So... C. Ronaldo is apparently the GOAT because he won an international tittle even when he missed the final and Portugal still won, but Messi isn't because Argentina didn't in 4 finals. Iniesta (won everything Messi did plus 2 Euros and a WC) isn't neither because he had a staked team and he is a system baby/Messi baby. Besides he isn't famous enough in Uzbekistan, so no Ballon d'or for him.
>Xavi See Iniesta (as soon as Xavi became old Spain became shit).
>Ronaldinho Won everything, but since his peak lasted "only" 6 years (2002-2007) he can't be considered GOAT. Also he's apparently a YouTube baby.
>Zidane See Ronaldinho, but switch "short peak" for "inconsistent".
>Ronaldo Won everything but the CL, with 2 WC and like 3 Copa América + 2 Ballon d'or when it wasn't a popularity contest, can't be considered because of "no CL" and because Stats babies consider he wasn't a good goalscorer since he didn't score 5 goals to Granada.
>Rivaldo Won literally everything, but not marketable enough and "Ronaldo baby".
>Maradona Carried Argentina to a WC final which they actually won, and won 2 serie A and UEFA cup. But no CL, and no continental cup. Also cheater and took drugs.
>Paolo Rossi Won everything but the euro. But: Not famous enough.
>Beckenbauer/Muller Won literally everything, delivered in league, European Cup and WC. But, literally cheated by injecting their own blood.
Pre-70's football was a joke, so I'm not talking about Pelé/Garrincha/Di Stefano/Puskas.
So... Who's the GOAT? Are finals what matter? Would Messi be the Goat if Palacio/Higuain were as good as Eder?
Aiden Richardson
>a team (featuring neither Ronaldo or Messi) beat another team (featuring neither Ronaldo or Messi) >this somehow makes Ronaldo better than Messi
Connor Reed
When Ronaldo and Messi retire and no one will be able to provide what they do or even come close. Everyone will agree that they're the 2 goats.
Samuel Clark
>Won everything but the CL, with 2 WC and like 3 Copa América + 2 Ballon d'or when it wasn't a popularity contest, can't be considered because of "no CL" and because Stats babies consider he wasn't a good goalscorer since he didn't score 5 goals to Granada.
also Ronaldo has 3 Ballon D'ors technically
Hudson Hill
this. i still remember the time when 30 goals a season was considered incredible.
Gavin Allen
Nah, each generation has a main player, they thought the same about Platini and Maradona, but no one says both were the GOATs
Cameron Rodriguez
Maradona is the GOAT because Burruchaga scored that 2-1 goal against West Germany. If that fucker failed just like Higuain (3 times), then Maradona is forgotten in history.
William Gutierrez
Zidane is the GOAT tobihonest
Noah Mitchell
he is the GOAT of rating
Eli Evans
there's no GOAT u dickhead
Wyatt Garcia
If Messi hadn't scored 92 goals in 2012, Iniesta would have a Ballon d'or and would be considered way better than Zidane.
Oliver Perez
>Iniesta >32 >Disappears vs Italy
>Zidane >34 >Leads his team to the WC final
?????
Charles Parker
lol @ actually believing this
messi is gonna be known as systembabby and penaldo as penaldo
suarez is already outscoring these fags
the "no one" will come close narrative is retarded
Xavier Perry
Suarez is also good for Uruguay
Benjamin Hall
Are you comparing France NT in 2006 with Spain NT? Spain NT is literally Iniesta and 22 players
Asher Sanchez
This is the first season were suarez outscored them, and it has a lot to do with messi being on the team feeding him balls. Come back when suarez scores 50 goals in the league or over 50 goals 5 seasons in a row.
Jaxon Bailey
Barcelona's run on Messi's injury
WON 23 Nov, La Liga - Barcelona 4-0 Granada
LOST 26 Nov, Champions League - Ajax 2-1 Barcelona
WON 6 Dec, Copa del Rey - Cartagena 1-4 Barcelona
WON 11 Dec, Champions League - Barcelona 6-1 Celtic
WON 14 Dec, La Liga - Barcelona 2-1 Villarreal
WON 17 Dec, Copa del Rey - Barcelona 3-0 Cartagena
WON 22 Dec, La Liga - Getafe 2-5 Barcelona
WON 5 Jan, La Liga - Barcelona 4-0 Elche
Charles Wood
>Leads his team to the WC final When will this meme end? Henry carried them in the group stages, Ribery styled Spain in the round of 16, Henry was the one who scored against Brazil (thanks R. Carlos) Inb4 that jewtube video were he does some dribbles and 5m passes in the middle of the field. Then he scored 2 penos against Portugal and Italy and got baited by Materazzi. "he carried France".
Also Iniesta was tired as fuck against Italy, that's what happens when Del Bosque plays the exact same team 4 straight games.
Benjamin Carter
pretty sure the same can be said of 06 french team+they had a shit coach that never won a single trophy in 25 years on the job
Julian Parker
>Granada >Ajax >Cartagena x2 >Celtic >Villarreal >Getafe >Elche So they won against shit teams and Villarreal
Robert Scott
yeah and messi 60 goals a season stats is based on him scored over Chile, Brazil and Uruguay amirite
Bentley Myers
Suarez was knocking in 30+ in average Liverpool and Ajax teams, he is a beast
Jace Mitchell
Xavi was much higher rated.
Thomas Ortiz
No, that's why stats are the worst way to say if a player is good or not. But it feels like sp is too busy shitposting during the matches to watch the actual game.
Gabriel James
im not the one who said >"no one will become close because muh 60 goals a season"
Wyatt King
>French are struggling to qualify for 2006, 4th in the group >Domenech begs him to come back >Returns along with Makelele and Thuram, get 1st in the group Of course Makelele and Thuram were important too but I think when Zidane came back he got captain again immediately, he was clearly the most important player on that team
Who was on the free kick that led to the deciding goal vs Spain? Who assisted Henry for his lone goal? Who scored the final two games?
And yes Del Bosque is shit but he looks like god compared to Domenech
Jose Smith
that's still nowhere messi and ronaldo in their prime. Though what suarez did in his last year for liverpool was crazy.
and if suarez was out barca would lose all these games right? There were times when barca was 100% dependent on messi but now they're not, and it's a good thing.
Liam Miller
suarez wasnt even on that team LMAO
that was the 2013-2014 messi/pedro/neymar barcelona
hahahah
>messifags
Oliver Mitchell
>30+ in average Liverpool and Ajax lolno. only twice in his Ajax/Liverpool career did he score more than 30, and even then he choked in every big game.
Isaiah Myers
I still don't understand how barceolna winning without messi is anyhow relevant
Dylan Morgan
when barcelona smashes kekliga 5-0 every weekend someone is going to score 50 goals a season honey
messi is that guy now, but when he leaves someone takes that spot without any problems
systembabby
Camden Long
you're an idiot.
Austin Torres
You are basing all of that on 8 games that happened two years ago in which barca lost to ajax without messi. Take messi from barca and replace him with pedro from one season and barca will not even finish in the top 2.
Jaxon Butler
as soon as Messi returned for a full match they defeated Roma by 6-0. They're a much better team when he's fit, especially since Munir is fucking awful.
Jaxson Murphy
so they won against shit teams.
ftfy m7
Colton Perez
Not true, remember 2013 when Messi carried that team full of shitters by that time, then he got injured and Bayern 7-0 them.
James Lee
this season when messi got injured neymar scored 10 goals in 9 games and suarez scored 9 in those 9
keep dreaming
obviously they are a better team with him, so is argentina, but he isnt carrying anything on his back as his fans like to tell
Josiah Myers
>Disappears vs Italy "eh heh heh a player disappears in a game that means he isn't as good as people say" - this argument triggers my autism big time, not just for iniesta but for every team with a player that people say disappears.
it's not like he didn't do anything in a game where his team lost and he just sat near the touchline jerking off. spain got dominated in every single aspect of the game. almost everything that goes into winning a game, italy managed perfectly and pretty much cucked spain. every player disappeared.
when a team is playing like shit and the team in front of them is playing very well individuals tend not to shine. even messi tends to have bad games in these situations. some of the most famous players of their generation would have a bad game and disappear in a match, it always happens and it will always happen. every so often a world class player can bail their team out when their team is playing like shit, sure. but thats kind of rare. when you're outplayed you're outplayed.
Aiden Cook
>Barcelona winning against Granada, Cartagena, Getafe and Elfe somehow makes Suarez good
Christian Martinez
>suarez wasnt even playing
Austin Lopez
Ronaldo isn't an international GOAT but he's definitely solidified his position as the GOAT of his country. Now the debates about Figo and Eusebio being greater than him can be put to rest at last.
Gavin Rivera
>paolo rossi >not Gaetano Scirea
John Harris
ITT: Barsa shitters salty about based C. Ronaldo.
Even comparing Iniesta to a pure GOAT as Zidane.
You guys should keep silent for a year after the "#TodosSomosMessi" bullshit.
Only people who thinks cr is better for messi for having an euro are: - Trolls trying to troll messifags - Madridistas/Manchester united fans -portuguese (and butthurt brazilians) -Arabs (just because he criticizes israel) -Fag metrosexual kids that want to be like him -Normies who never watch football other than international cups like WC and euros so they think is all that matter and dont really understand the beautiful game (and havent seen them perform in daily basis).
The big majority of football specialists (other than the one playing the role of the contrariam to spark controversy) and coaches and football fans who follow close the games of both players know Messi is better.
William Wood
Neither is CR carryimg Portugal. Considering being unbeaten and almost no goals scored against is the major argument for portugal winning the euro, rui patricio and pepe carry the team much more than ronaldo
Nathaniel Williams
iniesta > messi
Charles Wilson
>not realising a mix of stats & trophies make you GOAT
