Current year

>current year
>still believing you have true free will

Determinism is reality, people. Nothing you do is your fault, you cannot be held morally responsible for any action since you do not have free will. Science has proven true freedom for us all!

more people need to realize this, it's liberating

Quantum mechanics proves that nothing can be predetermined.

go watch a documentary, kiddo ;^)

I have faggot

naw, don't be questioning the proven facts then.

actually, do whatever you want kek you don't really have a choice

>Determinism is reality

>>claiming to know the true nature of reality

this is our reality, not hypothetical trash

Then why are you trying to convince me to change my mind if I have no control over the outcome of reading your infantile shitpost

there's nothing to change, you would have read this thread regardless of what you "wanted"

Rekt

samefag, maybe tryhard

New troll bread?

the proven facts stand for themselves. Your ideology is as shit-tier as religion.

Lamefag

kek, enjoy your fantasy land

science has freed me and many like me

>[tryhard confirmed]

I don't blame you.

Nice b8 m8 tastes gr8

>no free will
>the act of observation alters the outcome of an event

fuck off.

>trivilizes science fact
>claims """moral""" possibly intellectual high-ground

pls user

if that's true then the origin of your post is deterministic too. And so is the judgment that led to that conclusion. So you would never know whether or not you were correct. See the problem?

>no freedom, everything going according to ideological plan
>"I'm free"

Science has an awful lot to say about non-determinism. Sounds like you drank from the pseudoscience cup.

>no free willy
>the act of integration requires the output to success
>i can green text nonsensical bitterness too

Free will is a result of true random fluctuations at the quantum level.

you're the only one who has a problem with simple facts, open your mind friendo

wow you really showed me

I had no choice

Ok now it's safe to assume you're trolling and I took the bait, well done, goodbye trollman

that act and that alteration were predetermined. To think that a human brain observing something determines the future is the height of hubris. What if an animal looked in a microscope and observed? would it change then? why are humans so special?

fuck off. we were predetermined to have this discussion just like you were predetermined to suck cocks.

trolling or not, the facts remain

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Seeing as you've issued the initial assertion, present your facts for scrutiny.

Source?

scrutinize all you'd like, the internet is your library i'm the puppet

>presents ideological assertion on a discussion forum
>replies to challenge with "Look it up yourself"

Refusal to participate in the debate renders your assertion invalid.

>Nothing you do is your fault
You were a berniebro weren't you?

>"dindu nuffin rong"
Naw I think he's a nigger

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what are you trying to debate?

not op but I don't see where he has said anything incorrectly, I see saltiness tbh

shit happens

>for a reason

>not op
ok op

>whiteknight an ideological claim that lacks evidence
>"Salty"
found the tumblrina

The problem with determinism is that it breaks down somewhere in the past. There would have to have been, at the beginning, a first action, an effect without a cause. Since we know determinism cannot explain that, we are left to wonder what else it doesn't explain even if it seems to do so.

But even if determinism were completely true, then it's still within the framework for you to feel guilty about things you had no choice but to do. You were "fated" let's say to do the evil deed, but also fated to feel bad about it afterwards.

>someone disagreed with me
>must be op

haha

>lacks evidence

no, you lack truth in your words but it's not your fault

>inherent somehow natural moral system

Determinism vs nondeterminism
You're the one making an incoherent claim of "scientific truth" without providing sources or facts.
Gr8 b8 m8. I bit the hook, but it's good b8 all the same.
Cry some more about your moral freedom nigger, your tears are delicious.

who's crying? what would you rate my b8?

you don't have much choice

Google exists, use it. After you have done some research and are ready, come back. :^)

your b8 is beyond r8ing but if I had to attribute an arbitrary number I'd say about seven and a half.
not my job to defend the nigger's post