I want to have a sincere discussion about gun control laws...

I want to have a sincere discussion about gun control laws. I really want to discuss the necessities and potential hazards of guns in America.

Let's try to avoid buzzwords and unfounded memes.

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Universal background checks. Keep existing limitations on fully automatic weapons. Make straw purchases a felony, with no strikes and mandatory jail time. Make crimes committed with firearms felonies with no strikes and mandatory jail time

That's it really.

The real work is in enforcement.

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We don't have a gun problem, we have a nigger problem. Ship them all back to Africa or Brazil.

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Only law enforcement personnel should have guns...oh, and criminals.

you can't start a discussion like this without getting the edgy teens involved

Absolutely every conversation ignores the key component of enforcement of the existing laws. The majority of crime is committed by people that already have weapons obtained illegally. Unless you're willing to send a large police force into the poor inner city neighborhoods, and monitor mosques for terror activity, the whole conversation is moot.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Not the best pic to draw in anons willing to discuss the topic at a high level.

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This is now a nigger hate thread.

How would you feel about even more limitations to powerful guns?

Retard, avoid memes, they're meaningless and absolutely stupid.

Criminals should have a hard time getting guns. There is no reason someone who wants to commit a crime can get a gun so easily.

I know it's a hastle. There's already 2 posts in this thread that are trash.

Muslims aren't committing armed crimes. Where did you get that information? What good would sending in patrols to the Mosques do? Moreover, they did do that and most of the "undercovers" were reported to authorities for being too radical. This is senseless.

Reducing the number of guns would reduce the number of killings.

Laws should be changed. Adhering to the second amendment so fundamentally is as backwards as the Muslims adhering to Sharia. These are old laws that need to be revised, as times change laws must change as well.

You're right.

>Laws should be changed.
lets do away with the 4th and 5th too, nothing to hide, nothing to worry about right? and the 1st? well words hurt so lets not have that either. and the 15th? pfttttt gone!!!

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No more limitations. That's useless as it's based on false information and fear. Enforcement is the only real answer to this issue. Law abiding citizens have far too much to lose to fuck around and do stupid shit. Universal background checks will keep new guns outo of the hands of criminals. Target criminal activity and you'll reduce the gun violence being committed with existing guns on the street. Simple as that.

I'm not suggesting that police "raid" mosques. I'm suggesting that they monitor them. Because radical Muslims have taken a threatening posture towards western culture. They should be montitored because of that.

In addition, you'll have to accept a serious amount of backlash from inner city communities that are comprised of primarily minorities. That will have to be delta with, but backing off is not going to resolve anything. In fact, it will likely increase crime.

Compare Switzerland's gun laws to Mexico's gun laws, then compare their gun crime rates, then kill yourself

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What's the new libcuck argument for gun control post-Nice?

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Don't even have to have a gun to get shot by popo if your black. Hell we can't even have fingers.
#Blacklivesmatter

Nope. No gun problem

That's a stupidity problem

1. No limitations on type of weapon owned. If you want a tank or anti-aircraft weapons, go for it. The US constitution was meant to allow citizens the power to dismantle their government if it goes corrupt, so no limitations should be allowed.

2. Licensing for ANYTHING defined as a weapon (as it's sole purpose). Make it exceedingly more difficult to become licensed for more dangerous weapons. So if you want that tank, expect to take classes, pay dues, and be thoroughly vetted for the privilege of owning it. Simple rifles would be a short written test (maybe a practical test too?), background check for mental illness, felonies, or terrorist ties (federal database shit). once you are licensed, it is for life or until the license is revoked (for mental illness, felonies, or terrorist ties).

3. Strict enforcement of these laws. A citizen who breaks them is severely punished, and a government official that infringes on these rights is equally punished. No leniency, either way.

That's all you need.

kek

Lol, he obviously deserved it

When I am arguing with anti-gun activists I generally resist any new laws. The reason being that it allows you to slowly enact these laws that make sense, primarily because if you yield a foot they'll want a mile. Anti-gun activists don't just want universal background checks they want an almost universal ban. But in all honesty I have no problem with any of these laws.

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>Put em up.
>Put em up, put em up, put em up!
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Not a laughing matter
The racism on this site just shows how bad the problem is

Why? Because he was black?
He didn't even have a weapon.

>Officer had his weapon drawn already
>Still decides to be a jackass
Just a prank bro!

He thought he was talking about his gang signs

mandatory death penalty if you murder with a gun. life for a life

Criminals getting shot. WHY THE IS THIS A PROBLEM PEOPLE!?!?!

He only had his weapon out because the kid was walking while black. It was a good Christian boy on his way to church.
He didn't deserve that

you know that's a fake pic right?

Because only the black criminals are getting shot. The white one's get milkshakes

>These are old laws that need to be revised, as times change laws must change as well.
Then go through the proper process of changing them. If you're not willing to hold to that process, then all laws might as well be at the whim of the majority at the moment.

What about self defense? Someone is literally trying to kill you but you kill them to stop them.
That person still has to die?

This is a problem. We need more dead rednecks. Their equal in IQ to niggers. Cops need to be less partial.

1. We will never go backwards with these laws, so this is really not realistic.
2. Paying to exercise a right is ridiculous. I don't have to pay to exercise any of my other rights, this one should be no different. Law enforcement should provide publicly funded courses, from which a person ought to be able to obtain and qualify for carry permits. Of course, see number 1. We already pay extra to exercise 2A.
3. I'm down with this completely. In fact, I consider this part to be the most crucial aspect of fixing the gun problems in murica.

generally if an individual is influenced by superior factors such as friend, family (education) and society. If an individual has no influence that generate crime by using guns well usualy we call this a medical problem.
In other words, we don't have to legislate on gun control because as nothing to do with.

1) different education equals different behaviors
2) illness can be detect in young age.

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look at the crime rate in an area that is predominately redneck.
now compare that to the crime rate in an area that is predominately black.

well after a thorough investigation i'm sure in those types of circumstances the facts of the matter will shine brighter than the law no matter what state you're in

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You'll never get any traction by treating this as a racial issue, no matter what the numbers suggest.

We'd be far better off in this country if we stopped treating public schools as babysitters and started funding them much more. Hiring better teachers would help with keeping the stupid away from kids. We also need a huge and consistent effort on the part of leaders to re enforce the idea of strong families to keep poor kids with single parents from becoming societal nuisances.

As a Canadian gun owner I feel that our laws are bizzare and ridicules.
Guns are banned based on looks, you can buy a semi auto 50bmg go hunting with a vz58, XCR, TAR21, TYPE97 but ak47,FAL's,UZI all prohibited. Also we have mag restrictions all non restricted semi autos use mags that are riveted to only hold 5 rounds. Do they really think that someone willing to go to jail is going to stop and say " I better not take this rivet out cause I'll go to jail"??

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At the lower level user, yes, they do actually believe that. But it's only because they blindly follow their liberal leaders who know full well that the "it looks like" legislative angle is a feelgood tactic and not a real solution.

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America will always have guns because there are already too many illegal guns on the street and nothing will be accomplished by taking guns away from people that use guns legally. If guns are taken away from these people it will make them more vulnerable to all the niggers

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Kys you fucking faggot

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not all black people are niggers, in the same way that not all white people are rednecks. you need to look to areas infested with niggers, not populated by black people

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>so this is really not realistic
Yeah, I'm talking about ideal situations and what the constitution means, not practical fixes to the system that's already been fucked. Honestly, I think we need to scrap it and start over.

>Paying to exercise a right is ridiculous.
Not if it's reasonably low cost. I'm talking about just covering the admin costs of the system. Driving is (or should be) the same.

>Law enforcement should provide publicly funded courses
So you're willing to pay for it, just in the form of taxes? That's bullshit. The people that want weapons should pay for the overhead of the system that governs their use.

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All judicial systems are flawed to some degree and that means innocent people can find themselves convicted of crimes they did not commit. I think having capital punishment in such a system is irresponsible.

I also think incarceration should be very uncomfortable and much longer for serious crimes than it usually is these days.

>publicly funded courses
Take 'your rights' out of the equation and can't you see how this is dumb?
>I don't have to pay to exercise any of my other rights, this one should be no different.
It's like saying other people's taxes should pay for you driving test/license.
And it implies that you think that because something is publicly funded someone's not paying for it somewhere along the line.

Are you considering all the unreported incest in that?

Yeah it sucks. There are over 3,000,000 firearm owners with about 10,000,000 guns and we all get punished cause of a few crazy people. If the police got punished the same way every time they killed innocent people there'd be going around armed with sticks with weight restrictions.

Go to gun store. If it is a non nfa item, give them your info they check you. If you're clear you get the gun. For an nfa item keep the laws pretty much the same except gun companies should be allowed to begin production of fully automatics again.

1. Scrapping it and starting over I this political climate is asking for a heap of trouble and a guaranteed reduction in your current rights. I'm 100% against this idea. But I get where you're coming from as far as ideal situations.
2. It is absolutely unreasonable. It means that some people will be unable to exercise some of their rights, which should be unacceptable to Americans. Also, driving is a privilege, not a right so it doesn't count.
3. I'm not willing to increase taxes. The feds or the local LEO'S can figure out how to leverage their existing budgets for this. The people are taxed enough already. Also, the burden of a right guaranteed to all people should not be shouldered by only those who want to exercise that right.

>I want to have a sincere discussion about gun control laws.

MANDATORY 50 year jail sentence for using a gun during the commission of ANY crime.

MANDATORY Life/Death sentence if there is a death while using a gun during the commission of ANY crime.

Watch gun crime plummet when the real criminals are taken off the streets for good. Then there will be no reason to take guns away from those who don't commit crimes.

>I'll wait patiently for the progressives to tell me why this is wrong......

Driving is a privelage. Not a right.

Go read your bill of rights to get an idea of what I'm talking about. This is not about just what I or other gun owners want. It's about the preservation of a document that (should) govern our lives in a very minimal way. You can't pick and choose what you want here like it's an a la cart menu.

>Don't even have to have a gun to get shot by popo if your black

Straw purchases are already a felony. Crimes committed with firearms already have higher punishments than the same crime without a gun.

Please, stop speaking out of your ass.

And you just predicted the future of law enforcement in this country.

It's a bit ridiculous, but right now the liberal progressives have the ball and the momentum. They will have to fail before the pendulum has a chance to swing in a different direction.

he fucking deserved it after faking he has a gun and "pulling it" on an armed officer while disobeying his commands. this is fucking darwinism at its finest.

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Read the rest asshat.

The real issue is in enforcement of the existing laws.

Now, stop reading with your head up your ass.

this would actually kill 2 birds. drastically reduce gun crime, and usher in a new white utopia

anyone who has never gone through the process of legally buying a gun should shut the fuck up and not talk

wrong. more white people are killed by cops than blacks every single year.

Having to pay for certain rights means that poor people don't have the same rights as average citizens.

LOL OBAMA IS MUSZLIM #HISMIDDLENAMEISHUSSIEN

Do accessories to gun crimes also get those mandatory sentences? Also what about all the innocent people who are wrongfully arrested? Learn to green text btw.

>Also what about all the innocent people who are wrongfully arrested?
You do realize how the criminal justice system works, right? Or are you suggesting that we should keep jail sentences low just in case the courts get it wrong?

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>Scrapping it and starting over I this political climate
Yeah, I meant politics in general. I agree that we're fucked, regardless of the changes we make. Because we have two highly authoritarian political parties competing for power, which always ends up diminishing the rights of citizens. So we should scrap the system that allows authoritarianism to rule.

>It means that some people will be unable to exercise some of their rights
>Also, driving is a privilege, not a right
Only because the automobile was invented after the US Constitution and the founding fathers could not imagine a situation where the government would deem the reasonable mobility of its citizens as a "privilege." Every part of out political process is paid for by citizens: voting, administration, etc. Through taxes. I'm simply saying that those that want to drive, or want guns, should pay the minimal (and life-long) licensing fees. Do you really care if you have a one-time $15 fee to get any simple rifle or shotgun? And maybe another $5 for handguns? And maybe have to pay for a safety course for auto/semi-auto weapons?

>I'm not willing to increase taxes.
Money doesn't magically appear. Taxes pay for everything in the government. We are getting overtaxed because of handouts, and because the general public is paying for shit that a select few need/use. I'm against that, which is why I think firearm owners should pay for the entire system. They will save money in other areas.

>Also, the burden of a right guaranteed to all people should not be shouldered by only those who want to exercise that right.
Yes, it should, when there is a tangible specific cost in exercising that right.