If Starfleet was so advanced, and could use nanoprobes to bring back dead crewmembers, why had they not cured death yet?

If Starfleet was so advanced, and could use nanoprobes to bring back dead crewmembers, why had they not cured death yet?
Wouldn't Borg nanoprobes essentially allow someone to live forever?
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because of a counter reaction to technological advancement called th Braga effect

"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

Because at the heart of Star Trek is a nihilistic atheism that wants to see the universe go dark.

There's no evolution without death. You cant advance the species without it. So I see it more as positive atheism which shuffles the weak and unlucky into oblivion to make way for the future.

If the DS9 computer was able to hold the consciousness of the bridge crew, why not make a digital copy of all the people ever lived and make them eternal?

Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.

Because copies aren't you.

Because shit was degrading super fast.
Any longer and the people'd they get out would have been vegetables.

Then how are they so nonchalant about transporter use?

Actually, that's inherently wrong from a biological standpoint.
Throughout our lives, gene expression changes based upon the issues we encounter.
This could be environmental, magnetic-pole geographic location, things physical..
Or it could be something as minute as the increased usage of the areas of the brain that use analytical and abstract thinking.
There would be nothing holding back someone from evolving so long as they continued to further themselves mentally and physically.
But that's the inherent problem with "curing death" is that the fear of death, the fear of not transferring your genes into a new genetic configuration through the creation of a new life is now highly minimalized to a point where such aspirations become more attainable because you know how a seemingly infinite amount of time to achieve them.
So, I agree and disagree.
Life finds a way around all problems except for the most salient existential one.


Take for instance the Changelings.. while a hypothetical species, they can live forever unless someone actively wanted to destroy them (or something more extreme like the death of the universe in 10 to the 10 to the 10 to the 10 years from now)..
Also..

see
Consciousness is just a chemical reaction.

Thank you Hal Holbrook for your hard determinism and black comedy!

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Scotty survived.

If Starfleet was so advanced, then why didn't they have a backup of the holo-doctor?

That was one of the many truly stupid things about Voyager.

Voyager isn't canon.

*nods approvingly*

Because the Federation is scared shitless of trans-humanism,

Its the same reason they outlawed gene-modding, have almost no cyborgs that aren't alien in origin, never use the transporter as a fountain of youth medical device to keep themselves young, and have almost no neural interface tech.

What I always found funny about the sapient holograms in Trek was that there were so many of them yet the federation can't build more sapient androids. I would assume making a self aware being out of light would be harder then out of physical materials.

>ARMUS: You do not understand. I do not serve things evil. I am evil.
>PICARD: Oh, no, you are not.
>ARMUS: I am a skin of evil left here by a race of Titans who believed if they rid themselves of me, they would free the bonds of destructiveness.
>PICARD: Yes. So here you are. Feeding on your own loneliness. Consumed by your own pain. Believing your own lies. You say you are true evil? Shall I tell you what true evil is? It is to submit to you. It is when we surrender our freedom, our dignity, instead of defying you.
>ARMUS: I will kill you, and those in there.
>PICARD: But you will still be here. In this place. Forever. Alone. Immortal. That's your real fear. Never to die. Never again to be united with those who left you here.
>ARMUS: [screaming]
>PICARD: I'm not taking you anywhere.
(Armus screams with rage as Picard is beamed away)

Armus was a different beast.
He couldn't kill himself.
Being able to stop the aging process doesn't stop someone from "getting off the ride" if they feel it's become to tiresome.

>muh 6 million Bajorans

that was a really good episode. made me feel desu

Best Dax

They did, there was even an episode set in the future about his backup

Ezri was a mediocre character.

>ezri
>not smug jadzia

*puts my trill in her host*

Boring Dax

That wasn't a backup.

>GARAK: Oh, no, no, no. Please, don't start. Spare me your insipid psychobabble. I'm not some quivering neurotic who feels sorry for himself because his daddy wasn't nice. You couldn't begin to understand me.
>EZRI: I'd like to try.
>GARAK: Oh, I'm sure you would. You'd like nothing more than to pry into my personal affairs. Well, I'm not interested in dissecting my childhood. I only want to save my people from the Dominion. I don't need someone to walk in here and hold my hand. I want someone to help me get back to work. And you, my dear, aren't up to this task. I mean, look at you. You're pathetic. A confused child trying to live up to a legacy left by her predecessors. You're not worthy of the name Dax. I knew Jadzia. She was vital, alive. She owned herself. And you? You don't even know who you are. How dare you presume to help me? You can't even help yourself. Now get out of here before I say something unkind.

god DAMN

The most defining trait of ST writing has always been a primal, animal fear or any sort of transcendence, vertical or lateral.

Any vids of her casting couch session?

that sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook

is this why starfleet BTFO the maquis?

Based Garak

Trektards are some of the most commie of all commies. Full of love for nignogs and jews, and overflowing with white guilt.

Link to previous thread pls

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Thank you based user.

>it's a 'q trolls the fuck out of the crew episode'

>lose the Eugenics wars
>somehow they were superior humans

what the heck Gene?

I think a lot of ST writer operated under the assumption that bettering oneself through outside means is a sing of weakness of wickedness. Which is hilarious, because the two fundamentals of human civilization were circumvention of human limitations through tool use and external storing of knowledge. A ST character in a prehistoric setting would be the sort to spend their entire life trying to cut wood with naked hands or cook meat by vigorously rubbing it, because using sharp stones and fire makes you become evil.

I wouldn't know why or how Starfleet ever does anything.

eugenics are bad, because hitler

Exotic diseases.

>that was a really good episode
My dear Anonymous, from you I learned the joys of shitposting, your Cardassian-like subtlety was unmatched and I'm sorry I won't be able to watch you grow up into the master of bait I know you'll be.

Recommend we fire torpedos, Captain.

Fuck, now I want Hugh Laurie to be in the next Trek show

*activates cloak*
hehe, nice try kiddo
*fires behind you port nacelle*

that filename.

If the transporters could make two Kirks and two Rikers, why not use them to clone people and live forever?

I always preferred BonziBuddy to YarMeMatey.

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>*fires behind you port nacelle*

I think you mean

>*transports torpedo to your bridge*

What is the armament of the lollipop?

Remember that time when Scotty purposely trapped himself in a transporter for 100 years? He was a good engineer.

I do, that was the one where Geordi proved he had no sense of empathy, like modern niggers

Because cloning removes your 'uniqueness'.

Just like you can't store people in a computer because computers can't fathom the 'human equation'. For all its progressiveness some parts of Star Trek sucked mightily on the XVIII century romanticist cool-aid.

Transporters raise the same issue.

Correct

Please delete this

Wrong franchise.

Speaking of clones, remember the time that guy murdered his clone, and they proved it by cloning him again?

I wonder what they did with the new murderer clone

Eugene Chefor.

fug
how long has it been since we have had a B5 thread?

Reminder the Riker literally got an evil twin in a transporter accident.

The probably just let it go off to live its own life.

Scotty absorbed the life force of the other guy to do it though. Malfunction my arse, Scotty isn't going down like a bitchy, laddie.

Yeah, it was. The EMH Backup Module is what was stolen and the backup activated several centuries in the future

Reminder that Kirk literally got an evil twin in a transporter accident like 4 episodes into the franchise
(insert 'nice horn pupper' pic here)

But what if the clone clones himself and murders that, and someone clones him again to prove it?

And the Bajorans will let the original Ibudan go eventually, and he could do it again.

In a few years, the entire quadrant will be nothing but Idbudans, some cloning themselves and killing them, and the rest trying to track down which Ibudan did it.

this is what the hair cut of an 8 year old boy on a 40 year old man looks like

nice quints

The thing i never got was that they needed to cannibalise the Doctors diagnostic programme to repair the Doctor, but it was just another programme they ran in the holodeck, not some seperate piece of equipment, so therefore the diagnostic was a programme too, so wouldn't it be as simple as a copy and paste of the code?

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>But what if the clone clones himself and murders that, and someone clones him again to prove it?
It's just natural selection m8

Reminder that Riker was a shitty Kirk character clone.

This guy

>tfw both of them are dead

I don't understand why everyone was so surprised to find out they were all related and seeded by the Progenitors.

Did they not wonder about how they are genetically compatible enough to cross-breed? How a DNA scan would show considerable similarities?

I know that was essentially explaining away those things that were written from before the discovery of DNA, but it does seem odd that they played it to be such a surprise.

It was 6 billion, you racist.

>tfw JJTrek killed Nimoy

I'd rather have much django than a long life

The great river will provide

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquis_(World_War_II)
Federation CONFIRMED to be the equivalent of Nazi collaborators. Sisko was like the president of Vichy France

In that episode, specifically, they occupied the whole computer. You want a computer the size of DS9 on every ship, to hold 4 people each?

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I'm wondering how the fuck they dont have quantum computing by the 25th century

World War 2 taught us that superior things can lose t lesser things that have more numbers.

Did the Maquis win, though?

Exactly.
Couldn't they have run that diagnostic program a million times over anytime his matrix came down with "too many subroutines disease"?
The writer of that episode got lost in his own dilemma and forgot that Kes was on the Holodeck.

Which is really fucked if you think about it.

>Work at the Star Fleet Archives as a lowly data codifier
>Get the report from Picard detailing how Riker got his clone
>It includes how the accident happened in extreme detail
>Decide to try and replicate the accident because you literally have nothing better to do in the Federation's near utopia
>Get a transporter, perfect the accident into a working, predictable process on small animals 'n shit.
>Decide to go big leagues with this
>Leave Star Fleet after replicating a shit ton of materials that other warp civilizations would find rare
>Go to those civilizations in a cheap as fuck space ship with a decent transporter, trade materials for their cash, buy all the resources you'd need to build a colony: go to some uninhabited class M planet
>Stop by another planet and kidnap an infant to raise as your own
>Raise the kid to be completely obedient to you and only you
>Make and save copies of the child periodically so that if anything goes wrong you can just kill the kid if he starts getting uppity or if it dies in training
>After a while make a few copies that will become the core of your army
>Train them in advance combat techniques, give them gear from the replicators, train them how to use transporters/replicators and then teach them the science behind how it all works
>As time advances you make more replicants of the first child but now you start to subdivide them into specialists: Engineers, Scientists, Soldiers, Cooks, Laborers...
>Lather, rinse repeat until you have a few thousand fully indoctrinated and fanatically devoted kids at your command that will continue to build your colony
>Kick it into overdrive and start having some of them get proficient in space flight and ship building (since the information on how to do that stuff is nearly common knowledge) and make massive transporters that can make 100's of troops at a time
>Build your fleet
>Staff it with your replicant army
>Conquer Star Fleet

No, they made that storyline to show why there were so many Humanoid races in the galaxy.
Yet another flub when you realize that eventually a species evolves to upright or at least has one or more appendages free to manipulate matter.
Dogs would be humans by now if they'd just start walking around on their hind legs for like 1,000,000 years.

Where did you get the original French rips?

God knows. I'm also really surprised that they included that, did people really used to buy dozens of VHS of a show? It just seems like everyone would miss something like that.

They did something similar to this on ENT but with far fewer people (and they weren't clones, but test tube augments).
Oh, and Brent Spiner played the "bad guy who meant good".

So is Idris Elba in Star Trek: Sabotage supposed to be a Jem'Hadar?

It's such a horrible prosthetic; obviously made of a flexible rubber and looks completely inorganic.
Plus, I think it's coincidence mainly because the only person working on the project who actually watched any form of Trek was Simon Pegg.

The opening scene where the augment children take out a ship full of Klingon warriors without even using a weapon was pretty cool.

Huh, I just realised how egg shaped Idris' head is.

>It's a borg nanoprobes cure an entire planet of a nuclear holocaust episode.

Fuck this arc, that was one of the lowest moments of ENT
>the augments spend all their time being edgy hypocrites spoiled shits
>looking like they just walked out of hot topic
>Brent Spiner "acting"
>Soong dindu nuffin
>Augments dindu nuffin
>didn't even deliver enough Phlox
>turns out to be a "race through the ventilation shafts to catch the mcguffin" episode
>or rather, several

Borg nanoprobes were Voyager's version of "sent a [bullshit]on pulse through the main deflector dish"

>It's a Tuvok finds Janeway in a Jeffreys tube; naked, sweating and shivering, trying to boil borg nanoprobes in a Moka pot episode
The first four times were great but after that it just got too formulaic

Oh, I agree 1000%.
I found Spiner's acting in that episode to be so over-forcing this smug tone. In fact, I just now realized, he was basically playing Lore.
Not to mention all the other shit.
Somehow their shirts are all ripped and edged out. They're so advanced and intelligent but all they show them doing is acting like a bunch of Detroit street thugs.
That arc and the "black transporter inventor" were the worst parts of the fourth ENT season.
>*blues singer voice* "Na' mah boy's been trapped in SUB-SPACE.. and muh baby doll used to be your side pussy? DAMN, cain't a nigga' catch a break?"