Russians(Muscovites) think they are the only legitimate descendants of Kievan Rus' therefore Ukraine is just a...

>Russians(Muscovites) think they are the only legitimate descendants of Kievan Rus' therefore Ukraine is just a rebellious province

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>implying it's not truth

>they actually believe it
i guess muscovite propaganda had succeeded

>Kievan RUS
>I-It's not Russian I swear we are totally not an artificial state for cheap cigs and whores
Our most embarrassing neighbor and that says a lot

Rus is as "Russian" as Ukrainian or Belarussian.

Russia derives from Ruthenia, Rus but it wasn't the only part of it
Red Ruthenia - Ukraine
White Rus - Belarus

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shoo shoo kremlinbot

Make me, cuck.

Rus had a lot of capitals: Moscow, Vladimir, Kiev, Novgod, Ladoga. Peoples of Ukraine: Rusyns(Golitsyns or Red Russians), Malorussians, Novorussians. Golitsyns are Russian people that partialy exterminated in Polish concentration camps at time WWI. Malorussians always has been Russians, they called theirself Russians until 1991. Novorussians are Russians that are living on modern Ukraine territory since 1917.

Rus =/= Russia

Rus+Peter's I reforms = Russia with capital St. Petersburg.

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Russia is just one of many successors to the Kievan Rus' stop claiming your monopoly

>many successors
They're all Russians.

Wasn't all the civilization based around Kiev?

Where is Kiev now?

Hmm that really made me think.

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no, they are Belarussians, Russians and Ukrainians

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KEK KEK KEK KEKEEEREEEEEKEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well we all know that Moscow was given power over the real Russians by the Mongolss.

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not kremlinbot

just concern private citizen

Yes you are you little Mongol bitchboy.

no, you!

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All of you are bad.

Vladimir has become capital of Rus. Mongol-Tatar yoke had attacked. Then Kiev principality was destroyed.
>Ukrainians
Malorussians.

nothing wrong with concern private citizen

As much Novogrodian as Kievan

>First Russian state
>Is named Khaganate
Can't make this shit up. Just admit your steppe overlords. TURKED

Communist historians made up Kievan RUS for Muscovite purposes.

Rus comes from Swedish. Muscovites are fake degenerates that pull various thiefs and murderers together. The Slavic culture in the current area of Russia has nothing to do with the Katsap Federation. Novgorodians are rolling in their graves.

Moscow elite have Mongol blood in them

>Yury of Moscow ingratiated himself into the favor of Uzbeg so that he appointed him chief of the Rus' princes and gave him his sister, Konchak, in marriage. After spending three years at Uzbeg's court, Yury returned with an army of Mongols and Mordvins

r*ssia needs to be broken and neutered like germany, with lots of rape and mass murder

Kiev was destroyed by mongols. Novgorod is the only true successor.

The Mongols empowered Moscow

>first Uzbeg did not want to empower Moscow. In 1327, the Baskaki Shevkal, cousin of Uzbeg, arrived in Tver from the Horde, with a large retinue. They took up residence at Aleksander's palace. Rumors spread that Shevkal wanted to occupy the throne for himself and introduce Islam to the city. When, on 15 August 1327, the Mongols tried to take a horse from a deacon named Dyudko, he cried for help and a mob of furious people fell on the Tatars and killed them all. Shevkal and his remaining guards were burnt alive. Thus Uzbeg Khan began backing Moscow as the leading Russian state. Ivan I Kalita was granted the title of grand prince and given the right to collect taxes from other Russian potentates. The Khan also sent Ivan at the head of an army of 50,000 soldiers to punish Tver.

Uzberg was also the guy that made the Mongol state religion islam. That's why Putin loves Muslims so much

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Such are fate of invaders is liberation from Russia the only true answer.

Charles De Gaulle said that Russia ends in the Urals and Russia should free their colonies like France did with Algeria.

That way we could welcome Russia in the European family and this passing phase of selfharm Russian imperialism would be over.

>Janibeg sponsored joint Mongol-Rus' military expeditions against Lithuania and Poland. In 1344 his army marched against Poland with auxiliaries from Galicia–Volhynia, as Volhynia was part of Lithuania. In 1349, however, Galicia–Volhynia was occupied by a Polish-Hungarian force, and the Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia was finally conquered and incorporated into Poland. This act put an end to the relationship of vassalage between the Galicia–Volhynia Rus' and the Golden Horde.[66]

The Black Death of the 1340s was a major factor contributing to the economic downfall of the Golden Horde. Janibeg abandoned his father's Balkan ambitions and backed Moscow against Lithuania and Poland.

TIL Russia is rightful Ukrainian clay

why
>Be Kievan
>Be Polish bitch boy
>Be Moscovite
>Use mongols
>Genocide mongols
>Beat Novogrodians
>Lose then beat Poles
>Lose then beat Swedes
>End up in power of the largest state in the world from a small principality
Muscovite history is quite intresting

>B-but the russians broke free from the Mongols as soon as they had guns reeeeee

No not at all putin shills

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Moscow_(1382)

>genocide
>use

What reality do you live in

Russia's national hero was a vassal to the Mongols

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Nevsky

rose to legendary status on account of his military victories over German and Swedish invaders while agreeing to pay tribute to the powerful Golden Horde.

>rebellious province
I can see why.

There are instances of both. I dont want to discuss history with an American as they dont understand reality before 1776

The talk of a moron with nothing better to say

>Rus comes from Swedish.
Can you give me a source please?
>Muscovites are fake degenerates that pull various thiefs and murderers together.
I love you too.
>The Slavic culture in the current area of Russia has nothing to do with Katsap Federation.
Current area of Russia exist since 1991. Russian federation was USSR, Russian Empire, Tsarist Rus, Moskovian Rus, Vladimir's Rus, Kievan Rus, Novgorod's Rus.
>Novgorodians are rolling in their graves.
All the Rus rulers before and including Ivan the Terrible were Rurik's dynasty princes. They were relatives. Novgorod principality ruled by Rus during: 862 — 882. I don't see the reason to rolling Rurik in grave. He is the founder of the Rurikovich's dynasty. Rus achieved The great success by descendants of Rurik. It's became Tsarist Rus. Then Peter I from the Romanov dynasty made by inner reforms Russian Empire.
You so kind.
>TIL Ukraine is rightful Russian clay

whats the point of welcoming russia if they dont have all the clay with the juicy natural resources anymore?

He had 2 choises
Cuckolicism which means culture defeat or mongols who need just money

>TIL
Fuck off back to plebbit and fucking say there, fucking faggot

> >Russians(Muscovites) think they are the only legitimate descendants of Russian Empire therefore Poland is just a rebellious province

Gimnar Axebattle
more like gaymar assbattle lmao

So you could say it's a kievan ruse

Or he could fight both

"Kievan Rus" was invented earlier and it is just a term for time period. There are terms for other "Ruses".

Rus wasn't only Kievan, you just stick to period term. Russians are not only descendants, but what you legitimate - yes. Who else? Moscow became the biggest, all others got conquered.

>Can you give me a source please?
you don't even know where the name of your country comes from ? you are that brainwashed?

According to the most prominent theory, the name Rus', like the Finnish name for Sweden (Ruotsi), is derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-) as rowing was the main method of navigating the rivers of Eastern Europe, and that it could be linked to the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen (the rowing crews) or Roden, as it was known in earlier times.[5][6]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_(name)

>Russians are not only descendants, but what you legitimate - yes. Who else? Moscow became the biggest, all others got conquered.
typical r*ssian scum understanding only language of power

>yeah we conquered them once therefore we are the only """"legitimate"""" overlords of eastern europe, ukrainians have no right for self determination

it's just incredible how brainwashed into imperialism you russians are

> you are that brainwashed?
Every person from birth has brains to wash them. There are many theories about the origin of this word. I'm interested to know his pan-Slavic point of view.

Everyone has a theoretical basis on which he is based. you aren't an exception with your Panslavism.

No he couldnt

He could've. He was just too busy fellating his Mongol overlords

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Why you're so butthurt about Russia, guys?

I'm just discrediting putinboos that don't know history

>fighting on the internet
Yeah, go get em'! Lol.
Good night.

> v r y o t i

Can't fight them irl if i don't know where they live.

they interfere with American elections