>Thankfully, Radiohead abandoned the beats for A Moon Shaped Pool (XL, 2016), their least machine-based album yet, a veritable return to humanity. If the driving minimalist repetition of Burn the Witch sounds like an amateurish impersonation of Michael Nyman augmented with melancholy new-age piano, a couple of the songs display real genius like it rarely happened on their pretentious albums: the creative collage of The Numbers blends distorted Indian-esque music with snippets of orchestral music, massive organ drones and ghostly lysergic chanting; the elaborate ethereal pastiche Daydreaming blends more minimalist repetition with drones and sound effects that are almost musique concrete; Present Tense grafts flamenco-ish guitar and falsetto scat into a Caribbean beat; and Ful Stop sets an electronic threnody to Neu-esque motorik rhythm. Half of the album is wasted in minor detours, such as the somber and spare litany Desert Island Disk and the languid r&b over syncopated digital beat Identikit, but this could be their best album since Amnesiac.
At least christgau is funny and self-aware scaruffi just pisses me off even when I agree with him
Justin Davis
>but this could be their best album since Amnesiac. Is this why Sup Forums has a hard-on for Amnesiac? because Scruffy said so?
Brandon Brooks
this no it's because it's a good album
Nathaniel Torres
why do people pay attention to this dude? his taste in music is shit
Samuel Adams
Pleb
Parker Rivera
Blackstar
"This is trivial "music" that any amateur could make, except that most amateurs would be ashamed to release it. Bowie died of cancer in january 2016."
Jackson Rodriguez
Drone
Brayden Edwards
>no it's because it's a good album How did you convince yourself of this?
Zachary Campbell
Projecting. I don't base my taste off of Scaruffi I just accept that my taste is bad when it deviates from his.
James Garcia
suck his dick some more you sheep
Carter King
I couldn't stop giggling when I first read this
Grayson Watson
A literal autist who lost his touch with modern music
Luis Cook
because I think it sounds good
Julian Kelly
Why?
Lucas Hall
as usual scaruffi is spot-on
notice how the detractors can never challenge any of the points he makes
Robert Taylor
the music is pleasant to my ears
Jose Sullivan
>points
I think the word you're looking for is "opinions"
William Sanders
How so?
Sebastian Adams
when I listen to the album I get a sense of satisfaction
Jayden Cooper
What instrument does he play again?
Justin Nguyen
You can make points to defend or argue against an opinion baka.
Logan Gomez
Surprisingly generous
I actually agree it's their best since Amnesiac
Michael Taylor
Because you know Scruffy approved
Blake Turner
Not an argument.
Owen Peterson
semantics, you used points because it has a connotation of objectivity and authority to dickride your favorite autist's (((opinion)))
Wyatt Gray
I concur. Post- Amnesiac goes like this for me: AMSP King of Limbs In Rainbows I Might be Wrong 2+2=5 HTTT
Liam Taylor
>"This is trivial "music" that any amateur could make, except that most amateurs would be ashamed to release it.
well, this is just completely incorrect.
not hard to refute what he is saying because it's an opinion and objectivity doesn't exist
Kayden Jackson
>2+2=5 You mean Com Lag EP? I would definitely not rank it above HttT
Logan Richardson
Not even the user who originally said that but it's cute how you're changing the argument to something unrelated since you can't contest the scruff
Justin Collins
You can use music theory to defend or argue against an opinion baka.
Ethan Hill
is that your point? you think I'm a Scaruffi drone? Scaruffi is a meme and I genuinely think Amnesiac is a great album
Wyatt Ward
Well you can't seem to explain why, so clearly yes, you are a drone.
Jeremiah Peterson
>you like this album Scaruffi likes so you're clearly a drone you're retarded
Bentley Lee
no dumbo I'm emphasizing how he tries to mask an opinion as fact. there is nothing to refute, it's just the conclusion of some old italian autist. if you want to follow his opinions instead of forming your own go right ahead
Brayden Cook
I don't really like either, to be honest. I think Com Lag has some great tracks but nothing really stands out, whereas HTTT has exactly one great track, a few very good tracks and a lot of average to poor tracks.
Justin Taylor
>Well you can't seem to explain why If I had reading comprehension like you, I'd just mimic some quirky Italian's taste as well
James Martinez
>you can't sound "human" if you use synths and drum machines
Who do we blame for this meme? Kraftwerk? The Human League?
Colton Cruz
what do you want me to say? you want me to write a full review of amnesiac just to please your autistic ass and prove I'm not a Scaruffi drone? you seem so far up your ass
Jace Walker
Everyone ITT needs to die
Bentley Peterson
If you can't prove it, it's not true.
Sorry Scruffy drone
Kevin Hall
lmao ok kid
Elijah Cruz
The closer music moves to perfection, the farther it moves away from humanity.
Chase Lee
>subjective things should never be the topic of discussion and I should never be challenged on my opinions Thats you rn
Henry Cox
Why is Sup Forums so obsessed with music critics and pretend their opinions matter?
Jason Miller
then why are some autechre songs some of the most emotionally charged music I've ever heard
Jaxson Mitchell
yes that's me it's a waste of brainpower people will just believe what they want to believe anyway
Easton Lee
your anus
Asher Nguyen
Because you are a broken and emotionless person
Christian Taylor
>not hard to refute what he is saying because it's an opinion and objectivity doesn't exist
Jeremiah Brooks
wow a fedora meme you sure showed him what a retard for claiming it's a fool'd errand to try and find objectivity in something inherently subjective
Wyatt Diaz
>le art is subjective meme kill yourself
Gabriel Gray
>claims to rate and review music from a historical perspective >writes reviews within a year of an album's release
Carter Nguyen
How isn't it?
Tyler Roberts
how is it?
Henry Ward
>says scaruffi's points can't be refuted >scaruffi's point is refuted
and now you can't refute my refuting of scaruffi's point, so you resort to fedora memes
lol
Charles Brown
You made the initial claim, the burden of proof is on you to prove it's objective
Parker Roberts
Hello my name is Mr. Iffuracs and I come from a place far away.
Boy, The Radioheads sure stink, huh?
Christian Bailey
literal retards
Jaxon Ward
If you're not trolling you are retarded to the point of sub-humanity
Christian Adams
>discussing music?!
Bentley Hernandez
i didn't make the initial claim, see this: >objectivity doesn't exist
Jace Butler
read a book nigger
Dominic Morgan
>i didn't make the initial claim Been nice talking to you
Thomas Miller
Are you are literal retard with no concept of context?
Objectivity does not exist in art because there are no objective truths or parameters that define universal norms of quality
He didn't mean that objectivity doesn't exist period
William Carter
there's no point trying to argue with someone stupid enough to believe that you can objectively discuss the quality of music
Nicholas Rivera
this
Henry Reed
Kek you were honest. Thanks for the laugh mate
Hudson Price
> David Bowie Blackstar (RCA) songwriter 4/10 > Julia Holter Have You in My Wilderness (Domino) songwriter 6/10 > Future Islands Singles (4AD) synth-pop 4/10 > Ariel Pink Pom Pom (4AD) songwriter 5/10
Jacob Rogers
here
have still yet to see anyone address the points that scaruffi made in this review. or any review
that's why i love him. he enrages plebs to the point that they can't think straight
Eli Howard
Because our perceptions of music are based on emotions and belief systems, which are subjective.
Luke Thomas
How can a man be so alpha
Nathan Carter
everyone has a different taste no taste is the same as another of two tastes one is better than the other a taste that is better than every other taste exists
music is subjective, but one of those subjective tastes is the best, thus making music objective even if it's hard if not impossible to know which one is it, you know it exists
Nathaniel Bell
does italian cock taste the same as negro dick? with the shared genes and all
Gabriel Thomas
explain how art ISN'T subjective
Anthony Clark
philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl Only about one-third of academic philosophers (the people who dedicate their lives to studying these ideas) believe that aesthetic value is subjective, so maybe you should quit pretending you know shit about anything
Juan Garcia
gold medal winner in the paralympics of mental gymnastics
William Scott
>Objectivity does not exist in art because there are no objective truths or parameters that define universal norms of quality how do you know they don't exist?
bye
nice arguments
Cameron Perez
>argumentum ad auctoritatem
Stop man, you're embarrassing yourself
Hudson Ortiz
>have still yet to see anyone address the points that scaruffi made in this review Well let's see: >their least machine-based album yet This is incorrect because there are a number of loop-based songs on this album, as compared to others (Pablo honey) which have no loop based material. Thus Scruffy is wrong here >The Numbers blends distorted Indian-esque music There are no ragas contained in the song, so Scruffy is wrong here >Daydreaming blends more minimalist repetition with drones and sound effects that are almost musique concrete Vocal manipulations on this song can't really compare to musique conrete, as they are not juxtaposed found recordings.
This is excluding his *subjective* opinions with no merit behind it, such as >amateurish impersonation of Michael Nyman >Half of the album is wasted in minor detours Again, this is coming from someone who claimed Radiohead claimed to be avant-garde, which was a direct lie.
Wyatt Kelly
>one third disagrees
exactly, it's subjective
if it wasn't subjective, it wouldn't be POSSIBLE for them to disagree
stop thinking you're smart because you googled some academic shit
Dylan Roberts
read this nice argument
nice try, but it's impossible to argue with them these retards don't even know basic philosophy, they are still stuck in their nihilism/relativism phase
Oliver Allen
Because they aren't provable. This isn't math you brainlet.
Joseph Harris
[citation needed]
Juan Bell
>of two tastes one is better than the other How do you know if one is better than the other?
Nicholas Baker
good point
Leo Ross
>if it wasn't subjective, it wouldn't be POSSIBLE for them to disagree ahahahahahahahah how can you be so retarded
Isaiah Cook
>a taste that is better than every other taste exists
okay, how do you its better?
Kevin Cox
You are a pretentious retard who tries to apply basic logic you learend in you philosophy 101 class to music while forgetting the most elementary truth of philosophy: it's in essence subjective
Hudson Evans
What did Scaruffi mean by this?
Isaac Foster
>misapplying le rhetorical fallacies nice reddit techniques dude
If two-thirds of the authorities who are actually qualified to speak about this issue disagree with your premise, then it's safe to say that you're on pretty fucking shaky ground when you assert, flat-out, that art is subjective
People that have different amounts of knowledge on subjects will come to different conclusions. Before I took a modern physics course I thought that classical mechanics were adequate to explain the entire universe, does that mean that the laws of nature are subjective?
Cooper Butler
>they aren't provable. how do you know this? >calling me brainlet
it's not relevant, i just wanted to prove a "best taste" exists, even if we can't know it
Landon Ortiz
>i just wanted to prove a "best taste" exists It didn't work because "better" is a subjective value in itself
Try again?
Chase Kelly
Not him but you are really really dumb my friend. Objective truths aren't debatable. You are trying to elevate philosophy to the level of math and science
Benjamin Edwards
explain how I'm wrong, smarty-pants
art isn't math or science
you can definitely prove that 2+2=1, so if someone says 2+2=1,000, they are objectively wrong because it is fact that can be proven.
same with science shit like, idk, the earth isn't flat. someone can SAY its flat but they wil be objectively wrong because the earth's roundness is objectively proven.
but what is objectively proven about art? how can you prove someone wrong about their opinion in music? seriously, give me an example.
>People that have different amounts of knowledge on subjects will come to different conclusions
yeah again that's called subjectivity.
again see above, if something is objective it should be possible to prove it to people with any amount of knowledge.
knowing more about art =/= having better opinions about art
Adam Cooper
>you can definitely prove that 2+2=1
kek meant 4 obviously
Jackson Baker
i don't know which one is it, but i know it exists have you even read the last line?
everything is in essence subjective, should we stop reasoning about everything because it is subjective?
Liam Stewart
>Before I took a modern physics course I thought that classical mechanics were adequate to explain the entire universe, does that mean that the laws of nature are subjective? Knowledgeable physicists don't even agree with eachother. Reminder that Quantum Theory and the Theory of Relativity contradict each other
William Cruz
>authorities who are actually qualified to speak wow nice spook man.
>adequate to explain the entire universe
How could you think that when we can't even grasp the complexity of the human mind. No they are objective, just not fully fleshed out. The foundation (the principle) is there. If you really studied science you wouldn't be making such retarded assumptions