When you were a kid you wanted to be American...

When you were a kid you wanted to be American, then at like 15 - 17 you went through an edge "fuk amerikka" left wing phase. Now as an adult you find things about America you like and dislike.

How close am I?

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>When you were a kid you wanted to be American, then at like 15 - 17 you went through an edge "fuk amerikka" left wing phase

yeah more or less, I never got to find anything good about unitedstates again

>When you were a kid you wanted to be American
incorrect

I never wanted to be American. Our education system puts a lot of effort into teaching us how bad America is, how certain policies would make "Norway more like USA [and we wouldn't want that]". It's used as an example of how bad things can be.

I did have hate America phase.

Now I find both things to like, and dislike. But mostly dislike, there is almost nothing good about USA compared to Norway

Wanted to be American, but now as an adult I prefer Europe.

Norway is insignificant

Exactly what I experienced, how did you know user?

I don't hate America, but I tend to laugh at the state of your country, when things like the 4 nig nogs and the autistic Trump supporter happens.
I would never want to live in your country, but that's due to a lot of things, since it's so different from how the Danish system works.

pretty much this

True although I never wanted to be american. When you're young you believe Hollywood movies but as you grow older you start to see all the shit that's going wrong over there. It's a solid country but not in my top 5 countries I'd move to.

Yeah around 15-17 I was sort of that edgy fuck America Guy. I didn't hate it but was quick to notice all its flaws and none of the good. Now I am unapoligetically American af

Wouldn't say I wanted to be American but did have a fascination of sorts with America.

We were force fed American culture on tv as kids. It's only natural.

Then you grow up and realize that it's just another country but it's huge.

Our generation is special in that we grew up with more American culture than any before us, but those before us grew up when America was special is so much that aside from being huge you could also make great wages even doing shitty work.

To previous generations America was a land that you heard about and then it was everything you thought it would be, by contrast we grew up being sold on America as such an amazing place constantly that the reality was kind of hard to take. You can't help but be a little resentful.

Agreed. Though what examples does the education system use as bad ones about us?

Unironically capitalism. We are thought both ends of the economic spectrum are bad, the Soviet Union and GDR are the negative examples for communism/socialism and America is the negative example for capitalism.

Unions are shit.
Wages are shit, due to that.
Your social security system is shit.
Your education isn't free, thus shit.

Few of many examples.

It's just stuff like how it's good the government runs the schools, it's bad they let people die when they are sick and it's better with free healthcare. It's not very advanced stuff.

Most of the problems you hear about in the US are caused by the government sticking its filthy fingers where it doesn't belong
>High crime in cities
Caused by the stifling of opportunities for legitimate businesses and over-regulation in the market. Welfare dependence gives single mothers an incentive to shoot out rugrats for more benefits without a second paternal unit to tell her kids to shape up. Illegal drug trade provides an alternative to conducting legal business, and it creates an endless cycle of crime.
>Inb4 gun control
It's funny, really. Usually in these festering shitholes like Baltimore, Detroit, LA and Chicago, gun control is very tough. Politicians who created these urban messes have no self-awareness and blame the surrounding non-urban areas which have a tenth of a sliversliver of the crime the cities have as opposed to fixing the conditions that led people to shoot and stab one another.
>Expensive healthcare
More government being an ass and over-regulating everything. Also Obamacare was a shit way of going about making it less expensive, since everything happened which its opponents said would happen.
>Infrastructure crumbling
Our media has turned the tradesman--the welder, plumber, HVAC specialist, repairman--into a joke, and tells kids that's not who they want to be, when we desperately need people who can built shit.
>Expensive College
Government subsidies increasing access to college=higher demand, higher price to make up for the large number of students
Also this gives universities no incentive to lower prices
>Bad public education
We have thrown more money every year at our public schools and average grades haven't changed a bit. You can't just throw money at the wall and expect it to stick in education. We need to change how it works, not keep throwing money at a failed system.

Our Government is our own biggest enemy. We call it in to help, and it comes in and fucks everything up.

I don't get your education system though.
I saw a documentary, granted it was with a former secretary of labor, in the Clinton administration, or it was Noam Chomsky, can't remember. Nonetheless, it stated that education were free in the 60's. Clearly you've gotten richer since then, so why on Earth does it cost 150-200k dollars to put a kid through university?
I like the way your university runs though, as the market can invest in it, instead of depending solely, or very heavily on the government.

You need to understand that public health care is good. Sure you might have to raise taxes by 10-15%, but general life or the population will be far far better, thus lowering crime, as well.

>Our media has turned the tradesman--the welder, plumber, HVAC specialist, repairman--into a joke, and tells kids that's not who they want to be, when we desperately need people who can built shit.
Heh, our government did that some years ago and now we're in desperate need of people who can use their hands, so now they're trying to get attention on those educations instead.

At one point 80% of the youth choose high school, probably with the aim of getting an academic education.

Can't help to laugh at myself though, the handymen will make more than me, when I'm done with my bachelor and master.

Those are problems, but for what I hate now also includes stuff like bathrooms being a serious political issue. Seriously? Just let people use the bathrooms they want. Why is this a thing?
There are lots of things like this as well. Your sexist attitudes and toxic feminists, your terrible workers rights, tipping.

And no one cares or knows about bad infrastructure in USA. Perhaps except the bad internet, which is a good example of how badly infrastructure gets done if you let private corporations do what they want.

you got literally everything right.

t. Kiwi who wanted to be Australian

israelis are either Pro-American (lefty israelis) or Extra-Pro-American (righty israelis)

the only thing we ever hated about the US was Hussein Obama

>Noam Chomsky
Probably, he's been a big critic of American education
>education were free in the 60's
I don't think so since many veterans needed the Montgomery GIBill (college money for vets) as early as the 1940s to attend uni.
>Clearly you've gotten richer since then
Middle and underclass Americans have largely gotten poorer since 1964 when the federal reserve fucked up their dollar permanantly. (If the American quarter was still backed by gold or silver, and minimum wage was still $3.75 that would have the purchasing power of $17 today)
>so why on Earth does it cost 150-200k dollars to put a kid through university
Some of it for good reasons, a lot if that money goes to important research. Some of it for retarded reasons like sports programs that don't make money, most if it because of what that that Ameranon said. Banks and governmrnt will give grants and loans for huge amounts which gives unis an incentive to charge huge amounts.
>I like the way your university runs though, as the market can invest in it, instead of depending solely, or very heavily on the government.
Public schools, and many private, depend soley or very heavily on the government for student tuition and grant endowments or research funding.
>You need to understand that public health care is good. Sure you might have to raise taxes by 10-15%
Canada has public healthcare and equal taxation on the poor and middleclass as America with lower taxes on the wealthy. Canada's highest tax rate is 36% America's is 39%, (only difference is that Canada considers anything iver $250k upper class and America starts at like $400k)plus their government still spends more tax dollars per person on average for healthcare, a lot more, and in return gets higher rates of disease, higher rates of medical malpractise, and a shorter life span.

things that the rest of the world have already figure out that Americans haven't:

>free universal healthcare
>subsidized univerisity fees
>guns for security forces only
>metric system
>soccer
>political left is red, while right is blue

Considering how in some places like Chicago where small businesses are practically being regulated out of existence because of some arbitrary bullshit.
The government does not have a hands-off approach in the US market at all.
Nearly all our infrastructure is financed by the government. All the private roads and bridges I've been on were better managed and of higher quality, because the people running them had an actual incentive to make their services worthwhile.
There are plenty of high-paying jobs that people don't take because they're told to "follow their passion" and "You don't want to be stuck in a workshop!" when tradesmen make great salaries. Kids are also given the false dichotomy of "college or failure" and go off to earn useless degrees and come home whining for a higher min. wage (which leads to lower employment rates and higher prices; see Seattle) when there are perfectly viable and better paying alternatives.

By law you cannot be turned away from a hospital because of inability to pay. Although I think this is a good law, its unintended consequence is that the hospital has to eat the cost and raise prices for other customers.

Social healthcare, despite its benefits, is not a perfect panacea. People in the UK and Canada are put on waiting lists for months because public hospitals (especially in the UK) are understaffed and underfunded. We need to get our massive debt under control and cut our spending on useless areas before we start spending even more money we don't have.

If anything, making healthcare expenses tax deductible ought to be a good start.

What I don't understand is when people beg for government help when the US government has been a notoriously inefficient, corrupt system.

>Unions are shit.
>Wages are shit, due to that.

Except this is a lie, our wages and median income are much higher than most of Europe including Norway.

Canada doesn't have lower tax on the wealthy, only federal income tax. effective total income tax on anyone earning over 1,000,000 is bound to be lower in most places in America I can think of. (might be one or two states)

>Social healthcare, despite its benefits, is not a perfect panacea. People in the UK and Canada are put on waiting lists for months because public hospitals (especially in the UK) are understaffed and underfunded.

Same here, but the system works, people can go see a doctor and get operations for free. It could be better, but it's quite good already.

Yeah, so is Qatars, but I doubt a lot of Qataris are rich as fuck,
Reagan destroyed your unions.

Not really. I've always wanted to live in America. Especially after being there

As a kid I didn't want to be american, but I thought it was a good country.
The rest is true though.

You stood out to me as warmongering idiots since I was a kid. Later I found out that despite being nationalistic, you still hate your own poor and my impression has only worsened.

I like the idea of being able to legally carry a gun for protection, but it's also kind of nice to live in a country where I don't really need one.

>subsidized univerisity fees

We do this. Public uni is basically free if your family makes less than 70k a year. Take my uni for example:

admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/paying-for-uc/

>Most families pay less than the full price of attending UC. In fact, more than half of our undergraduate students pay no tuition at all. Over two-thirds of UC undergraduates receive grants and scholarships, with an average award of around $16,300.

If you ever hear someone complain about college prices there is a 99% chance theyre going to be spoiled upper middle class whites whose families are subsidizing college for those who actually can't afford to pay. This is why the bitching about free college back when that Commie was running in the DNC was fucking retarded.

Also, no one is forcing you to use the public hospitals. If you're unhappy about the waiting list, you can always go pay to a private hospital.

Fuck off Norway.

>Yeah, so is Qatars, but I doubt a lot of Qataris are rich as fuck,

Median income being high by definition means the average person is richer in the USA than any of those other countries. You seem to be confusing it with the mean income.

Which is a problem.
It drains the supply of doctors from the public hospitals, making them worse. There's a reason it's a good thing when private healthcare is banned.

The public healthcare system prioritizes by need. If you have cancer, you'll get the help you need within a few days, if you need to replace your joint, you'll have to wait for some months (it should be shorter, admittedly). If we let private hospitals drain the supply of doctors, we will end up with less efficient priorities, in the end we may end up giving higher priority to plastic surgery (which could wait in queue for a year with no problem) than cancer.

Let me ask fellow yurobros a question.

We complain about America on the internet but would you really want America to be more like europe?

I like America being America, my only complaint is that is not American enough.


Sure not everyone has healthcare but why would you care, you don't live there..

No, I don't. The median is high because some VERY rich people are pulling it up. It really shows when Walmart employees have to get those shopping coupons, so they can make ends meet.

Good points. I'll take my statement back.

Never wanted to be american, went through a leftist phase at around 13-16.

How has america being "relevant" helped you or your family?
Relevancy is only used for bragging and never actually benefits the individual.

They poison our culture with their power. If they were just a cute little third world country it wouldn't matter to anyone but the people who lived there, but they have way too much influence to make it worse.

In principle, this is what will happen. But if the public hospitals aren't willing to hire the people who are educated doctors, or don't have the equipment to use them, the effects won't necessarily be so bad. But it needs to be closely controlled so it doesn't happen, and there's also a danger of them outbidding on wages.

Nobody wants to be American.

This isn't the early 90s and nobody is starving for bananas, blue jeans, and David Hasselhoff.

The fact is most of the world has surpassed you by almost every metric. Enjoy your niggers.

This is the median income per person by country, according to OECD. Turns out I was wrong about us being higher than Norway, but we're still higher than everyone in the world except for the tiny states dependent on oil and banking. And Australia.

>inb4 healthcare costs

Most of this is covered by benefits from your employer, the average single adult in the USA only pays $1,300 yearly for healthcare. For a whole family household, they must pay an average additional $4,300. Deducting the former figure from adult median income and the latter from household median income still leaves us in the top 10 and higher than places like Germany.

>The median is high because some VERY rich people are pulling it up

This is impossible with the median. If 10 people are really rich and 100 really poor, the median would be one of the really poor people. If the median was 10 really rich people and 20 really poor people, the median would again be one of the poor people.

How do they "poison your culture?" Of all Sup Forums memes this is the one I least understand.

the median person is not covered by their employer according to gallup, you're mixing average and median yourself m8

i never really cared that much

my parents and everyone in the country always told me "america is bad americans are evil stupid" etc etc etc

and well at some point i thought "no actually they're not that bad"

(then i started looking more into their culture their politics and talking to them on the internet, and today i realize everyone was right all along, they are in fact evil stupid etc etc)

I see you haven't grown out of your nazi phase yet.

>the median person is not covered by their employer according to gallup

Most of the remainder instead have government insurance, which they also don't pay for.

I never like US and never want to be foreigners include americans.
but I have enjoyed movie and music of your cunt at teenager.

are you implying the median waged individual would be covered by obamacare?

No, the median waged person would have employer coverage most likely. Usually the poorer ones rely on government programs.

Wrong, I hated the US as a kid, I was a libertarian in my teens so I warmed up to it, but now with Trump as president my view of the US is somewhat negative.

Countries in Europe have cultures handed down over thousands of years. So, understandably some fear the spread of an opposing cultures' influence in their region (i.e Americanisation)

I know this is a tough one to understand for you Canada given that your "culture" consists of putting gravy on chips, but some other countries with culture are worried.

>I know this is a tough one to understand for you Canada given that your "culture" consists of putting gravy on chips, but some other countries with culture are worried.

Canada's entire """culture""" is them trying to say "we're not just the USA, honest", seems like they would be the most worried.

We have a bit more culture than poutine. Your ignorance regarding Canadian culture doesn't mean we have none. It's the Americanisation meme I don't get. We live next to them sharing a 9,000km border and aren't particularly Americanised. How the hell is a country on the other side of the world?

>aren't particularly Americanised

my sentiments agree with this good post

wtf 100% right

I genuinely did, visiting dreamworld and Australia zoo was the highlight of my childhood
Most kids here did 2bh, we have a massive inferiority complex.

>aren't particularly Americanised
holy shit

I never really cared, grown up yea it's alright

le supreme Amerikkkan defendor comes to preserve American honor with le tru libertarian fax in a thread discussing subjective sentiment towards the USA

Pretty close, still dislike America on the whole though.

>pic
cringed

>Euro education

> lot of effort into teaching us how bad America is
so basically cucked

> But mostly dislike, there is almost nothing good about USA
of course kek

>then i started looking more into their culture their politics and talking to them on the internet,
translation: i am learning about the world from other autists on Sup Forums
>and today i realize everyone was right all along, they are in fact evil stupid
of course kek

as a kid i thought america was a very dangerous place where everybody can carry a gun, which is even sold in convenience stores, and you can get shot anytime, so i didn't want to go to america nor did i want to be american. i was reluctant to be taken to hawaii on a family trip, even though i didn't dislike america. now, it's a pretty intriguing country that makes up for many flaws.