Ask someone attempting to turn the US into a Communist country anything

Ask someone attempting to turn the US into a Communist country anything.

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why

are you aware that communism is capitalism of the state?

>he wants communism

I dont think hes aware of anything...

nice trips, shitty idea.

Because of shrinking resources, climate change and population issues, mainly.

We can be more powerful as a unit.

that may be true but atleast im not a nigger

It isn't capitalism. It is more like a series of focused labor movements.

And right now our labor movement should be to go to Mars and extract resources to meet the demand of an advanced society.

haha conservative humor is sure fun isn't it

have you heard to country joe mcdonald?

Why?
How is it preferable to capitalism?
Until resources are included in our value system and scarcity driven consumption is gone, we will not have a sustianible society.
Communism can suck my shit along with capitalism

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everyone point and laugh

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capitalism is non-sustaining and exploits workers so the 1% who controls everything benefits

Communism would be the 100% controlling everything. Everyone would have power as a citizen.

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why the US? why not Nigeria? What about Argentina? Or Georgia? Or Haiti? Why the US?

Because once the US goes Communist, we will then help the rest of the world achieve that status.

Not without an authoritarian regime to inforce fair play, so the state has power over citizens. I'm not suggesting a free for all, but a transformation into a resource based value system, where people can live their own life's and a sustainable equalitarian lifestyle is incentivized rather than forced.

Why cant other countries be the catalyst? Why does it have to be the US?

Thats the socio-political structure of capitalism. On a global stage, the purpose of communism is to be more economically sufficient than freedom of the market.

Josef Stalin was preaching that communism was economically more sustainable than capitalism, implying communism would profit more capital than capitalism

Why do you feel the need to control others? Why not move somewhere with a system more to your liking?

Actually since the science is solid that we're frankly going to go extinct if we continue with this unsustainable system, no, Most of the country would realize we need to change drastically--or die.

If you want to join the small percentage that would engage that majority and hope to win, then you've watched too many Chuck Norris movies.

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answer my question faggot

why the US? I know what your 'goal' is, but why here?

Because the US is the leading political power in the world. Once we break the current paradigm, others, like Europe especially, would follow suit.

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can't make me into a monkey
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You know that has never worked and will never work, largely due to human nature. Why am I going to put in all the effort to become a doctor when I can make just as much money as a Janitor? Who will deliver pizza in this communist state? Do you not understand that communism is what caused the cultural shift in Russia that has created the culture of coruptiin they have had for the last 30-40 years? And you want that here? You talk of sustainability, but look at commnist China and its never ending flow of toxic waste.
Capitalism is what is driving "green" energy. We vote with our wallets more than anything else. Want to go to Mars? start telling companies that and someone will figure out how to make it happen. You dont get innovation on thay scale with commnism.

Yes, if the money were going directly into the means of production instead of just shareholders, a communist economy would be more sufficient.

What's your point.

Maybe it would have been economically sustianible if capitalism could cooperate with other systems.
Too bad economical sustianible isn't ecologically sustainable. The market paradigm and it's scarcity driven consumption is the real cancer.

This isn't about controlling others. It's about pooling our resources in the wake of great natural and environmental crises.

You want to pretend our dog-eat-dog paradism is sustainable. Climate change and shrinking resources prove that it isn't.

Collectivism is really the only efficient way of ensuring survival of our species.

Oh right, we are the leading political power in THE WORLD...

Now tell me... how could that possibly have happened if communism is better?

I've answered it several times. Pipe down and read the thread.

bcause its the biggest economy in the world and if you go communist you will try to pull everyone to play the same game using your rules.
it happened already. last century.

What is the difference between a man and a parasite?
A man builds. A parasite asks 'Where is my share?' A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'

Well I'm not advocating staying like we are.
I'm advocating radical change, and throwing markets in the trash where they belong. Communism is still keeping the worst parts of capitalism in tact. It's trying to control capitalism.

These are really typical arguments naysayers use, so not going to waste time "refuting" them. Learn how to think for yourself instead of just gobbling up blowhard right-wing bullshit.


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>We vote with our wallets more than anything else.

When we have an economic structure controlled by 1% of the population, no we don't.

You want to be a cog in a corporate wheel that leads to nothing but profit for a few.

I am offering a world where everyone makes a difference and we get off this planet as a team, not as some accomplishment some aging executive can reflect on while fucking his hot trophy wife.

my question was rhetorical, see

How does it feel knowing you're the dumbest, most arrogantly ignorant, hateful subhuman jewish cuck to ever live?

We would use our influence to build a stronger version of the United Nations to ensue local sovereignties. But the Security Council votes would be binding, the biggest difference.

is not all about money my friend.
communism has never been implemented in any country ever (complete abolition of private property)
capitalism and neoliberalism will not last more than 20 years. it is clear that is not the way forward.

It's not capitalism. Why do you keep using that word.

The capital belongs to the people, not corporations.

Thats not the question you subhuman hillary jew

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>Capitalism is what is driving "green" energy.
grow up kid.
because of capitalism we are all intoxicated and fat.

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>Collectivism is really the only efficient way of ensuring survival of our species.
lol. stellaris wiki fat-trap faggot detected.

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so in other words you ignore what doesnt fit your narative because it makes a good point and you might have to admit to being wrong.
Read "The Road to Serfdom" by Hyeck. He basically outlines how capitalism must have Socialist undertones in order to function (public schools, roads) and that its the responsibility of the goverment to prevent any one company from stiflign competition.
With the current push for corporat responsibility it seems to me that companies are doingn their best to maketheir workers happy because their customers demand it.

thank you

I'd forgotten just how cringing being 12 felt

Mans greatest arrogance is that he thinks he is above nature. You would be better off engineering a new species that had no individualism.

nigga

communism is shit

reform capitalism instead.

capitalism is shit when it comes to householding resources and stuff, but its great for success in science and progress people and so on.

No it's more like you're using a familar tactic of bombarding your opponent with bullshit, expecting him to wade through that garbage, and then recommending a book.

You're a liar. Let's just set that straight. You're using the usual fear and disinformation that frankly McCarthy would have used if grilled as to why he opposed collectivism.

Why have stoped taking your pills?

How are we such a pivotal and important global power that is vital to your agenda to spread communism when we are among the most capitalistic countries out there? How on earth can you say communism is better, when you clearly admit our strength as a global power and we are capitalistic to the bone?

Thats like saying you want everyone to be great at chess, so you're going to talk to the greatest players out there and convince them to play like shit.

I addressed your argument.

Move on. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of "crazy."

The funny thing is that people seem to think that because we would be collective, that individual strengths wouldn't be important.

The problem is that "individualism" is taken to mean "kneejerk rejection of authority" mostly by paranoid right wingers.

You addressed nothing. You ignored the question entirely and answered your own question. It's called a strawman

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Communism does nothing to hinder the rapid destruction of the natural systems we depend on because it is anthropocentric and considers the needs of the people and not the earth that supports us. We need to work within the confines of the natural world, as defined by science or we will continue to consume at an unstutainable level.
That's why I want a system where the abundance of a resource, and the causal effects of allocation determine its value.

Again, I have addressed this point on more than two different occasions in this thread.

We are a global power. The biggest. Deal with it. Saying "nuh uh no we ain't" just makes you sound like a huge retard.

Again, the biggest reason to go collective is to work together as a country to go to Mars and set up a colony to mine resources.

It would be much like the way the country came together in WWII to fight a common enemy, only this time the enemy is possible extinction.

We need a world event like going to Mars in partnership to make the next 500-1000 years possible. Not even trolling.

HOW IS COMMUNISM BETTER IF WE ARE THE BIGGEST POWER AND WE ARE NOT COMMUNIST?

oh really? Tell me, why are Tesla cars so expensive, yet popular? For that matter why is every car maker putting out an electric or hybrid car? Why are solar panels appearing on the tops of homes? Is it by the graciousness of the hearts of our leaders or because people are buying them?
"Communists" are all people who are too lazy to work and want to blame that mythical 1%...who own all the media companies that promote comminism.

>Im taking my ball and going home
Great argument you presented there

allcaps doesn't make you any less 12

stop posting

Communism is an economic system defined as "the workers own the means of production."

It is a form of collectivism, where certain resources are redistributed from individuals to the collective. In the case of communism, these resources are "the means of production."

It is a real world economic implementation of Marxism ideology, which advocates "From those according to their ability, to those according to their needs."


So, Communism is basically taking away companies, corporations, and factories from those who had the skill and ability to create them, and giving those resources to the workers, people who did not have the skill and ability to create production. How long do you think a society will last when it's infrastructure is run by those who do not know how to run it?

You can look to historical examples for an answer.

No. Merely by people who dont want some self appointed parent figure running their lives.

No I'm definitely still here

you're a neo-mccarthyite

revel in it

yeah well again, that would be some small percentage of the population with poverty issues and possibly mental illness sounding that call

the vast majority of this country would realize the need to change our ways, or die.

>So, Communism is basically taking away companies, corporations, and factories from those who had the skill and ability to create them, and giving those resources to the workers, people who did not have the skill and ability to create production.

bare assertion is bare

and that's the crux of your argument?
weak

sticks and stones mr user, sticks and stones.

Your argument is based solely on a subjective notion that communism is "better" which you have even admitted is not true by your preference of a capitalistic country over all other countries. You are so logically fallacious and you can't even see it.

OP is the type of nigga to ride a roller coaster with goggles on

No your weakass barrage of text got called out, and now you're playing victim.

This is a common tactic social conservatives use as well. I can read you like a book.

says the faggot screaming in ALLCAPS

If I'm a Ricardian Socialist, are we allies?

except I said no such thing, and that communism is not capitalism

you're just a faggot aren't you

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No sir. The desire to control human beings as if they were a machine to be driven is a mental illness. Your paranoid obsession with 'survival of the species' is just as moronic as these doomsday preppers. You act as though it would be so bad if humans went extinct which makes me question whether or not youre some sort of religious nut, in which case you need not worry about survival because your god will decide for you anyways.

You're welcome to refute it, but those are the definitions of the terms you defend

Nah dude, there is plenty of room for a population double to have a better standard of living than we do. All we need to do is get rid of scarcity driven consumption, smart population control instead of a natural crash.
We need to take care of what we have, we have no way to produce biotic resources on Mars, it would probably cost more to get there and we aren't biologically capable of landing on Mars after mircogravity for so long. So it's science fiction, we find a way to take care of what we got now or we will never get to Mars. Communism is incentivized overexpoltiation, just like capitalism.

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hahaha a little clueless pale kid with no idea of how the world works talking about solar panels and laziness.
poverty is an abstraction except for the people that has suffered from it.
come back when you understand that and when you have read about salvador allende and all the smaller countries the US had bullied for over 70 years just to drain its natural resources.
la humanidad ya caminará sobre las grandes alamedas; y va a ser nuestra(!) generación la que va a gobernar esta primers mitad del nuevo siglo.

Anarcho Communism or Vanguard Communism? If the latter youre retarded and it wont work, if the former it already exists anyway as it is naturally existing within reality in which case you are either in harmony with it or youre not just as with nature in general.

Again, you are talking like some paranoid face it Trumpfag type who would make up a small percentage of the population.

You will be expected to go along with progress the rest of the majority VOTED FOR and for you own sake you had better not try something stupid like taking up arms.

That call went out 50 years ago.

And we're just starting to take climate change seriously now.

Do the math.

That means in roughly 40 years, the consequences of the shit we were supposed to take care of 50 years ago will be double or triple the effects we're experiencing now.

Too late to do it that way. Big business cannot be persuaded to go to Mars. It has to be a labor-intensive project like we saw in WWII where the populace comes together.

More like an anarcho-communism based on a parliamentary system.

Take a look at the unemployment rate, the poverty rate, criminality rate, development index, the education rate and the happiness index of the USA. And than take a look at some more socialistic countries like denmark or norway.

In fact the poverty rate is increasing over the past years, as direct consequences of the capitalism. Rich people stay rich, poor people stay poor, if you are poor you won't get rich.

While socialism says that everyone gets what he works for. People who work more will get what they deserve. If you work twice as hard as someone else you will get twice the money.

Isn't that what all you americans want? So why stay with this capitalism which destroys your society more and more, and don't even try to get a little bit socialist.

The most funny thing about this is, that the poor people are the most capitalistic, but they are the once who suffer the most because of it.

And the argument that the USA is a great economical power is shit, you might have big companies, but the average american is way poorer than for example in denmark, which is, surprise, way more socialistic.

Now I know for certain you're a troll, you could have done better.

What is your favorite toast spread?

How much did Hillary pay you? Also why not fascism, the most effective method of collectivist authoritarianism?

Not even trolling. "Individualism" is often mistakenly taken to mean "defiance," especially by Trumpfag types and Teabaggers--which are the same thing.

And it's up to you as to whether you want to join a better society or act like Civil War rejects.

Because fascism relies on a strict power structure where government and business partner.

With Communism it's a community process where democracy drives policy, not a dictator.

Plum jam from some trees down the road.

pleb peanut butter is clearly master race

Also Hillary is not "Communist." In fact her saying she wants to "reach across the aisle" like Obama did is center-right, not leftist.

Not on toast you weird faggot