Has there ever been anyone with as much control over sound as this man?

Has there ever been anyone with as much control over sound as this man?

Bearing in mind the complexity of the material because there are a few artists with masterful control over much simpler material (Sophie springs to mind).

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He is good

inb4 3000 posts about how "overrated" he is

Sup Forums just can't appreciate talent

Yes. He's a talented producer and his work is impressive in its variety but there's more complex stuff out there.
RDJ's music is good because he focuses more on creating well-rounded tracks instead of delving into aimless wankery which is where a lot of 2nd generation "IDM" falls.

>Bearing in mind the complexity of the material because there are a few artists with masterful control over much simpler material
theres plenty actually

He's just amazing at making his stuff far in line with how pop music is made. its genius

>Sophie springs to mind
You can't really say that with how limited music he has released

I'm talking about the control.

There's obviously more complex material out there but it tends to be at least semi-generative or just shit to listen to, I'd argue because the artist isn't actually controlling harmony, timbre, rhythm, dynamics, structure etc. because their only focus is on making something super complex (which imo is closer to sport than art).

Examples + explanations please.

I've heard at least 30 pieces of music made by Sophie. His MO is to exert extreme control over very simple material and structure. Does an insane amount of revisions of his tracks.

While Richard is great, autechre are leagues ahead of him. Every album utilizes a new set of sounds unique to that album.

This thread isn't about opinion of who's 'better' it's about control of sound.
Most of AE's work is semi-generative max/msp patches.

They made a conscious decision to go a more sound designy/less songy route but they're literally not writing melodies/harmonies/rhythms these days...they just set up the possibilities and choose the best bits.
That's not control (though there output is gr8)

the use of algorithms doesn't imply a lack of control
you just have a lot of assumptions about the algorithms in question

well for starters A.G. Cook does what sophie does much better but thats subjective so w/e


Autechre
Plaid
OPN
Dean blunt
Metro boomin
Luc ferrari
Andy stott
Venetian snares
Abfahrt Hinwil
Beefcake
Ruxpin
Secede
Casino Verus Japan

Anyway this conversation is gonna boil down to what we define as "control'

A lot of assumptions and a bit of knowledge.

Generative implies lack of control.

AE's sound design is incredible but their mastery over different aspects of musical creation isn't equal to 'Phex's

Ahhh man that's just dumb.

I love Dean Blunt but c'mon.


(and AG Cook makes v different music from Soph)

if ae made generative music you may have a point, but they don't
they do make algorithmic music though
as far as your second point goes, that's a matter of opinion

I listed way more artist than db and ag cook
also how is this not the definition over control of an artists sound?

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Sure but DB sticks out as someone who's art I love but it doesn't rely on CONTROL OF SOUND which is what this thread was meant to be about.

I mentioned AG because you said he was doing the same thing as Sophie. Frankly if you can't see the massively different angles that they're coming from there's not much point in trying to talk about music with you (both of'em have made some great tracks).

They use algorithmic to make semi-generative music. jeeeeeez

>Generative implies lack of control
Not really. "Generative" is an extremely vague term and all it really means is that the music is a product of a system or program which could potentially generate music indefinitely.
It doesn't really define how the composer goes about controlling it, and even if it were completely autonomous, it is still on the part of the composer to design that system, which is control in itself.

iirc though, Autechre design their patches to be controlled and performed with in realtime, and that's how they've been doing their live shows recently.

thanks, you just saved me a ton of typing

rdj wishes he could be larry fast

I get your point though I'd still argue that generating material algorithmically relinquishes some control of the actual sound.

You're correct re their recent live shows (which were brilliant but at times lacking a bit of control and structure ;) )

fine disregard db/ag cook
you can't deny luc ferrari doesn't have CONTROL OF SOUND

Why do AE babbies have to ruin every thread?

Gotta go have a curry with the gf.

Would love to hear some examples of very controlled musics when I get back.

if you write the algorithms then you control everything
algorithms are just a series of instructions, ie control

Cook and SOPHIEA both make pop but it's almost like 2 separate genres. Harmony wise, Cook is better but otherwise I think SOPHIE is much more talented. Especially when he has full control over the project.

I'm back and not a single example was posted.

meh.

curtis roads

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parmegiani

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stockhausen

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dumitrescu

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nah

He's not the supreme best, but he's really up there. Also helps that he has a legit case of synesthesia

academic composers are the objective answer. stockhausen etc. meticulously control every element of the sounds in their compositions

luc ferrari

I guess you're disregarding all of their early work. They didn't even start using max until oversteps. They definitely still use melodies my man they're just destroyed then put back tohetjer

I hope not because all his music is incredibly boring.

This thread is... good?

>ask who's better
>get told who's better
>cry about it
wew lad

They started using Max in EP7