Leftists: "HURR DURR! Fuck the economy!"

Leftists: "HURR DURR! Fuck the economy!"
anyone left of centre should seriously consider suicide.

Prove me wrong
>protip: you can't

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What's got you so angry today?

>slavery is the best economic system
>clearly i need to push my ideas onto everyone who disagrees
>capitalism

I'm all for an anti-commie thread!

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either b8 or you really think that one's health should be decided by how much they earn
the propaganda is strong in us schools i guess

Cool, I'm hungry right now, so you should pay for my next meal. That's how socialism works, right? You want something, someone else pays for it.

>leftist

This some deep political analysis bro.

was b8 after all

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Yes. That is exactly it. Congratulations!

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Glad we agree that socialism is immoral! Kudos on rejecting that leftist BS

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>better let them die
>guns should be used for defense
hahaha

Nobody owes you anything, if you can't pay your way, you're a blight on society and the sooner you die the better

>I want other people's wealth so I can be lazy and useless!
>I'm owed a comfortable life without earning it!
Leftists...

So it is okay for billions to be spent on the wallstreet bailout, all being tax payers' money, but when we try to get them to pay more, that is just insane and uncalled for? Idiots.

If getting someone to pay for something and benefitting from it is immorality, explain the trillion plus debt that the US has...

Lemme guess, you're getting those sweet NEET bux?

Many libertarians like myself are AGAINST the BS wall street bailout. Educate yourself, leftist.

Quite right, we need to reduce spending to pay off the debt. I say cut all those welfare programs that encourage laziness and sloth.

You guys know that the US of A is pretty much socialist state now?

Your stupid "economy"-yelling won't change reality. A leftist government has never harmed economy; it's the other way around. Look at fucking Europe. All those states that you would consider to be left of centre have really, really good education and are creating futures for their people.
You have not understand the concept of a society. "Everyone for themselves!" is not a healthy and sustainable idea. It's what fucks us up, what hinders our progress, it's what's keeping you on your knees while others bathe in money which they earned by exploiting the people and the government.
How can you not see that.

>Hitler
>Socialist
Americans are so amusing. Hitler's bad. 'Liberals' are bad. Ergo, Hitler is a
'liberal'.

>implying the means of production are publicly owned
You have no idea what socialism is, do ya?

>Having no understanding of what socialism and national socialism are

give it up they'll listen what they always have

>A leftist government has never harmed economy
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National socialism, it's in the NAME retard

>he says as he takes full advantage of all the programs and infrastructure society has collectively paid for.

You selective, revisionist cunts are the worst. Shut the fuck up.

What do you mean 'other people'? Are you under the impression social-democracy exempts you from income tax if you're politically left of centre? You think a quote by a crazy old Ferengi-esque jew who though parents should be allowed to sell their children is somehow authoritative? What a strange world you autism-riddled faggots live in.

So... I use roads, I thereby owe a living to all the poor people too lazy to work? Good logic bro!

But South Korea is 'leftist' by your standards. And China is 'communist' too when it's convenient to your narrative. How about arguing for your fascist economic scheme WITHOUT cherry picking examples?
>Protip: you can't

>it's in the name
People like you need to be shot. By this understanding, all men are women, because "it's in the name". Die in a fucking fire, you fucking mong.

Read this, you might actually realize the error of your leftist ways.

Left Korea is only partially leftist, and China is communist in name only.

>People like you need to be shot.
Oh look, a leftist advocating mass murder. How unusual.

>being so intellectually subhuman you reduce infrastructure to "roads".

Get fucked, cunt.

Yeah, and this has nothing to do with NK being denied access to the global market because it has been ruled by crazy ass dictators for the past 100 years. Oh, yeah: a dictatorship doesn't qualify as "communism", which you would know if you had any understanding of what communism means, and what actually happens in NK and other countries you idiots label as "communist".
Still, at least they don't owe 16 trillion dollars to fucking China.

>too lazy
You say this with nothing to back it. In reality the poor overwhelmingly work longer hours at less pleasant jobs than the upper middle class, ESPECIALLY in the US with a threadbare welfare state that makes not working impossible unless you're disabled. And yes, you DO 'owe them a living'. This was determined long before you were born, not as a gesture of compassion, but as a preferable compromise to the alternative of allowing a vast underclass to become an angry mob set off by the next demagogue to come along. What the fuck are you going to do about? Go to prison for tax avoidance? You'd have to get a job first, son.

Cry more, leftist scum.

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>a dictatorship doesn't qualify as "communism"
i.e. Not -my- special snowflake version of communism! -My- communism would be perfect!

Well, except for the statistics that show socialism in certain contexts saves on large amounts of unnecessary costs and operate with better efficiency and benefit everyone. Wholesale trickle down is empirical nonsense, and we've known this forever. Market fundamentalism is a facile ideology that's just as pernicious and stupid as communism.

No, my family has paid enough in taxes to keep a tribe of niggers feed and their prison stays prepaid.

You can live you're miserable existence if you like, but just know that if not for the wealthy and successful subsidising your lazy ass, you'd starve to death.

Haha, nice try faggot. South Korea has universal healthcare and every other 'socialist' scheme that you bitch and moan about. If ObamaCare is 'socialism' then South Korean healthcare is socialism on steroids. And when China's shit environmental and labour conditions are what we're talking about, you morons ALWAYS call China communist.

Right wing anti-worker rhetoric can't survive without an impressive level of cognitive dissonance and cherry-picked sources. This is why you people tend to not do well in 'debate' outside of your echo chambers.

>In reality the poor overwhelmingly work longer hours at less pleasant jobs than the upper middle class,
My dad is upper management of a company, he works insane hours. Fuck off with this noble janitor BS. The poor are lazy. Deal with it.

>And yes, you DO 'owe them a living
Cool, I hereby declare you owe me all your possessions.

i always wondered if you actually believed that plea

They'd be far better off without that stupid healthcare. The market is always more efficient that government.

He's wrong. There's nothing morally inappropriate with generating a cooperative surplus at the point of a gun. We all get fucked somehow living among large groups of other people, but we all benefit substantially as well. Everyone is better off if tens of millions of poors can still get education and healthcare. For instance, rich people in this society don't have to hire private security to protect their safety or build their own roads and power stations. Socialism in certain contexts benefits Randians and Libertarians as well, so they get something out of it too, even if they don't admit it.

>my family
>wealthy and successful subsidising your lazy ass
Like your parents do with yours? I kek at how typical you are. There's a reason you don't see many libertarian faggots from poor backgrounds. Inheriting money and having everything paid for is not 'hard work'.

It's not about owing people something. It's about sustaining a functioning civilization and economy through generating cooperative surplus.

You'd save thousands of times more cutting the military and infrastructure spending, so why not do that first?

>There's nothing morally inappropriate with generating a cooperative surplus at the point of a gun.
>at the point of a gun
Reread what you wrote there. You're honestly saying armed theft with the threat of violence is a good thing?

> Everyone is better off if tens of millions of poors can still get education and healthcare
Not everyone can be a doctor or billionaire. So universal healthcare and education is inevitably wasted on giving degrees and healthcare to the dumb and useless.

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Fuck off, you're not entitled to anyone else's wealth, end of story. Get a job.

>So... I use roads, I thereby owe a living to all the poor people too lazy to work? Good logic bro!

No, but it shows you don't work for everything you have either. You benefit from what other people give you, and you don't complain how unfair that is. You reserve complaints for the poors.

>Cool, I hereby declare you owe me all your possessions
Are you that fucking thick, or are you just incapable of arguing your point with resorting to such an hilariously distorted strawman? Social-democracy does not mean that you are selected at random to surrender all your wealth to another randomly selected 'taker'. Everyone pays the same rate of income tax as everyone else in their bracket. Everyone is entitled to the same assistance programmes as everyone else in their bracket. If you envy the lower tax rate and great level of assistance that the working poor receive, then tell your boss to pay you less so you qualify. Otherwise, try to imagine how different your life would be if your parents hadn't handed you everything, and be grateful that in that world you wouldn't be left to starve.

I used to think the military could use a trim, but seeing China and Russia and Islam today, I think that'd be disastrous.

>No, but it shows you don't work for everything you have either.
>You benefit from what other people give you, and you don't complain how unfair that is.
I pay for my meals, I pay my rent, etc. etc. etc. No one gives me anything, I pay for everything.

>Reread what you wrote there. You're honestly saying armed theft with the threat of violence is a good thing?

No, I'm saying it's not necessarily wrong if it actually benefits everyone. Some people will pay more than others; benefits and harms can be distributed in various ways. Galt's Gulch isn't necessarily immoral, even if the poor and disabled get fucked and die in the streets, but neither is enforcing a moderately socialist system where everyone benefits.

>Everyone pays the same rate of income tax as everyone else
Then why do the rich pay so much more than the poor?

>Everyone is entitled to the same assistance programmes as everyone else
Then why can't I get welfare despite having a good job? Give me my free shit!

> If you envy the lower tax rate and great level of assistance that the working poor receive, then tell your boss to pay you less so you qualify.
How is it fair to punish the rich with more taxes and reward the lazy poor with more free shit?

>try to imagine how different your life would be if your parents hadn't handed you everything, and be grateful that in that world you wouldn't be left to starve.
I had good parents, why should I be punished with taxes for that? Why do you leftists feel the need to punish success?

Russia and China have killed a lot fewer americans than lack of access to healthcare. So why insist we pay for one but not the other?

>No, I'm saying it's not necessarily wrong if it actually benefits everyone
Cool, then Hitler was right about the jews, right? If killing a selected population benefits the group, it's a good thing! Congrats, you support Hitler.

You didn't pay for the roads your food is trucked in on, or the police you call when niggers steal your shit because they can't eat.

Technically we are not entitled to anything. Our entire way of life is a social contract.

>Russia and China have killed a lot fewer americans than lack of access to healthcare
Even if true, so what? You can't afford a product or service, you don't get it. I want a chocolate bar, I don't get to steal one.

>What are taxes?

>Our entire way of life is a social contract.
I don't recall signing any such thing. Can you produce this document and proof that I knowingly signed it? No? Then it's not a real contract.

Hitler certainly didn't benefit the group, and the cost to the jews was disproportionate. Minimax relative concession, douchebag.

I'd do so - don't see the problem. the wellbeing of more is worth more than the wellbeing of fewer.

Right, taxes. Appropriately imposed on everyone because it's much less costly and much more efficient than having everyone hire private security. And the amount you've paid in taxes to build roads and pay police is miniscule compared to the benefit you reap. In other words, you get vastly more than you personally pay for, and you're bitch about others who do the same in what's merely a different context.

Why should you get military or police protection mostly paid for by others? On what basis did you earn it, since you're paying so little for so much benefit?

Sorry, was for you.

Stay mad leftie cuck. You have no idea what you're talking about.

My point is that any atrocity can be justified with the magic words: "greater good"

The market can handle all that far better than inefficient government, and with better quality.

The fuck are you talking about? 40% of my income goes to pay for that!

Sure, but I'm not saying "the greater good" justifies anything and everything. Generating cooperative surplus ex hypothesi benefits everyone. In other words, greater good arguments only work when the people getting taxed get something substantial back. That's why it was wrong for Hitler to kill the Jews and confiscate their shit, but not necessarily wrong to impose taxes to pay for things like military, police, education, and healthcare.

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But that's empirically false in many contexts. Policing and Healthcare are good examples.

Id pay for your food if you were hungry.

Even if you are a massive faggot.

Yes, and that finances what? 0.2% of the cost of a policeman?

The nazis would say exterminating the jews created immense benefit to the society. How are you different?

Policing, maybe, I'll grant you that. But regarding healthcare, have you heard the horror stories from canada?? I had a friend who spent 2 DAYS in the ER before seeing a doc!

Hah! Like you'd actually personally help anyone. It's easy to be generous with other peoples' money.

Because there's a difference between saying and believing something is true, and what is actually empirically verifiable. Sometimes fucking people in the ass in a serious way (say, for example, punishing criminals) can be justified if it has a beneficial outcome. Criminals invite the response by subjecting other people to harm without justification. But the Jews in Nazi Germany didn't do that; if they or certain among them did, they should have been charged with crimes and sent to prison, not ethnically cleansed on the basis of a facile nonsensical racial ideology.

I saw a doc in Canada yesterday in 2 hours without making an appointment.

If you actually do a detailed comparison of this kind of shit in Canada and the USA, Canada doesn't come out like the shining beacon of free healthcare they hold themselves out to be, but it still outperforms healthcare in the USA. This based on stats re: costs and outcomes.

you're the one who wouldn't, don't think everyone is the same as you

I would benefit empirically from taking all your stuff, doesn't make it right. We could also eliminate an arbitrary 5% of the population and take their stuff, it's be an empirically demonstrable net gain.

And if you had a privately funded system, you'd have seen a better doctor in minutes.

Oh I've seen the "studies". They were done by socialists and those with leftist inclinations.

Communists

I've never met anyone who would do good without it benefiting themselves somehow, be it reciprocity or simple virtue signalling.

Yeah I bet you put in a lot of effort reading the methodologies.