Stravinsky's long lost work edition >Lost Stravinsky Funeral Song - World Premiere on Dec 2, 2016 >"Stravinsky's long-lost work, Funeral Song, will be broadcast live on medici.tv this Friday."
plebs go like "they invented something much better, with much more possibilities to put feeling and colour in the tone, but I'm gonna stick with the good old harpsichord because I'm too lazy in my head to find pleasure in something new" fucking noobs
Chase Martinez
Bach would have played his music on the damn piano if he had one.
Luis Gutierrez
Reminder that Wagner is shit because all music is absolute music.
Bach while high on God > Bach on alcohol > Bach on weed
Christian Morales
Wagner is still great then actually.
Lincoln Price
so what do you call music that isn't absolute if it isn't music?
Ayden Anderson
>because all music is absolute music. I mean, most people seem to just listen to the orchestral excerpts without knowing anything about the operas themselves, so I think he's still fine in that regard.
I don't know if I would call him a sociopath, but he certainly wasn't an antisemite in the way that we think of antisemites today (and antisemitic attitudes were extremely common in Europe in Wagner's time). He had a lot of Jewish friends, and even in his book where he criticizes Jews the most, he primarily wants them to have a radical assimilation into society.
And although he owed a lot of influence to Liszt (the influence goes both ways, btw) in terms of harmony, he owes a large amount of the rest of his style to French grand opera (Meyerbeer/Halevy)
Brayden Thomas
Why do we have theads focused on Bach and Mozart but not Beethoven?
Liam Richardson
I disagree. I think he would have been a major Sup Forums poster. Richard Wagner would post Pepe memes on Sup Forums Sup Forums.
Jose Ramirez
>he certainly wasn't an antisemite in the way that we think of antisemites today
“I hold the Jewish race to be the born enemy of pure humanity and everything noble in it.” - Richard Wagner
Yeah, I really wonder what he meant by this.
Jordan Wood
Any one knows where i can find it?
Owen Martinez
he actually foreshadows the holocaust. In "Das Judenthum in der Musik" he asks openly the politicians of the future to solve the problem permanently
Thomas Adams
>He had a lot of Jewish friends Oh Jesus FUCK I mean FUCK OFF THE ELECTIONS WERE A MONTH AGO
Brandon Richardson
I think a theoretical modern Wagner would probably be shitposting the most about Islam. Wagner was a hardline pacifist and one of his key issues with the Jews of his day were their fanaticism with their God, who he largely interpreted as a God of War.
He would've had a field-day with Islam.
That quote is from his Twilight years, and in those days he was suffering from a great deal of mental fatigue as he was constantly barraged by extreme migraines.
I don't think someone who honestly took that quote to its logical conclusion would have let Hermann Levi, a Jew, premiere Parsifal.
Jacob Johnson
Rutracker, Soulseek, blogs, archive or [spoiler]Amazon[/spoiler]
Lincoln Russell
fuck off
Hudson Powell
>you irl
Nathaniel Ross
>spoiler tags don't work Damn but you can totally spoil music
Kayden Cooper
That's where you need to start, but stopping there is a waste.
William Edwards
You forgot WCD. Oh wait...
Nolan Long
>implukomh there is anything wrong with antisemitism
Landon Roberts
The first conductor of Parsifal was Jewish.
Nolan Johnson
Well I'm sorry for trying to help
Cameron Evans
name one thing you did today besides annoy me
Chase Allen
Dumb anime poster pls go
Robert Long
Wagner takes issue with capitalism and the exploitation of workers while the fat cats prosper. He saw Jews as the fat cats and so attacked them when really he was just trying to address the social problems of industrialism
Landon White
I wish anime poster would be b& 4ever. You know it's the same person every time.
Christopher Carter
nice revisionism you nazi faggot
Thomas Sanchez
I had a really good fap
Leo Ramirez
Are you telling me he was a dirty commie? That's even worse.
Liam Kelly
americans are pathetic desu
Wyatt Bennett
No, Wagner was just a bit stupid and tried to appear a lot cleverer than he was (with things like philosophy, economics etc.) by spouting shit about things he didn't really understand and then refusing to back down or change his opinions.
The Jewish question is an example of this
Nathan Watson
If you read the perfect Wagnerite, Shaw suggests that Wagner intended for Siegfried to be something of a Bakunian figure, sweeping away hierarchies and dogmas.
And Wagner was involved in socialist circles when he lived in Dresden and had to flee because he got involved (in a minor role) in the May uprising in '49
Matthew Myers
>Wagner was just a bit stupid kek here you dropped your dumb frog you pathetic piece of shit
Liam Roberts
he took care of the weapons (grenades) for a riot, I think this is really funny
Jackson Kelly
Boulez proves that Debussy and Bartok were the real deal Modernist composers
No neoclassical, serialist, or degenerate bullshit
Just pure music, like Mozart or Bach
His Brahms opinion is stupid though
Tyler Russell
Mann and Adorno both call him a dilettante when it comes to basically anything that isn't music - and they're not too far wrong - and Nietzsche (in a different way) suggests something similar
James Flores
I don't really care what Adorno has to say about anything, to be honest.
Luis Brooks
right because Adorno has never been accused of sensationalism
Joseph Campbell
Name one good female composer.
Note: Bingen, Neuwirth, Seeger, Oliveros, Radigue, etc. are not good female composers.
Joshua Hernandez
Mann was the one who said it first desu, Adorno just riffed off it
Liam Hughes
Carreño i like her string quartet
Aaron Hill
>taking philosophers opinions on music seriously
Giant faggots desu, they wish they could be like Wagner
Liam Long
There is exactly one.
David Perry
>Seeger >not good Pleb. Also Saariaho
Ian Lee
Alright, im gonna give wagner a spin for the first time. hope for the best
Benjamin Adams
I understand this reference.
Logan Allen
Seeger is the worst representative for female composers of all time. Didn't she take like a 20 year break cause it was too hard? Jesus, how pathetic does it get? Do you think Beethoven took a single day off in his life?
Saariaho is a meme.
Isaac Howard
>Do you think Beethoven took a single day off in his life? he was deaf and he didn't even like music which is why he was angry all the time
Gabriel Campbell
Actually he was just insane.
Jeremiah Nelson
so writing the libretti of all these operas was the work of a stupid man?
Adam Sullivan
Great musical insight.
Landon Phillips
what´s better, the english or the french suites?
Daniel Jones
I have 5 invites.
James Gray
Fuck off normie
David Robinson
I know you guys hate meme pieces but what's the best recording of Rite of Spring?
>Stravinsky or Boulez over Markevitch No user, you fuck off.
David Powell
>stravinsky conducts stravinsky *Robert Craft
Lucas Mitchell
>Memekevitch vs a GOAT conductor or the composer himself
yeah, you're retarded
Jordan Hernandez
>vs a GOAT conductor sounds like a goat, too
Sebastian Robinson
>GOAT conductor >Boulez >Stravinsky >great conductor >either over one of the most intense performances of the piece What's it like having no taste?
Easton James
>What's it like having no taste? you tell me
Chase Flores
damn...
Adrian Robinson
>you tell me What did he mean by this?
Ian Miller
Stravinsky was a self-admitted mediocre conductor, and on the Columbia recordings Robert Craft was the one thoroughly preparing the orchestras. Stravinsky was old and tired and basically just went in there and waved a wand around while the orchestra played Craft's interpretation
It's still a perfectly fine recording, but Stravinsky's name was only put on there for marketing. If you listen to older recordings of him conducting the piece, it sounds quite different.
Honestly, though, being anal about which recording to choose for this meme piece is stupid. Tons of Rites are incredibly homogeneous with one another, and that's because everyone does a mostly pretty good job recording the piece. In my opinion you can pick any fucking recording and be satisfied.
Hunter Martin
>In my opinion you can pick any fucking recording and be satisfied. this stop arguing over nothing
Jason Evans
How do you guys find good recordings to buy? Right now I'm just browsing spotify trying to find the best one. Dvorak's 7th if anyone already knows.
Nolan Young
I listen to them before buying htem.
Aaron Reed
>not having recording autism I bet you don't tag your music either.
Angel Wright
Kertesz is a good choice for Dvorak
Henry Hill
I've never actually gone to /out/ but I wonder if they get annoyed about people from other boards telling them to go there
Dylan Williams
I think recording autism is valid with some compositions more than others. You can find a million different interpretations for a Beethoven Sonata, and a lot of them can sound quite different, but for some compositions like Rite a lot of them just sound the same to me.
Jacob Watson
how can a composer fuck up on the interprettation of his own piece? Doesn't make sense senpai
Jaxon Kelly
just because you're a composer doesn't mean you're a good performer.
Elijah Collins
I get that but how is interprettation "performance". Most of it is done in rehearsal and involves manipulating various dynamics to render a final product. One would think that the composer would have ultimate say on how the piece should sound.
Brayden Young
>One would think that the composer would have ultimate say on how the piece should sound. >trusting the composer >ever
Evan Thompson
conveying intentions to an orchestra, (and an orchestra responding properly in kind) is one of the hardest things about conducting. it was a famously hard issue that Carlos Kleiber had, for example.
you can say, do X, Y, and Z, but the output can be different from your intended input. if you have no ear for intonation, dynamics, or you miss various flubs and mistakes (orchestra not being together, etc), then arguably this is a pretty big distortion of the intention.
in Bruckner's defense, he did tell conductors to just "do whatever lmao"