Custom Study -> Review Forgotten Cards by how many ever days you want every day (or as often as you find comfortable).

>Studied 1011 cards in 90 minutes today.
Jesus Christ.
And this is going to get worse before it gets better.


I think I'm gonna die.

>finished grammar book
>still can't understand anything
i am できない

That's not how you use 出きる.

Though I will help you with your problem. The main issue is context. Grammar without context is useless. You need to build yourself up and internalise concepts.

This thread scoffed at my () lesson plan because it was going to take weeks if not months (which it will) to learn and study, but once it is done you will be a master of adjectival nouns.

English speakers don't realise how important that grammatical structure is, because they don't recognise it in everyday speech, but you can say a whole shitload of complicated things using adjectival nouns.

Like okay, take this example.

このアパートはあまり静かじゃないそうです。 Kono apaato wa amari shizuka ja nai sou desu. I heard that his apartment is not very quite.

このアパートは - pretty straight forward - this apartment subject
あまり静かじゃない - not very quiet (predicative phrase)
そうです - is (hearsay - I heard such and such)

HANG ON A MINUTE! What happened to the -na -no shit you were talking about before! Well shit nigga, dis be real life yo. Depending on the -na or -no ending and the nature of the predicative phrase has an impact on whether you need to use the -na or -no linkages.

Here is the thing. Japanese will let this shit slide, and do it themselves as well. There are rules, but you can break that shit and most people will understand you. Japanese don't correct gaijin unless you specifically ask them to (which you should), but you can get away with this kinda stuff all the time.

Hell, most Japanese don't even follow these Japanese rules themselves.

You aren't going to learn this shit in one reading! You aren't going to learn it in 10 readings! You need to at least experience this grammatical structure 10000 times before it becomes ingrained (that's a lot of reading).

Don't get down on yourself. Japanese is hard. Any language is hard. Niggers who say they learned Japanese in a year are liars.

アニメが好きな人はロリコンになった

Hey, Dick, mind using kana instead of romaji? Makes it easier on the eyes, and better for the brain.

he literally gives you both

the romaji is for when he spaces it out for retards like me to better see what's going on, despite already knowing kana

Some people can't read kana or the kanji readings. Romaji saves me doing a kana version AND a romaji version. But, I get what you are saying. Romaji is a crutch and doesn't help learning. I agree.

Another issue is spacing. Spaced Japanese becomes stupidly long.

この アパート は あまり しずかじゃない そう です。

Maybe I should just -

ｺﾉ ｱﾊﾟｰﾄ ﾊ ｱﾏﾘ ｼｽﾞｶｼﾞｬﾅｲ ｿｳ ﾃﾞｽ｡ (Actually that is even worse lol)

You see what I'm getting at...

>Kono apaato wa amari shizuka ja nai sou desu.
>この・アパート・は・あまり・しずか・じゃない・そう・です。

I guess it does become a bit longer. Maybe there's no silver bullet. Ah well.

More exposure to kana isn't a bad thing. Eventually you'll get to the point where reading it is just as quick as reading something in English and you only get there by exposure.

For those of you who practice writing and recall with anki, how many [new / old] cards do you review per day? How many cards did you review per day during the initial stages of your studies? In retrospect, what is a practical number of cards to review per day with respect to writing and recall?

loling
so many Aussies come to our thread
but i can't find you
Are you masturbating in this thread?
dull teacher can teach only dull students
いや、腐女子も多い

Looks like you were taught by a dull English teacher, mate.

nope
My occupation is a lawyer.
Why don't you know me?
Masturbate forever
JT welcomes anyone except you

I'm originally from Sup Forums and was a regular contributor to DJT. I think it would be disloyal to jump ship now.

leave Sup Forums to /jp/
or
go back to Sup Forums

I updated to FF 47 because youtube was broken on FF 44. Big mistake, it broke Rikaisama.

Does anyone have a solution to how to fix this? I press the Rikaisama button but nothing happens. After searching google and the archive, some people say the problem is electrolysis/e10s. How do you disable this? Has anyone else had this problem?

I think you missed what I was implying. I'm not even the guy you're ass blasted about. Anyway, with an attitude like that no one's going to come sucking your dick, mate. That is, if they could even find it.

in the address bar, type about:config and press enter. Void your warranty, then search for browser.tabs.remote.autostart and set it to false. Restart and see if that fixes it. (It probably won't but it's worth a punt)

Didn't work mate. Thanks for the help though. Might have to just downgrade back to FF 44 and take the hit of losing youtube.

Or just downgrade further down so youtube works too and stop updating if nothing is broken

>Use Heisig for Kanji
>Use Tae Kim and other resources for grammar
>Use audiobooks for speaking, and doing an evening class soon
>Use Memrise for both kanji and speaking
>Reading Yotsubato for practice

I'm probably going to sizable gaps in my knowledge since this is a little haphazard. Is Anki really worthwhile to pick up? It confused me a little and I found Memrise easier to navigate.

Anki is almost crucial to learning, and here's why:

>Ability to add your own cards easily from source text with rikaisama
>Ability to add cards from subtitles of chinese cartoons and dramas with sub2srs
>Ability to sync across multiple devices for offline use
>Customisable cards, can have graphics and/or audio, furigana, stroke order, whatever you want
>Extendable with plugins
>Many user-made decks specifically designed to help with learning Japanese (Vocab decks, grammar decks, kanji decks that match RTK, Tae Kim decks)
>More control over study, can increase today's card limit, review forgotten cards, tag cards and review only tagged cards, etc
>Ankidroid on android is free as in freedom and free as in beer

It might look intimidating at first to set up but follow the guide and give it a fair chance.

Downgrading back to FF 44 fixed it... and also youtube somehow. Probably won't be upgrading it again, security updates be damned. Wish mozilla would stop screwing up their browser.

>Use Heisig for Kanji
I can't recommend Heisig really, when you do isolated kanji study you should learn some reading ideally by learning 2-3 words written with said kanji.
Knowing 火 is fire doesn't mean you can read it when you encounter it.

>Use Tae Kim and other resources for grammar
thats fine

>Use audiobooks for speaking, and doing an evening class soon
What are you using if I may ask?

>Use Memrise for both kanji and speaking
Anki and Memrise both are okay imo and yeah anki really is complicated but it's customizable and the most important thing it's the most efficient time wise.

>Reading Yotsubato for practice
Have fun!

...

>Knowing 火 is fire doesn't mean you can read it when you encounter it
Do you mean when it becomes a radical within other kanji or generally? I find knowing both an initial and primitive semantic meaning helps with working out other kanji. Of course, reading is separate. Is there a good resource for kanji compounds/words beyond just reading as you go?

>What are you using if I may ask?
Michel Thomas Method Japanese
youtube.com/results?search_query=michel thomas japanese

I guess I should give Anki a second chance. I downloaded a bunch of card packs but found the desktop program less intuitive to operate. I might just do a clean wipe and start from fresh with cards.

Will learning Japanese help my muscle gains?

Yeah the brain muscle.

Never skip brain day faggot.

Would it be a good idea to learn words before learning the kanji for those words?

It seems like it's much easier to remember new kanji if you've learnt the word it's attached to before.

I hate Anki so much

It's ALWAYS easier to learn something if you have a "connection" with it already, some familiarity or way to tie it to something you already know. You can focus on it better and it has some meaning to you.

Unfortunately, unless you do radical study it's a long process to become familiar with kanji easily since you're essentially starting from scratch. This is one of the reasons why there are so many different individual kanji study methods.

初荷

What the hell does "first cargo of the year" even refer to?

I'm currently learning 30 new cards (~10 vocabs) everyday right now. I want to learn more, but feel like adding more new vocabs per day in my coredeck might not work out for me.
is it worth looking into heisig? and does it go well along with anki? i mean, does heisig's presentation go well along with a flashcard memorization style?

it's 20 bucks and I'm not sure whether it might be a good addition to my workbooks and core6k anki deck

What would you like to see changed?

I want it to connect my onahole and vibrate whenever I get an answer right

>rewarding correct answers
>not punishing wrong answers
How about if you get it right your dick doesn't get electrocuted.

Damn son I need something like this.
Then again my retention is so bad I would already day the same day I start using this.