Would I call myself Conservative, Libertarian or Liberal...

Would I call myself Conservative, Libertarian or Liberal? I don't know which one my ideologies would fit into because I have very mixed opinions on social issues. I'll gree text my stances.

>believe in capitalism
>pro-choice
>believe in gay marriage
>believe people can be trans if they wish
>Anti-Feminist/Black Lives Matter/PETA/LGBT (any liberal group really)
>anti (excessive) immigration
>pro-rights for gun owners
>believe in free market
>non-religious but support religions unless they are used in the means of trying to justify wrong actions (terrorism, violence against gays etc)

I think I lean more towards libertarian but I'm not exactly sure

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fool.com/investing/2016/08/13/donald-trump-just-revamped-his-tax-plan-but-left-1.aspx
donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/an-america-first-economic-plan-winning-the-global-competition
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>believe in capitalism
oh you're a slavemaster. go get a whip from the pile

Fuck off communist scum

sorry that i care about the lives of the individual

Not taking the bait faggot

You would call yourself a faggot

You're a run of the mill Centre Soft Libertarian. Why? You're only slightly Conservative in an American context in regard to gun control, and you believe in the free market, but in all other regards, you're morally Liberal.

You probably watch Sargon, quite like Milo and enjoy some Amazing Atheist. You're probably the kind of guy that says; "Well, Bernie was a good guy who had noble aspirations, but his plans aren't economically viable, I also don't like people wishing to suppress my freedom of speech on campus, and Islam definitely is a problem.".

Soon you'll discover Ayn Rand and Objectivism, you'll begin watching Molymeme and learning about political philosophy, you'll eventually leave the purple and go into the blue, and conclude at an extreme ideology after you consume intense and metaphysical books and philosophy. If you want to hurry up that process, read some Evola, Pound, Tocqueville, Savitri and Heidegger.

Take the redpill dude, become a NeoReactionary.

Not even gonna lie to you bro you genuinely hit the nail in the head and I'm very impressed. I was neo reactionary for a while. I've kind of broadened my horizons over the past couple of years. Again, spot on with everything about my interests and opinions. 10/10 Sup Forumsro

hey OP, i'm like you. i tried to get political a few years ago and became involved with some activist groups.

the problem is, i'm more right-wing and most activists aren't. i advocate for common sense and less bureaucracy.

>abortion only in cases of medical emergency
>no gay marriage, but allow civil unions which hold the same legal value
>trans to be given mental health evaluations and assessments. under 18 hormone blockers illegal. and no bathroom privileges.
>all radical groups that riot or cause dissent will be dealt with harshly
>sensible gun ownership rights, must be a member of a club and actively participate in competitions or have a valid reason to own a gun. home defense is fine, but no public carry, ever.
>religion should be free for all people to choose and worship and they please, but no government funded places of worship, and no tax breaks for religious orgs.

as for the market, its too difficult for governments to effectively control global commerce in this day and age, so its about smart taxes. allowing big companies to avoid tax is a bad idea and should be seriously evaluated.

so yeah, my ideas dont fit with any of the libcuck ideologies, and im still too left-wing for the conservatives. feels bad man.

Honestly you got everything to a T with that post and I'm very impressed, thought I'd say it again

Yeah I see myself as rightwing too bro. But I don't think we're rightwing enough. I think conservatives believe you're only really conservative if you're an alt-right storemfront user. And I agree with your bureaucracy statement. The EU is fucked with them. So much unelected officials that's why I'm happy Britain left them.

Glad I'm pretty good at reading people's political ideology. Just call yourself a Centre-Libertarian mate. As far as I'm concerned, I'd take you guys over any kind of Commie or Lefty any day of the week, because at least you guys hold reasonable opinions.

>I was neo reactionary for a while. I've kind of broadened my horizons over the past couple of years.
What happened? Most people tend to conclude on the Far Right.

You're a soft Conservative. The ultimate defining factor of what makes someone right or left wing is whether you think equality is a morale good or morale evil.

>Do you think all people are equal and should be given equal opportunity, regardless of actual skill or ability, since they are Human beings?
You're likely a left winger.
>Do you think all people are unequal and we should preserve this hierarchy in order for a society to function?
You're likely a right winger.

You were definitely spot on about many of my ideologies and were correct on me being a follower of Sargon, Milo and TJ.

I held alt-right beliefs for a while because it was the way I was raised basically. After I looked into things more myself I made my own opinions on certain aspects, although I am still a UKIP supporter.

I take it you're far right yourself Sup Forumsro?

everyone in this thread is neckbeard cancer. How many of you still live with your moms?

So edgy, calling anons neck beards while I bet you're the type of faggot to browse loli threads you cretin. We're having a discussion which seems too intellectual for someone who uses the "HURR DURR YOU LIVE WITH YOUR MOM" argument

Very intellectual. I bet you're voting for trump. Have you considered that under his tax plan, if you make up to $91,150 you'll see a tax cut of 665.25? If you make 1 mill/year, you'll see a tax cut of $41,610.70. If you aren't rich there is literally no rational reason to vote for him.

I describe myself as a slightly right(economic) wing libertarian. The most important philosophy to remember in relevance to our modern problems is not to interfere with the unknown and or working systems.
>Gay marriage should be legal but clerks have the right to deny it as long as it is still available in their region
>We should instill anti-discrimination laws for lgbt people, but steer clear of over doing it and giving them extra privileges
>The 2nd amendment will never go away, but we need to either require background checks for private sales or ban private sales. I don't believe semi-automatic guns should be legal outside of gun clubs.
>We need to close tax haven loopholes and add a few tax brackets. We also need to fix our national debt. America is addicted to giving out too many loans and long term debt, we need to permanently install a debt ceiling to what it is and stop increasing our spending above the budget. Healthcare is not a right of the people and we need to give more power to the private sector of healthcare; at the same time though, hospitals need to disclose costs and fees openly. And under no circumstances should I, a hard-working citizen, pay for someone else's economic losses. Welfare should be meant to help people get a job, not sustain them. Too many single parent family and middle class people are in debt and out of luck, we need to stop outsourcing jobs.
>Overpopulation is a serious problem that needs to be dealt with
>Global warming is an issue that needs to be dealt with
>We can't bring immigrants from Syria
>We need to intervene with young Muslims in Iraq by leading them away from radicalization
>The core subjects taught in school are shit, children should be focusing on the humanities such as philosophy, love, and social skills and then they can specialize

your image is way off. left to right is change vs the status quo. Right wants to conserve the status quo, where left wants to change it, Right is lest risk, but less reward, left is more risk and more reward if it succeeds.

Up and down is the level of government influence in this process. Top is authoritarian, where the bottom is Libertarian. As you approach authoritarian the government does more for you, but it also gives you less freedom to do for yourself. As you approach libertarian, the government gives you more freedom, but it also doesn't help you nearly as much.

I take it you're a Bernie supporter? He has changed his tax plan before so o can't tell if you're talking about the right tax plan. Candidates change their tax plans all the time. Can I get a citation?

Oh, I forgot.

In conclusion, all the candidates were shit this year. I'm voting for shillary.

#mentallyhill

>redpill
>good
Redpillers are more or less the same as blue pillers except they are on the other side of the coin, both breed degeneracy, both are for people who only consum media instead of thinking about stuff themself.

1. An unnecessary and extra step on their path to marriage. If the mandate is there for them to get married there is no reason to allow actors of the state to deny it.
2. easier said than done but I agree.
3. I agree in principle.
4. You have two points in this one. Tax have loopholes are bad. National debt... not necessarily. The government isn't like a personal checking account. Up to a certain extent, gov't debt actually has been shown to increase gdp. You can read about it. Our ratio of debt to gdp is actually quite good when you look at world metrics. Healthcare - I agree in principle about not letting people free ride the system, but you can't have people with pre-existing conditions go untreated. You also can't have people without insurance going to the emergency room because it actually ends up costing the taxpayer more.
5. Overpopulation will stabilize as countries develop. Don't pull your hair out over it. Look at population trends in japan and europe. USA is growing only because of immigration.
6. Global warming is a serious issue.
7. We bring very few immigrants from Syria if you look at the actual numbers and compare it to the population. Worry about more important things.
8. How do you propose doing this in a way that doesn't create more hostility toward USA?
9. If you think what we need is more philosophy, I'm guessing you are under 20 years of age.

It's the new one. Go look at his site.

3 tax brackets, 12%, 25%, 33%

And no, bernie would raise taxes on everyone.
Never favored bernie.

Shit I actually agree with all of that. Not pandering or anything, we actually share a lot of the same views. America definitely does need to stop giving handouts. I think Trump may be handy in that region with his past experience in business and whatnot. I definitely believe that we should give rights to all groups of people, but not to go overboard as we all know what happens when you give radical leftist groups and inch. They'll always take a mile. This is why I'm happy the UK left the EU. If Turkey get their Brussels Membership come October that is a fee entry for Syrian refugees to enter our door without a VISA which is incredibly predictable in which will happen. Germany and Sweden are fucked already. There was a petition set by the Islamic community in Germany a few weeks ago in order to ban Oktoberfest (very old German tradition and festival) as it is "anti-Islamic". Merkel forgets they need her, she doesn't need them.

I hope to one day see a western world where Farage and Trump are in power, if Farage comes back that is.

#neverher

Trump's taxplan is almost exactly the same as Hillary, except she's decided to tax the rich by a 5% income increase. This will severely hurt and diminish local reinvestment of capital.

Neither are great, but Trump's is significantly more economically sound, plus the 0-50k new bracket under Trump's would be exempt from any kind of income tax. Which is a pretty good idea to be.

So, it's your choice fella.

Absolutely on the right, hopefully as far right as possible. Feels good.

Left to right is economic and morale inequality. The left believe in making it an equal playing field, the right believe in making it an unequal playing field.

Yeah, you're right. Redpill is just a fine term to use in regard to "turning to the right"

>The core subjects taught in school are shit, children should be focusing on the humanities such as philosophy, love, and social skills and then they can specialize

Im far left and i think this is retarded, you cant understeand how the world works without core subjects, this would breed a genearation of idiots

Libertarian Right

Is Hillary's tax plan any better? I haven't even seen her tax plan. I already know I would never support her. She is genuinely corrupt. There is always the 3rd party option however, which America always forgets. But I've never witness a 3rd party nomination in my lifetime.

I was thinking that's what I'd be. But a lot of my ideologies contradict beliefs in all directions of the system.

You haven't compared the tax plans at all have you? Let me spell it out for you:

Hillary:

10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33%, 35%, 39.6%

Trump

12%, 25%, 33%

You are just speaking out of your ass. Yes hillary will raise tax on top by 4%.

taxfoundation.org/comparing-2016-presidential-tax-reform-proposals

educate yourself you dumb fuck.

Over half of marriages fail because we are never taught how to love. Anxiety is essentially part of our nature and suicide rates are over the roof. Students need to learn about life more importantly than business. Core subjects become innefective after grade school.

also that 0-50k thing isn't happening anymore. There is nothing I hate more than stupid fuckers like you. You don't have a right to your opinion. You have a right to your educated opinion.

I'm sorry you have an anxiety problem but I also am sorry to say that philosophy won't help you with that.

>Over half of marriages fail because we are never taught how to love
You cant teach someone how to love, it's a abastract notion that works diferently for everyone
> Anxiety is essentially part of our nature and suicide rates are over the roof.
Caused by too much stress not lack of love dipshit
>Core subjects become innefective after grade school.
How so?

Well, it's nice to know that you are intentionally ignorant. Nothing better than a retard who wants to stay that way.

Why don't you go look at her tax plan and tell me. She isn't changing anything other than raising it on the top income earners.

And why don't you vote for someone other than a madman who will just help rich guys? At least with a 3rd party vote you are making a statement.

I'm not exactly on the same level with you. It was a bad idea for breakfast to happen. I believe in global economy. He problem that is happening is that we loan countries that are failing, which only ruins both our economies. it would be much more effective to lower export/import taxes and invest for failing countries. Trump is a bad candidate because he hatred, elitism and nationalism.

For one, the top income bracket's income will be taxed at 33%, originally 25%. That's a substantial change.

And, as far as I'm aware, the 0-50k bracket is still there, I haven't read or heard anywhere that it's gone, but beyond 50k, the brackets are as follows:

>12%
>25%
>33%

Also, you should calm down, no use getting so mad about a random stranger on the interwebs.

Bro, you're not really in the right spot to be calling anyone ignorant if you're voting Killary. She has flip flopped and lied her whole career. She's just money hungry. I just looked up her tax plan and its up to 39.6%. Higher than Trumps.

Might i suggest a youtube channel to clear this up for you?: youtube.com/channel/UC7IcJI8PUf5Z3zKxnZvTBog

this chart makes no sense and its biased af. I am an anarcocapitalist, so what? am i a fucking leftish because i want freedom in everypossible way??? really, get your facts str8, byebye

>Voting for a woman that will flood our country with unelected bureaucrats

Well you can't exactly get an elected bureaucracts now can you

I get angry when assholes like you spout their stupid opinions without bothering to check if they are right. You have literally the whole sum of human knowledge at your fingertips and yet you still are a fucking idiot.

New tax plan, 3 brackets dipshit:

fool.com/investing/2016/08/13/donald-trump-just-revamped-his-tax-plan-but-left-1.aspx

The top income tax bracket was changed to 33% in his plan, yes. But currently it's 39.6%. That is a huge drop when you're talking about millions of dollars.

You sound like a market libertarian.
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Die capi scum

Did I say I was voting for her? How about you address my points instead of going on the offensive?

Also the current tax plan is 39.6% dumbass. Do you make over $415,050? If not you don't have to worry about it.

>implying any other system works as well as capitalism

Calm down Stalin

>Implying that capitalism and communism are the only systems possible for humans to co exist in

feudalism 2016

Once again, there's nothing in that article which says otherwise.

Trump has refined the the % of income taxed for the 3 established brackets which will be taxed, and it says on his website, that low income Americans will still be owing 0%. Likely still in the works for a specific cut off point for the new revamped tax code.

I'll wait on him to negotiate with GOP senators as to what he should do. If he does not specify who the "0% income workers" are, I'll be disappointed by his back peddling, but your claim that the 0-50k bracket is gone is simply unfounded and a panic against literally nothing whatsoever.

I'll wait on him, he's promised that low income earners are still exempt, so we'll just have to wait and see. Nonetheless, Hillary's is still significantly more economically destructive.

>implying any of them work

Western society has prospered due to capitalism. Socialism, communism, objectivism etc have all failed

>Implying that communism, capitalism and feudalism are the only possible systems

You clearly didn't read the article.

"Whereas Trump's original plan laid out four ordinary income tax brackets (0%, 10%, 20%, and 25%), the new plan entails just three -- along with a promise that plenty of lower-income, working-class Americans still wouldn't owe any income taxes. Trump's new progressive tax brackets call for ordinary income tax brackets of 12%, 25%, and 33%."

What about libertarian socialism, mutualism, collectivism, democratic socialism?

Also just because capitalist government use military superiority to crush resistance, it deosnt mean that these systems failed

Did I not already address that?

>My plan will reduce the current number of brackets from 7 to 3, and dramatically streamline the process. We will work with House Republicans on this plan, using the same brackets they have proposed: 12, 25 and 33 percent. For many American workers, their tax rate will be zero.

>donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/an-america-first-economic-plan-winning-the-global-competition

I shall repeat myself, if he does not formally and officially construct a picture of who
>For many American workers, their tax rate will be zero
These people are, I will be very, VERY disappointed. But, the article only refers to the three already established brackets which were already being levied a solid income tax. It's been raised, fair enough too, that was deficit levels of insanity but I see no evidence that the 0-50k idea is gone.

Stop claiming it is. I'll wait on him to see what he does, if he doesn't come through with his promise, then I'd be very pissed off, but so far, that's a better tax plan that what Hillary has, assuming the lower income exemption is still in place.

You really need to define your position on the proper role of government, thats THE most central piece of political philosophy. How big should it be? Should it encourage progress or encourage the status quo/traditional values? Should it seek to redistribute wealth? encourage equal opportunity for citizens? Provide support for the very poor or unfortunate? Etc etc

I often refer to socialism like HIV.

>Socialism is HIV
>Communism is AIDS
>HIV will at one point progress into AIDS

Do you understand where I'm coming from with this? Capitalism works as its a fair system. You earn what you work for. Socialism is working hard every day only for your money to go to a NEET.

I believe we should provide support for the unfortunate, but they shouldn't be given free handouts. And it should encourage equity not equality. I believe I fall more far right in this region.

define socalism

I'm with this guy. How is it that we can afford massive tax cuts (mostly for the rich) while we are hemorrhaging over half a trillion dollars a year in deficit? At least Hillary gets this and is raising taxes ONLY on the top brackets.

You fucking moron, every country needs nationalism in order to succeed. Your a fucking idiot if you still relate nationalism with Nazi Germany. If nationalism didn't exist, no country would exist.

You're quote doesn't have anywhere that he will create a 0% tax bracket. Find that, and I'll agree. I don't think you will.

>You earn what you work for.
>Trump literally inherited his wealth.
>Implying Capitalism isn't geared massively in favor of old wealth.

This is the real redpill.

And Trump wants to eliminate the estate tax...i wonder why...
But yes, if you are successful and make a shit ton of money, you should be able to pass alot of it to your kids, thats one of the rewards for being successful.

That the means of production and distribution should be dished out to the community ie basically a parallel of communism, it's stage 1 of entering the Stalingrad

If what you mean by socialism is state ownership of the means of production, then yes I would agree with you.
If what you mean by socialism is worker ownership of the means of production, give me an example of a society that vollapsed due worker ownership of the means of production.

Most people relate nationalism with nazis because it is an extreme case of nationalism and it went really badly for all involved

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But the better question is... should it be one of the rewards? What did you kids do that society owes them anything? Get born into the right family?

Then the systems mentioned here are using a different definition of socialism, that being worker control and ownership of the means of production.

He inherited 1 million. Which is pennies if you're trying to start up a stable business in New York. And he made billions from it. Socialism is the opposite.

Would you rather work hard and earn money that you grinded for or would you rather work hard and give your money away to someone that was too lazy to get a job? Either that or you're the latter and want to sponge. Sanders didn't have a stable job until he was 40. It's obvious that his socialist motives are because of his sympathy towards NEETS. Now that he's been bought by Clinton he just bought his 3rd home in Brooklyn and drives a fancy car. Some socialist keeping to his word.

His dad has bailed him out with money. over 7 mil I believe.

Venezuela?

A small loan of a million dollars in the sixties you might add

Society isnt giving them anything, their parents are. I think theres a balance there that is very important, there should be a very significant estate tax but I also think its unfair to the person who dies if they cannot give most of what they have earned to whoever they want to when they die. If not, not only is it unfair, but you are just encouraging rich people to retire once their own personal financial needs are met. And as much as you might not like hearing it, some of the very rich people in this world are some extremely smart and capable people, and having them involved in running businesses is extremely positive force for the economy at large.

Ok, calculated the inflation and its 8 Mill. Still a small amount compared to 7 billion.

Do the workers in Venezuela own and control the means of production?
No?
Okay then

10 million in the early 70s is the estimate Ive heard. More like $60 million in todays dollars

Shit, well good point. Give credit where it's due.

Capital accumulation =/= hard work

Thanks

But it's capital accumulation from a company he founded and built

best bait tm

With the money he inherited

And turned into billions.

>1 Million including inflation = 8 Million
>8 million turned into 4.5 billion
>he has profited heavily

See

Once again, earned it regardless of capital accumulation. Because he turned millions into billions.

Not that other user. I'd say he has done marginally well...i'm sure you've read some of those articles saying he would have done roughly as well had he just put his money into a US stock index. Appears to me hes done somewhat better than that. But he has done it being a shady, shiesty motherfucker. Fucking over the small guy, contractors and bondholders and investors while enriching himself. Duping the less intelligent with his Trump U and get-rich quick BS. The dude is a high net worth con man.

Yeah I guess it is very possible. Although I do believe he is the lesser of two evils between candidates, I know he isn't perfect. I'm hoping for either Trump or Johnson. Never Hillary.

He turned millions into billions through capital accumulation, and anyone can do that, it's selling shit that other people made, extracting the profits, exploiting the workers and using the money as capital to reinvest to repeat the cycle on a larger scale.

I'll take Johnson any day, not Trump tho. He's a total scumbag. And his core competence, conning people, just isnt going to work on foreign dignataries and heads of state and party leaders in congress etc. not a fan of Hillary, obvious reasons, but i think she would be WAY better for this country than Trump.

Bottom line, its a shit state of affairs that these fuckers are our choices tho. We should support a 3rd party guy to send a message, which i will do so long as I'm sure Trump is not going to win my state

Yeah I feel you. Trump wouldn't exactly be my first choice either, but 3rd party candidates rarely win, I don't even know if one ever has. I'm neither far left nor far right so I'm not siding with one just because I refuse to vote for a republican or democrat. I don't care really, as long as I agree with their policies. I just don't really trust Hillary. I know Trump may be a handful, it's just that her past scandals make it hard for me to put trust in her. Although I would be lying if I said I didn't agree with several of her policies. Either way I just hope whoever wins, we as the people don't get fucked over it.

I'm not alt-right though