Is there happiness? Does happiness even exist?

Is there happiness? Does happiness even exist?

I don't think it exists and if it does, it is the worst goal a person can have. A person whose goal is happiness is nothing but a fuckin junkie.

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what`s your goal?

You are probably way too smart to be happy.

Well, that's the thing. I don't think i have a goal anymore.

The fact that nothing in life is enough for anyone is the testament to how hopeless a goal is.

well everyone is not born with a goal so just find or create one already and git happy fucker

but is there nothing you enjoy user?

yeah. I can imagine what enjoyment is but i dont think ive felt in a really really long time.

The last time i felt joy and happiness was when i was a kid.

I've been there.

it's that easy, well, at least not for me.

Was it easy for you, user?

Happiness is a path, not a destination.

bullshit.

Happiness is Fallout 3 Remastered

i dont believe you. but besides that:
what you need is a change in your life, a new friend, a new partner, maybe just something to do besides school/work and being on Sup Forums

inb4 i dont feel like trying because nothing matters

bullshit.

Well fuck you then.

nope, for me, just accept that there's not any reasons whatsoever to live that happiness love and others iare just a chemical reaction that can be replaced easily with meds, and that has been mystified trough the ages, just fucking live, like do what you would like to do

oh come on, you think finding friends are that easy?
Im the product of trial and error. Im not suicidal but im interested to know if anyone's goal in life is not ultimately towards their happiness.

ah, just play fo4. It's the same shit.

fuckin hacks.

are you doing wat you love?

That is such a cliche. You think people wake up and tell themselves to forget about their passions?

do you think of yourself as someone nobody wants to be friends with?

theres a mr rogers meme saying something around the lines of happiness is not attained its a state of being or some yibayabber with love being the same thing

well that fucking worked for me

you are trying to attain happiness from outside influences when you can just do it with a little bit of self control and imagination. drugs help but then you end up addicted and well opposite of what your looking for.

Be happy because there is an emotion called happiness and you want to feel it.

My current goals is to make sure my parents aren't disappointed in me until they die, while having fun on MDMA.
I'm not going to have kids because I don't believe this world is in the right time to have children grow up in and I don't think any women would think much like that.
I guess my goal for after my parents die is to keep my self from being bored of life, and when that fails, then to OD on something fun. Might go on a killing spree or some thing

yeah, i do. Just look at this thread.

Would you ever wanna be friends with a guy whose usual threads are this shitty?

A persons goal in life is to achieve what they desire like fame, money or happiness. you can't judge a person for having a goal like to be happy because everyone views on life are different.

im not doing what i love because i don't know what i love , like if i feel like learning history of europe i do, if i find it boring i stop and do other shit, if i feel like doing nothing i do nothing that's all, it just var if people have passion cool for them they just have to continue what their doing

yeah, there's happiness and there's serenity. I think people mix these two all the time.

i don't choose my friends by Sup Forums thread quality m8

My parents are like children, i am always the one who's supposed to comfort my mom or dad when something bad happens.

FFS i got rejected from my dream uni years ago and i was the one who comforted my parents.

i believe as you get older happiness turns into serenity

the retard happiness you had as a child will never return to you in old age as the bitter memories of the past bog you down and serenity replaces happiness as that is all that is left.

and bitterness lot of bitterness. feisty little lemon

i guess you are right, but at the end of the day ive never seen a happy old person.

Is OP the narcissist from secret thread?

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yeah, i feel love or interest for a lot of things but i dont think ive ever felt true passion that would push me beyond my boundaries.

yeah, that's what ive been beginning to feel again. It's the same bitterness that you feel when you get rejected.

It's incredibly heavy.

You're idling. Set a goal you think is possible to reach and achieve it. After you did, set another goal, perhaps a bit more challenging. With every challenge you suceed, you'll experience happiness. It's only temporary and in the end you'll die, but that way you're at least not wasting your time. If you don't start anything, you'll feel happiness. Journey's the reward.

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I know that feeling bro, one part wishes my parents will live forever but another wishes they would die already so I can be my self without the constant reminder that they are judging me.
Failed 2 uni courses for not showing up because I wasn't in to them and then my parents get upset for forcing me to go to uni so had to do gay ass promising and shit

i think your advice was the best thing i could get.

Thanks user.

Happiness is real. But you can feel both pain & happiness. Pleasure/pain has to do with your body. I'm not sure why but i never feel unhappy. I know someone who feels unhappy but never pain

well, i smoke weed

me to user, but i just keep seeking by doing what i want to and maybe i'll find out one day idk. but don't think everyone find their passion out like 90% just live through their live, it's not something to be ashamed of, or to be proud about

shit, man. I know that feeling.

It's kinda great to know you're not the only one feeling these things.

Happiness is about mentally having a correct philosophy & believing u live by it.

I'm happy on and off (mostly off). It seems like life keeps making shit happen that's too hard to deal with. I already suffer from depression so it's too much most of the time. Like last year a car backfiring made me lose some of my hearing. I cant't understand what people are saying if there's any noise. I had to quit my job. My girlfriend doesn't respect me.


Thank God for drugs.

Pleasure is dictated by your animal, your sex life, food life, your frustrations/satiations of the flesh

>and bitterness lot of bitterness. feisty little lemon

I'm corrupted by bitter memories. Sometimes I yell at people from the past in my mind, Then catch myself doing it and feel completely pathetic.

fuck, user. That's the worst thing ever.

What you into? I really want to try DMT but a friend of mine thinks it's too fuckin hardcore.

basically, if you want to be happy, you have to have a religion.

if you dont have a goal why not just kill yourself? There is a reason that you dont just commit suicide, and thats basically a goal

What a bunch of fucking bullshit. It is the easiest thing in the world to be happy. People who sit around all day moping and bitching about how shitty their lives are piss me off. Of course your life is going to suck if you sit on your fucking ass all day and just convince yourself that you can't be happy. Too much beta in this thread.

I USED to do this. You have to find the highest ideal & live up to it otherwise you'll care what others think
Eckhart Tolle calls this caring process ego, i think Freud referes to it as the superego

Then why are you posting this? There is no reason to act, other than happiness and satisfaction, just like you posted this thread to get confirmation and the resulting satisfaction.

Happiness exists in two ways:

1. You are bored and unsatisfied by default, so you seek happiness and validation through distraction like for example social groups, media, or even sports and work.
The thing is that trying to get it that way will never make you fulfilled and satisfied because as soon as your distractions are not there, you get bored or even depressed, as is the case with more than 99% of humanity.

2. You work on dealing with emptiness and living without distractions, for example by meditating daily.
You have to become aware of your urge to distract yourself and your dissatisfaction, and after some time of daily meditation you get more calm and happy throughout your day, as well as being better at dealing with uncomfortable situations, be it boredom or even things catastrophes in your social enviroment.
After many many years you might reach a point at which you are fulfilled and capable of embracing everything. You develop an unconditional love for everything instead of moralizing to feel good, which is not only ineffective, but actually makes you unsatisfied and unhappy in the long run.

So, more than 99% of humanity are unhappy and always will be if they don't understand this.
My guess would be that there are maybe 20000 fulfilled people on this planet.
My guess would be that a

Knowing there are more people out there that share our feels is the best feel. Feels less lonely

yeah, i half-heartedly believe in this. Ive started to get into philosophy but the ones that actually makes sense are the ones who opt for hopelessness. Like i love Sartre, Camus and Foucault.

>What you into?

What do you have?

I'm on buprenorphine for a heroin addiction, and I'm heavily medicated.

The hearing thing is really bad. Hearing loss isn't like bad eye sight. The quality of the sound changes too, so hearing aids don't give you back perfect hearing, the way glasses do for your eyes. My voice sounds like it's coming out of a little AM radio.

>I'm not going to have kids

OP acts like this is in his control, as women don't attach themselves or want to have kids with men who are too pathetic to be something as simple as happy.

I am 100% happy but am athiest. I still feel sexual fruatration, boredom, fear, physical pain; which suck
if you have religion & r happy it means you r leeching off of sum1 whose happiness is self-generated

not at all true user. I know non religious people that are happy and I know religious people that are miserable. It's the person, not the belief.

i never thought of it like that. It's a great response.

But how can meditation be of any use? But to endure my failures and live by my regrets

Realize this: you have this life, and only this moment. Never let yourself down & one day your mind will forgive you
Everything will get a little easier. At the same time, to reach Nirvana/Heaven (ON EARTH) you must have your physical needs & emotionals satisfied

>religious people that are miserable
Most religious people I've interacted with are unpleasant people who just pretend to be happy.

If you were 100% happy then you would not feel frustration and you would not have the urge to post things like this to get you satisfaction from the outside.

Also, there is little to no difference between science and religion. They are built the same way and they use the same methods.

Had DMT about a year and a half ago.
I dont recommend unless you're on the verge of self destruction if you know what I mean. It cured me of boredom and self hatered for a good couple of months but now the hatered has come back.
Its one of those drugs that u reconmend but hope no one takes

Sexual frustration

it goes both ways though. there are plenty of religious people that are happy and content. There are plenty of non religious people that are unpleasant. It has nothing to do with their beliefs though.

yeah, ive heard that those aids are literal shit (no pun intended).

I hope you dont get too addicted, but wtf do i know.

go make some friends and do some shit that makes you live in the moment. also become a cynical nihilist and your life will be way better. fuck what everyone else thinks of you, dont let anxiety ruin your life.

Well, at least my ultimate goal is my own happiness. I like being happy. What's there more to get?

by this definition, then nobody is 100% happy. including you user.

I think you've conflated "happiness" with "pleasure", mate

obviously

you mean the same ways of knowing? If so, i think it's hard to disagree that there is any type of information that does not stem from the same ways of knowing.

If not, then i think you have no idea what science is, maybe your profession isnt in the field of science or youve never cared too much about it.

I never said I'm not going to be happy. I'm happy to not have kids nor find a lover.

ahahaha.

I feel like it's the ultimate experience. Knowing that DMT is released before death.

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quit lying to yourself

There is the very simple but effective meditation method where you just sit down and do nothing, which is what I am referring to.

>But how can meditation be of any use? But to endure my failures and live by my regrets

Basically, doing nothing is hard. I recommend you to just try sitting down with your back straight and eyes closed for 20 minutes.
If you don't already feel resistance against it now, then you will after 15 minutes at most.
You will catch yourself getting stuck on thoughts about what you are doing, simple things you hear like birds chirping or something itching on your body, followed by a strong urge to do something, like for example scratching it.
The reason why this is important and why it helps you is because you become a lot more aware of the things that make you unhappy and the things that you seek out and that you are addicted to.
You are addicted to your social group, you are addicted to browsing Sup Forums, you are addicted to information in general.

So, by doing this training, noticing and resisting the urges, you learn how to be happy on your own, without distraction and without positive feedback from the outside.

Basically, awareness alone is curative. Train your awareness and your behaviour will automatically change.
Applied to this: Become aware of your addictions and your dissatisfaction and you will learn how to get rit of it.

Yea, its the drug I love the most but hate with a passion. Deffs do it but if you have any bad feels about it, then don't

well, i agree. Not even the fuckin Dalai lama is happy.

Objective happiness is a lie so just attempt to maintain regular, moderate satisfaction, that's the best you can go for.

I wouldn't extend it to everybody because 2. is the way to counteract this and I am very confident that complete satisfaction is possible.
But yes, I have not yet reached this goal and my post is the evidence.

It's a state of mind, unless your talking about short lived orgasims or cake or whatever your fancy is. You choose to be happy it's not an emotion.

OK, I'm not happy to not have kids and to be lonely, however I find happiness in my other activities.

>Is there happiness?
Yes.

>Does happiness even exist?
Of course it exists.

However, you're right in that having ones life goal as happiness is a stupid mans choice.

Life consists mostly of suffering. The earlier you learn that, the faster you can make a true goal in your life. Think of becoming an engineer? Suffering in reading, studying, paying for tuition, etc. Want to have the most physique body? Suffering in exercising, eating right. And so on.

But the payoff for all this suffering is that you reach a goal in life that has its advantages, if not just being an end in itself.

well, that's just dissappointing.

but do you really? its a question ive had t ask myself. honestly i much rather stay at home solo style then go to concerts once or twice a month.

i guess, knowing that everything comes at a cost is the ultimate lesson.

You can be satisfied with yourself but the cost may be too much for some.

When I was 22 I became as happy as I'll ever be, i chose to abandon my life, take 1,500 $usd & b homeless to make it from the bottom. I failed. I will use the tools of my life to make starting from nothing possible. Utopia may b found. Heaven/Mass Nirvana
that's not to say there werent times my soul could have been lost
i had something else to say but i foget

I am saying that science and religion are both frameworks built with the same tool, rationality, and have the same amount of truth to them.
Both are built on empirical facts, things that are not logical and don't require any logic to exist.
In both cases we use our rationality to build a model, be it science or religion, and both are (by the definition of the word 'model') not reality.
Science and religion are both built on a dogma, in the case of science it's that reality is rational, resulting in our neurotic attempts of explaining it.

I am by no means against science and I have spent most of my life studying different fields of science.
But I am against being dogmatic and neurotic about it.
A good scientist has to know about the limits of what he is exploring, and has to be aware of the fact that it is just a model.

This.
Reaching goals is not what makes you happy, it's the striving towards a goal that does.

Happiness is subjective, but what is very interesting about your post is that you think it is the worst goal a person can have, which is entirely true but also very positive for the ones ruling over you.

If you can get an entire population to focus on pursuing their own subjective happiness in a world that limits their chase for that said happiness, you have a perfect matrix of control. A guilliable ferret wheel for the casual person.

The pursuit of happiness is just another opium to keep the less intelligent people occupied with non-events.

Now you know the truth, more news at 11.
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I absolutely agree. I agree with your point but I still do not believe that a dogma like Christianity is built on empirical facts and use rationality.

I may be too biased to see it or just not looking hard enough. Do u mind elaborating it?

Actually yea, I work 6 days a week to keep my self distracted, and on the time off I go in to the city to either have a laugh with my mates and drink, or to find another good way to waste time (recently it has been pokemon go) with said friends or make some new ones. On days where I have the day off the following day I get incredibly fucked up on MDMA and coce and usually find a cute girl for the evening.
Been sticking to this for 4 years and I haven't had a week that I've been unhappy since uni days

I was actually working on a video about this, let me see if I can find the file somewhere on my external hdd. Also, I would gladly finish that video if you are interested.

OP, I'm homeless and broke, and I'm still happy.

It's more of a state of being than just an emotion. If you're fed, have shelter, and are healthy, what do you have to be sad for?

You sound like a lot of fun

yeah, totally !

I'll do a quick voiceover, it's not really finished, I still have to fix some stuff. I'll just upload the sound somewhere.

ODing isn't that much fun

kek.

It sounds rational but also very unbelievable.

But maybe if the media that we so restlessly indulge may have programmed a version of happiness that is not the truth. Planted a seed of goal that is not right.