Who else here was extremely underwhelmed by the white walker back story reveal? I mean...

Who else here was extremely underwhelmed by the white walker back story reveal? I mean, yeah it makes sense and it's not TERRIBLE but man, there are literally so many places they could have taken it. Why not have made them a completely different race with culture and beliefs completely alien to the people of westeros? Why not have them want to come back because something is out of balance? So many possibilities they passed up.

it's pretty fucking retarded

>man are cutting down the forests, we must fight them
>yes let us create a magical undead race incompatible with nearly all forms of life as they'll raze the lands into a freezing wasteland and turn the living into their creepy collective - that'll definitely help us!

They destroyed all the mystery this last eppisode. Also the minions just tuned into walking dead zombies. This show has jumped the shark after stannis death.

I would have much preferred that it be left unexplained. It just demystifies the story, and makes it less interesting. They went from the mysterious unstoppable personification of winter and death itself, to some bioweapon run amok. I'm not mad about it, but there wasn't really a feasible scenario where I wouldn't have come away underwhelmed.

See also: Prometheus, the Star Wars prequels, Mass Effect 3's ending, or just about any other prequel that I didn't mention.

The writing this season has been absolute shit. Don't know how any of you are surprised.

I was more underwhelmed how it was presented more than anything. Are all the giant mysteries of the story going to be exposed in two minute segments? It didn't even feel like we should think it's a big deal.

It's only underwhelming because they had no time to build up to that on TV, but I'm sure it'll be similar on the books anyway. And frankly it makes a lot of sense, it fits the reason why there's a weirwood tree so far up north, it hints at the idea that once upon a time the north wasn't a freezing hellhole. If I'm not mistaken (based on what I read on TWOIAF), the CoTF did use a lot of magic and summoned stuff to stop the advances of the First Men, and it makes sense they would use a creature like this to prevent them; the real deal isn't that they created them but HOW they went out of control, which I think it's the crucial thing here. Rh'llor could go against The Great Other, the one in the Shadows, which in turn could be the Many-Faced God, the Stranger, and the one that manipulated the outcome of the White Walkers to bid his will.
Still would be rather interesting to see who the Drowned God is and how it can give someone like Patchface visions, it's one of the few Gods who seem to have an actual presence.

I think stannis' death was the first instance where they jumped the shark. It was a fairly good indicator of where the show is heading.

Ok, so Xel'Naga created the Zerg, who turned against them?

It jumped it long before then

I think it's funny.

I was underwhelmed when they called the others "white walkers" and they don't talk, laugh and mock in their language, they don't have cities and a civilization in the far north.

White walkers are boring

Others > White Walkers for sure, but you can't hate on the master ruseman that is the Night King

Fuck you, it was GOAT.

its really simple the white walkers or others should have been the progeny of the dark god who opposes the lord of light in an eternal battle.
They can never be truely defeated as the dark god will always just ressurect them or create new servants to vie for global dominance.

why isnt he wearing an armor

>bioweapon

preston was right

It should have been revealed that the children of the forest aren't good and are using Bran to serve their own ends.

Zombies in general are gay as fuck. No exception here.

I just hope the series doesn't end with the cheesy setup where everybody gets together to beat up the monsters.

The whole series has been about politics so it feels kind of lame to just randomly shove zombies in, which is what they've always felt like.

if the nights king could enter the magic protected tree after touching bran, does that mean he can now get past the wall if bran goes south of it?

They blew up the land bridge that connected Dorne to Essos or the other continent. It could have been an awesome plotline.

>Bran discovers cotf used treevoodoo nukes to blow up continent, god of cold/darkness says fuck life and creates walkers to destroy them.
>Bran learns his allies are shitty,we get to keep mystery with ww, d n d get to inject antinuke message and classic got ambiguity
>Profit

I agree soo much. Why explain that shit.
I agree with you. I dont think Martin will do such thing.

I think it might be different in the books.

The timeline is possible but a bit off- the Others came to the fore during the Long Night well after the Children of the Forest and First Men had come to peace.

I always thought the CotF are a neutral party between a struggle between Light & Dark, Fire & Cold and that neither the Fire or the Cold are really good or bad, just extremes.

The world lives in an age of encroaching cold and darkness, so Light and Fire is perceived as better. But in another time, maybe even right now in the south, it's the opposite.

also the others look like complete shit

nights king looks like a blue darth maul

I don't know man. They're pure evil. I don't want to see them as an original race with a culture and beliefs and concern for their kind. They're fucking ice zombies. It makes more sense that they're the result of creepy misguided magic.
I am interested in the story of the Nights King. That will be fun if they ever get to that.

So how did having dragon glass shoved in their chest teach them how to use ice magic which the children didn't know?

they're not zombies though. they just turn the dead into ice zombies

i highly doubt we'll even get to know where the others came from in the books. judging by the interviews GRRM himself doesnt even know what the fuck they are

>The Others are not dead. They are strange, beautiful… think, oh… the Sidhe made of ice, something like that… a different sort of life… inhuman, elegant, dangerous.

>Had many talks with George. He told me of the ice swords, and the reflective, camouflaging armor that picks up the images of the things around it like a clear, still pond. He spoke a lot about what they were not, but what they were was harder to put into words.

I guess we have to assume there was more magic at play than what we could see. Perhaps concerning the stone formations, or an enchantment on the glass.

There already have a history of the night king, he was a human and leader of the night's s Watch.

I don't agree Mass Effect 3's problem was in demystificaion. Faulty AI is a trope that always works for me because software does all sort of dumb shit when given faulty parameters.

The problem was mostly in how they were stopped, stupidity of which was made inevitable by ME2's ending.

>Who else here was extremely underwhelmed by the white walker back story reveal?

I was.

The scene where they convert him was poorly done and the background for it was unexistant, it all felt like it had a complete lack of depth, like if the most important event in Westeros just happened because of the follies of some bored teenagers.

I think you were actually replying to me. I meant on the show.

There were other guys to teach him, who taught the original guy? Why does getting hit with dragon glass kill them if they are perfectly fine with a huge fucking chunk of it inside their body? Why ice? What the fuck does glass made from volcanoes and dragons have to do with fucking ice? Did anyone working on the show think any of this?

It kind of makes logical sense to me. Dragon glass in the heart, imo infused with some kind of magic, would fortify the heart with warmth against the cold. However, these are beings of the cold, and of the north, so even though an enchanted spell to their heart gave them this undead sort of life, the fire infused dragon glass would be the only thing that could pierce their skin.

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>wondering why a shitty show is shitty 5 years after it became complete unwatchable shit

You fucking 4channers are never satisfied.

>Also the minions just tuned into walking dead zombies
Worse than that. They're fucking videogame spider ghouls.

After the Kingsmoot this stupid shit doesn't even factor into it, I mean what the fuck was that shit?

>AFTER Stannis's death

It jumped way, way before that

You talk like a nigger i literally have no idea what you said.Fuck dude...

Wait, if the night's watch was created to ward westeros against night zombies, and this guy was the first one, why was he a leader of the night's watch when there was no zombies to guard westeros from, and so, no night's watch ?
Or have I missed something, here?

I think he means there's a precedent for humans becoming others

Why did not they just throw grenades at men?

fuck you

Isn't it the night's king who makes corpses turn to others?
I thought: big icy guys with blue eyes were magic and they made the zombies.

4 good men™

I think the show nights king has nothing to do with the watch, who knows D&D forget shit all the time

But is it how it works?

I'm not, because I always knew that the white walkers were a macguffin that were just there to drive the story forward.

As far as anyone knows yes

there are no gods in asoiaf...

If the Others can't cross water then Essos and the rest of the islands are safe no?

Like it matters they die by the slightest hit.

I hope it is not the same in the book. I was hoping they were another race with their own culture that is just not understandable to human kind. They are supposed to be riding ice spiders for fucks sake!

Now it just feels like the Night King is a robot with faulty programming

the Night's King in the books and the NIGHT King in the show are two completely different characters, just share a similar name

They don't even talk in the show

Sooo, what about the dragons and all that magic shit? Who is the Lord of Light? What the fuck is up with the comet?

The children of the forest look like a salad bar gremlin had sex with that kid from gotham.

Reminder that the obsidian knife was, in fact, a computer chip

fuck off gotfags

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this is a joke, right?

Comet was to throw us off to think dany is prince who was promised

But then we get the le epic Jon reveal

it made me realize that the actors and the screenplay writers made GoT better than it should've been, not the books

>what is crossing bridges
>what is using their intelligence to find ways across

yes they do, if you listen in their scenes you can hear the sound of ice crackling which is described as their language of Skroth

They should really have had a more otherworldly origin.

When Bran went back in time, he should've seen a massive gate like a black hole in a snowstorm leading to another realm -- one of cold, unending darkness. Who created the gate and why could be left a mystery.

That should've been their origin, something that just raises more questions.

It would fuel speculation from both fans of the show and the books.

but that's fucking stupid, more stupid than the current origin story

Thats always been their name

I think it'd be much better.

Seeing them walk out a gate and having their very presence turn the field of green around them into snow and ice would've been way better than just stabbing a human to give him ice powers.

I didn't mind it but it felt kind of rushed. Like, oh here is a tidbit of white walker history because forest fairies and white walkers are about to be briefly relevant.

Is there anywhere I could find a TL;DW for someone who hasn't really watched since season 2?

Pavel ass?

The braziers alone are useless it was calorieesie plot armor

You can only throw so many before gettingkilled by arrows or outnumbered

>They destroyed all the mystery this last episode.
We still don't know what this strangers want and why they rebelled against their master.
The show should have made things slower in this season, everything happened too fast.

I really hope thats not the origin of them in the books.
While the books aren't very clear on what the Others are, the certainly come off as more of a elven race than zombies.

They can just wait for the for finale you will see

>knock a brazier over
>this immediately ignites and inferno
Is nobody gonna talk about how Dany is basically Pyro?

Nah you dragon glass and leaf triedkill one of them whiout avail because of tge armor

>god of cold/darkness says fuck life and creates walkers to destroy them.
> It could have been an awesome plotline.
pick one

Sure user
>Joff is kill by CIA
>everyone blame reddit dwarf for kill
>reddit dwarf kill mean dad and go help kaleysee
>kellyc sits in tents and amasses and insanely large army and conquers everyone by moving her eyebrows around a lot
>jon does some stuff with snow people dies and then is not dies
>jaime lost his hand and went on wakey adventures with brann and met badpussy
>cersi gave the entire city to the pope and now for some reason does nothing about it
>walking dead are still slowly making their way to the wall

>The whole series has been about politics so it feels kind of lame to just randomly shove zombies in, which is what they've always felt like.
Actually it's a mix between fantasy and politics

I've gots some questions too. I've only read the books and seen the first two seasons, but in the show have they covered anything else on Valyria and why its dangerous and shiet to go there. What about Theon's older brother who said he went there and came back with the horn. Is he in the show?

Have they talked at all about what the fuck "the shadow" is. Like even described it?

there's more land actually in the far east

Bradamante go suck a cock, open a /got/general and samefag there, you fucking 9gaging piece of shit

kek, thank you

Why is kellyc amassing an army?
Why is the dwarf helping her?
What was the point of the direwolves?

There are spooky scary Stonemen in Valyria who give you stoneaids if they touch you.

>edited euroasia slightly
>enlarged britain and replaced NA with it
>enlarged africa and cut off the bottom half
>removed SA and Australia
>drew out china southeast

What a hack.

>Why is kellyc amassing an army?
because all men must die be she is not men
>Why is the dwarf helping her?
because le non cock man said too
>What was the point of the direwolves?
to have shocking death reveals

>Is nobody gonna talk about how Dany is basically Pyro?
the lhazarren khaleesi, ornella or what's her name soaked the whole temple in oil and they closed the door from the outside, it was a plot of the widows. do you fuckers even watch the show, or are you too retarded to understand the plot unless it is explained in wiki.

It sounds like literally nothing happened since I last watched other than characters being killed off. So I guess it's just setting up for eyebrow lady to burn the Others with her dragons and become queen.

>So I guess it's just setting up for eyebrow lady to burn the Others with her dragons and become queen.

fire cannot hurt them, only dragonglass, else who the fuck would be afraid of them if they can just throw oil at them and burn them.

>Have they talked at all about what the fuck "the shadow" is. Like even described it?

Asshai, Jorah's going there to find the cure for his stoneaids.

In the book they were called "The Others"

They were renamed to "White Walkers" for the TV adaptation because referring to the others in audible conversation gets confusing, as opposed to on paper which clears it up because capitalising The Others makes it much more easy to follow.

yeah, the "Great Other" is Leaf and her cabbage patch possy - she is also R'hllor, when she saw the shit she did with the Night's king she started warging into people giving them visions of destruction and how they have to prepare to fight, idiots thought it's some kind of God and made a religion out of it.

Great work GRRM, you really outplayed us all, we all though feminista, but with Tyrion we should have known that you are a midget lover.

>I had a vision that you guys created the White Walkers.
>You humans were cutting down our trees.
>Oh, okay.

>Why ice? What the fuck does glass made from volcanoes and dragons have to do with fucking ice?
>The series is literally called "A Song of Ice and Fire"

People still watch this shit?
LMAO

So they just have fucking grenades and shit?

leaf being r'hllor, this is probably it. they use dragonglass to communicate with people, glasscandles shit.