>Bran gets touched by Nights King
>"Walkers can reach us now you have to leave."
>Waste time fucking around in dreamland until its too late
Holy shit I'm pissed at the way this played out! Why the fuck did they wait so long that a slow moving army of ice zombies is able to reach them before they're ready to go?!
It was intentional. Bran had to be there to fuck up hodor's mind and complete the time loop.
But if they just left immediately then they wouldn't have needed Hodor to hold the door and Hodor's retardation could have stemmed from something more interesting.
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Watch the notes after the show.
The writers mentioned that the bloodraven was in a hurry to "upload" as many memories into Bran as possible before the wlakers came. That's why they went back into dreamland immediately, because bran "wasn't ready."
This.
There is nothing interesting happening at the time point they are at.
Bloodraven was keeping him there on purpose to scramble wyllis' brain.
>The writers mentioned that the bloodraven was in a hurry to "upload" as many memories into Bran as possible before the wlakers came
We scifi now
>not understanding it was intentional
>not figuring out the children want to exterminate humanity
Does he know Kung Fu now
Upload was the word the writers used - not me.
I'm still not buying it. Sacrificing yourself, the forest girls, and risking Bran's life in the process just for the sake of a few extras memories is pretty fucking stupid.
If they just hurried their slow asses up and got out of there then Blood Raven wouldn't be killed and he could still help Bran by giving him dreams and vision like he did before in past seasons.
The Blood Raven is Bran though. Old version of Bran pulling his Warg, timeloop thing to teach himself.
"The time has come to become me"
>you will not become me
>the time has come to become me
what did he mean by this
lol bravo, D&D
I don't know. After he said "become me" Bran asked "Am I ready" and he said no. Then they dove back into dreamland to give him as many memories as possible before the walkers came.
Ok that doesn't change any of my points. Get young Bran out quickly and old Bran stays alive to guide him from afar.
matrix style
>pretty fucking stupid
hey DABID
They would never have gotten there in the first place if they didn't have Hodor with them the whole time. That's not the only thing Hodor has ever done.
>6 years of build up to this guy
>Is gone after appearing for 3 episodes and saying absolutely nothing of importance
perfect summary from when his character first appears on screen
>I have been waiting for you
>you are not ready
>it is time to go
>you have seen enough
>you can't linger too long
>DID HE TOUCH YOU? OH SHIT TIME TO BECOME ME
>dies
Who cuts Bloodraven's hair?
When I heard them say that I figured taking him back to Winterfell wasn't him showing Bran something important more that Winterfell was essentially a loading screen while he was uploading the memories to Bran.
>Implying Hodor wouldn't have gone with Bran if he wasn't retarded
>Implying a smart Hodor wouldn't have helped them more on their journey.
The same people that cut the original actor.
Wow could anyone be more retarded.
>Children of the Forest want to destroy humanity
>sacrificing their lives to save the person in charge of ending the White Walkers
It's pretty clear they aren't on the wipe out humans train anymore.
He took him back to Winterfell so he could scramble Hodor's brains at the exact moment he needed to.
I'm telling you, Bran IS the three eyed raven - he and the old man are the same person separated by time.
>Cousins are made so we don't have to fuck our brothers and sisters.
His Holiness, the Dalai Lama
this. just fucking god awful.
Worst part being he wasn't even SURPRISED by the night king stepping through time and space and touching Bran.
He immediately knew the repercussions and clearly already knew the Night's King was capable of doing that.
Couldn't he have specifically warned Bran:
>hey, if that spikey guy touches you we're all fucked so don't pull that shit you pulled back at the tower of joy, you got me?
Brynden Rivers
BloodRaven
BRan
BR
BR?
huehuehue
What could this mean?
We scifi the giver.
>I'm telling you, Bran IS the three eyed raven - he and the old man are the same person separated by time.
>old man: I've been here for thousands of years
>somehow Bran is also this old man
k
damn bran grew up to look like a literal retard
>the giver.
Yeah, the entire Bloodraven plotline is a flagrant rip-off of the The Giver, honestly.
>complaining that it's unreasonable to guess 3ER is Bran because he's 1000 years old
>Bran literally makes Wyllis retarded before he's even born
Because that would be so impossible in a world of time-travel, magic, and dragons where people often speak in metaphor, right?
fuck off mozart
>I'm still not buying it. Sacrificing yourself, the forest girls, and risking Bran's life in the process just for the sake of a few extras memories is pretty fucking stupid.
Unless you are close to dying anyway.
WTF is D&D meme?
>Bran literally makes Wyllis retarded before he's even born
Once you can timetravel you can do most anything.
Fucking THIS
Bran means Raven in Celtic languages.
You fucking idiot, get yourself a culture.
jesus you're new. lurk moar
People believe in Jesus Christ.
I'm buying this.
>Once you can timetravel you can do most anything.
Exactly - including travelling back in time to mentor your younger self in a tree.
lol I forgot about this. literally a couple of episodes before Bran complains about how useless them hanging around the cave is (and he's right), and says "I don't want to be like you". The Raven assures him he won't be.
Fast forward and he gets touched by the NK and it's "Lol jk, ready to be me?"
>we had to contrive plot based nonsense to kill a character that people liked just to remind you that you're watching a super serial show, guiz
nah
he's also Bran the Builder
Just explain
I searched D&D meme Game of Thrones on Google but of course I am drowned in standard Dungeons and Dragons memes rather than GoT ones.
Is this a reference to lousy plotlines?
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>slow moving army of ice zombies
They move as slow as zerglings from starcraft.
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Soon...
I kind of assumed that he warged into the past and met the nights king, so by the time bran awoke, the army was already pretty close since they knew they had to be there at that time
>predestination paradoxes in low fantasy series
You guys are acting like he can just skip around time and fuck with whatever he wants. The 3ER said that the past is the past and can't be changed. The fact that they were both a physical presence together at the same moment in time would be a paradox if they were the same person. The 3ER has to be someone else - my guess is he's the First Hero
ackshully zerglings move pretty slow until you research metabolic boost
i should know, I'm korean
It's a reference to the two guys who write the show - David and someone else who's name starts with a D. The complaint is that they aren't GRRM and can't write as good as him.
You're welcome.
Come on. I don't have time to waste.
If you know the answer and do spend more time typing and linking shit rather than giving it away... you're just irrational and unwilling to share.
Thank you.
>The 3ER said that the past is the past and can't be change
That's the point, user. The past must unfold as it already has. So Bran's fucking about in the timeline HAS to happen to ensure that the time line keeps on keeping on.
>time paradox
This isn't legit quantum physics - it's a show about magic and dragons. The actual implications of time travel don't apply. Maybe once you reach prime Warg status you can physically travel through time. Who knows - the writers can do whatever they want.
That would mean one of two things: Bran has the power to literally move into the future to influence the events of the present. (the present being adolescent hodor freaking out, the future being zombie attack)
or
Bran has the power to move into the past to influence the future - which we know he doesn't.
The two events in two different points in time are inextricably linked - one brings about the other. So the only other option would be that everything is predestined
Exactly
>Scene in icy caves, eerily lit by cold blue flames
>Night's King opens his day planner, licks a finger and begins flipping thru the pages
>"Let's see, oh yeah - conquer Hardhome next Thursday, but I need to keep the 15th open to go kill that little faggot in the big werewood tree. Can't believe that's already here, where does the time go?"
>everything is predestined
It is. That's the sense I'm getting from the show.
>I don't really understand what's going on or if it makes any sense, but it's a show with magic and dragons so who cares it doesnt have to make sense.
Nah, sorry. I don't think like you. Suspension of disbelief in fantasy only goes so far. If you're going to include time travel in your writing, it's imperative that it follows some kind of guideline imho.
>Bran has the power to move into the past to influence the future - which we know he doesn't.
See, that's where I disagree. The very first voyage into the past was all about watching this "true story" about how Ned defeated lord Dual Wield one on one, but it didn't. The precedent is set. They followed it up by fucking ruining a young boys life just so he would know to hold the door for twenty seconds while jewfu carried bran into the blizzard.
>"But, am I ready?"
>"...Almost"
F I X E D
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Well maybe it will all come together. I guess that's up to the skill of the writers. I didn't say it was "ok" necessarily - but portraying time travel in a realistic sense in a fantasy show isn't necessarily easy. I'm willing to let it slide in this context.
The story with Ned was to illustrate how the truth gets altered and warped when passed down through human writing and stories, because everything when told through a human filter is subjective. It wasn't the past being changed, it was the past exactly as it was, and not how it was told to Bran in his history books. The 3ER literally said he can't change the past.
>Bran's fucking around that short timespan caused both Hodor's long life retardation and his death
what a little shit.
Samefag
Anybody feel like shoppin' some "punished" Hodor memes?
But he DID technically change the past - that was the entire point of the Hodor thing. His presence there had an influence on the past.
Also, in the Ned Stark situation, he yelled to his father and made him turn around. The 3ER said it was nothing but who says he's telling the truth? He's just telling Bran what he needs to hear at the time. Just like the Oracle in the Matrix ;)
Why would I thank myself?
D&D are way too inept to start incorporating time travel dynamics in their OC storyline. If you think about it at all you will quickly realize that this is retarded.
How is bran supposed to be simultaneously warging/controlling hodor when he is also back in the wierwood.net checking out hodor having a siezure. There isn't a precedent for this phenomenon in the books, and for that reason it is retarded.
why was HODOR so FAT?
But the old man is a Brandyn "Bloodraven" Rivers, a Targaryen bastard even older than Maester Aemon. I don't think any amount of Intreenet fuckery can make it so Brandon Stark becomes Brandyn Rivers.
Hodor's always retarded. He's just there to finish the time loop
>The 3ER has to be someone else - my guess is he's the First Hero
Not to be a bookfag, but 3ER is Brynden Rivers.
That's who he says he is. I forgot - was his identity confirmed by anyone else in the show?
>implying that all that ever was hasnt already been uploaded to wierwood.net
blood raven isn't the network, just a user.
this. it's not a question of 'science', it's just basic logic. same shitty concept with the x-men time travel movie
>we have to go back in time to prevent this thing from threatening the world in the future
>we did it
>now the world was never in danger
>so we won't have to go back in time to save the world
because Meera was talking to him about eating burgers and sht right before he got chronowarg'd
>his mouth always said Hodor
>his brain was saying burgers
No but his description in the books is perfectly accurate to Bloodraven. White hair, albino, red eye, the birthmark. A thousand eyes and one.
Nigga is Bloodraven.
dont you get it. bran wasnt being trained much. in the books its more of a thing but in the show not at all
D&D said it was because its boring but maybe it was because it would undermine the fact its meaningless
Yes - but we all know the show =/= the book now.
>Hodor's always retarded.
No, the show goes out of it's way to show us Hodor had been a normal person.
Then Bran fucks over Hodor's entire life for reasons.
>werewood
this kind of shit is why i dislike this board.
If relying on the books, you don't even have to point to his description to confirm his identity. He tells Meera Reed at one point that his given name was Brynden.
Hodor wasn't really retarded though. A bit simple, and he could only Hodor, but he seemed to perfectly understand everyone, he could do work, take commands, and function as a human. Who's to say he wasn't already a touch slow when he was Walder/Wylis?
It's not the same at all though. The X-Men went back in time to change their present. In this, the present and the past are effectively happening simultaneously. In GoT's version, one can't exist without the other.
how do you expect some cunt fused to a tree to leaf?
You've got the correct words in there but you are confusing yourself based on what's been presented. He influenced the 'past' but did not 'change' it. Jodie always spazed out, Ned always heard the wind. If we had seen these events previously they would have happened exactly the same but now we know that Bran was there in whatever you want to call his form.
I'm beginning to hate the wise ol' mentor who always remains vague and speaks in riddles.
Keeps knowledge to himself/herself that could be told to student anyway without any repercussions.
>"upload"
>In this, the present and the past are effectively happening simultaneously.
See, this is where one of the biggest hangups comes from in story telling. You following characters in a certain future do something to influence the past, the cease to exist if you're operating within the persistent timeline explanation. Even though they never technically existed, their presence influenced the relative present.Their actions could better influence a branching timeline.
It's why time travel and tampering is a fucking messy plot device. You're either predestined, or the story arc spirals off beyond what is currently true.
you are assuming that bloodraven has bran's interests at heart. he does not.
the best part about these threads is the same faggots coming back next week to complain about the next episode
> good memeing
He was uploading EVERYTHING into Bran