Taylor swift rekt

>Taylor swift rekt

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There is nothing wrong with not supporting streaming sites.

This. She has every right in the world to want to sell her music as a tangible good. Everything else seems legit though, the media really does doll her up as this wittle cutie that couldn't hurt a fly when in reality she's a self absorbed brat

SNEK

>Tumblr hates Tay-Tay
Makes me like her even more tbqhwyf

IT HAS BEGUN

I bet she tried really hard to not throw "white" somewhere in there.

>Can we talk about
>hey, want to join our commercial music platform
>no, I think I'm gonna lose money on it
>greedy bitch

IT HAS BEGIN

>305ghetto

dropped

>wait aren't you already rich?
>well yes but I don't want to lose more money
Taytayfags in full suicide watch

>I have money so I'm ok with losing it

That's how you spot someone who will be poor for life

>as if he didn't giver her every everything she has
Communist logic. It's her own effort that gave her what she has, not an infinitely compiling third party she's ever been associated with.

>wanting to lose money at all
Looks like somebody's not very good with money.

She makes her money in touring and licensing though, not actual album sales.

Nice try though.

what's 'social justice'?

>It's her own effort that gave her what she has
Thanks for making me smile. I needed it.

So it's all about money and not letting her art be heard by her fans?

>pretending blaqs didn't always hate taytay

if it was about the latter it'd make more sense to just release it for free

The cold hard facts about Taylor Swift:

>Taylor Alison Swift's father, Scott Kingsley Swift, was a financial advisor, and her mother, Andrea Gardner (née Finlay) Swift, was a homemaker who worked previously as a mutual fund marketing executive
Mommy and Daddy's money, father was a third generation stockbroker

> In 2003, Swift and her parents started working with New York-based music manager Dan Dymtrow. With his help, Swift modelled for Abercrombie & Fitch as part of their "Rising Stars" campaign
Groomed to be a model since she was a child.

>Swift worked with experienced Music Row songwriters such as Troy Verges, Brett Beavers, Brett James, Mac McAnally, and The Warren Brothers.[25][26] They began meeting for two-hour writing sessions every Tuesday afternoon after school.[28]
Tutored by proffessional songwriters

>Swift caught the attention of Scott Borchetta, a DreamWorks Records executive who was preparing to form his own independent record label, Big Machine Records. She became one of the first signings, and her father purchased a three percent stake in the fledgling company at an estimated cost of $120,000.
Mommy and Daddy literally bought the label so it would sign her.

>Scott Borchetta spent two years working as an independent promoter before working in promotion and artist development at several other record labels, including MCA Nashville Records, DreamWorks Nashville and Universal Music Nashville.[6]
>A different form of payola has been used by the record industry through the loophole of being able to pay a third party or independent record promoters ("indies"; not to be confused with independent record labels), who will then go and "promote" those songs to radio stations. Offering the radio stations "promotion payments," the independents get the songs that their clients, record companies, want on the playlists of radio stations around the country.
His job was literally to bribe radio, television and other media to play his label's music.

LMAO YAAAAAS THIS IS EVERYTHAN

[spoiler]I hate black twitter memes so much[/spoiler]

>you don't want to lose money THEREFORE you hate your fans
try again bucko

>THEREFORE
Strawman

Couldn't it be possible she's a greedy little bitch?

I MADE THAT BITCH FAMOUS

This. Taylor Swift is the fakest bitch out there. Just ask Ed Droste.

>bitch
did you ask her if it was okay to call her that

Could be. But you have no evidence to support it do for so

Can you please provide sources for this?

Not saying I doubt that this kind of corruption runs rampant throughout the music industry, I'm not that naive. It's just genuinely interesting to read about.

FWIW it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of her music either

>DUDE EVERYTHING TUMBLR DOES SUCKS LMAO

No because she doesn't deserve my desire for permission

I bet shes enjoying her new implants

This is literally true, why don't you provide some counterexamples?

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>But you have no evidence to support it do for so
See and >Can you please provide sources for this?
Does common knowledge require a source?
>FWIW it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of her music either
Just so you admit you believe in the lie.

>literally

are you you yourself from tumblr?

also tumblr has everything, blogs that cover every possible topic, blogs that cover the whole political spectrum. the perceived SJW culture that is Sup Forums's boogeyman is only a very vocal portion of the site's user base. you can easily use tumblr and complete avoid those types of blogs

What does Grizzlyman have against Tay-Tay, lol

>talks passionately about issues pertaining to her but never about actual social justice issues

so what? she can sing about whatever she wants. not even a taylor swift fan, but I believe any artist, whatever the genre, shouldn't absolutely have to adress social issues in their music. also, Beyonce dropped an album about her celebrity gossip tier drama with Jay Z and it was praised everywhere. I wonder why.

Are you trying to say that Taylor never made songs about celebrity gossip tier drama or that she's never been a media darling because I can't figure out which one is stupider.

I'm saying she did and people complain about it, but when Beyonce does it, it's genius.

People were overall positive about taylor until quite recently.

She's a little too fucking greedy to be honest. For someone as rich and famous she should be okay with streaming sites and shit like that, she's not losing money, she just isn't making a few more cents.

>it's a moral imperative to earn money for big companies even if you're losing on it
why don't you just say they should release it for free why this half measure

DAMN TAYLOR SWIFT LOOKS LIKE *THAT*

How can you not? Fucking spokesperson for Target. If everyone in the suburbs died she's have no audience.

>earn money for big companies
Like Big Machine Records?

If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it. But she won't because it's not enough $ for her (which also implies she thinks her music is more valuable than everyone else's)

Neither of these posts indicate that she's greedy. Just that the people running her business are make practical choices on how to sell her music.

>Does common knowledge require a source?
Seeing that it's not even close to common knowledge, I'd say sources would be helpful to your arguments.

So every band that doesn't release their music for free don't care about their fans got you.

>if it only benefits me and not the fans, it's practical
OK
>Seeing that it's not even close to common knowledge
Did you google the text to see where it originated?

How is any of that common knowledge that anyone besides Taylor Swift superfans would know

>real social justice issues

Fucking good on her. Making money in music industry is hard, you should get all you can take. Good girl.

Show me where Spotify releases music for free
You don't know what payola means? You don't know who signed her? You don't know who invested in the label?

From a financial standpoint, yeah it's practical. And I'm not disputing the sources. I'm just saying it's idiotic to say the history of some pop star is "common knowledge" and doesn't require sources.

>Show me where Spotify releases music for free
Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.

>Strawman
it was heavily implied and we all know it

>financial
>art
Seems like we have a problem
>I'm just saying it's idiotic to say the history of some pop star is "common knowledge" and doesn't require sources.
I don't know how to respond without you thinking that you know less about music than I, so I'm just not going to respond
>heavily implied
Please stick to actual arguments instead of putting words into my mouth in order to be right
Don't break your back moving goalposts user!

>evidence
>a tumblr post and a copypasta
hmm

>If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it

You didn't research for yourself?

That's OK I forgot that we often spoonfeed babies
Not seeing you answer my question here.

Where does Spotify release music for free?

Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.

Show me where I said she should release it for free

>If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it

Not seeing the words "release it for free".

Try again?

Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.

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>If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it

>So it's all about money and not letting her art be heard by her fans?

If the "therefore" is not there, this argument means absolutely nothing

>You didn't research for yourself?
>That's OK I forgot that we often spoonfeed babies

You were claiming that all the arguments you need are portrayed in a tumblr post and a copypasta. I disagree. Now you are claiming yourself that further research is needed, and thus your previous post is moot garbage. I still want evidence, but you're refusing to provide proper sources.

>Please answer my Strawman!
Stop
>If the "therefore" is not there, this argument means absolutely nothing
I didn't say "therefore". What are you talking about?
>You were claiming that all the arguments you need are portrayed in a tumblr post and a copypasta.
No, I never mentioned tumblr or copypasta. Not sure what you mean.
>Now you are claiming yourself that further research is needed
Well, you are wondering where this information comes from, it would require research, wouldn't it?
>I still want evidence,
Where have you looked thus far?

>Strawman
no

Yes, because you are attempting to hold me accountable to something I never said.

Thanks for the discussion though. Maybe you've learned something about music marketing

>No, I never mentioned tumblr or copypasta. Not sure what you mean.

>
> >But you have no evidence to support it do for so
> See (OP) and

>sued her old guitar teacher
Source?

Also, she's on Apple Music and Google Play as far as I know.

Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.

I'm looking for the words "tumblr" and "copypasta" and I don't see them in those posts.

Try again.

>If she cared about delivering her art to her fans she'd find the easiest method to do it.

Releasing something for free is literally the easiest method for fans to get it.

okay you got me there lul

Does anyone who talks about "le mainstream media" actually read mainstream media? When that Kimye thing happened it was on the front page of tons of gossip magazine.

>Releasing something for free is literally the easiest method for fans to get it.
Not really because it devalues the music itself. It inherently needs a price, and thus cannot be given away for free and is certainly not the easiest way.

Show me how releasing something for free isn't the most convenient for fans.
No 'devalues' is not an answer no one fucking cares and it'd apply to streaming as well.

The idea that privileges should be equally distributed throughout society

Releasing music with no value is not convenient for fans. Would you want valueless music?

It's not valueless to me if I like it you fucking idiot. Kys you fucking cancer on humanity.

>if I like it
Not relevant. We are talking about the value of music, not how you perceive it.

"This thing is not as valuable because it costs less".

Personally I'd rather pay someone who released a great work for free and pay them in some fashion later (via live shows, merch etc) instead of have some mediocre work that you can only listen to if you pay for it.

>Not relevant.
Wrong kys.
>We are talking about the value of music
Yes.
>not how you perceive it.
No contradiction.

Kys.

Is this supposed to be surprising? She's a top 40 pop star, of course she was a stage child with rich parents. People should really see how deep the rabbit hole is when they realize that 'authentic' rocks acts like Red ot Chilli Peppers. The Strokes and Courtney Love became famous through these and avenues: nepotism and wealth.

>"This thing is not as valuable because it costs less".
Correct.
>Personally
Not relevant.
>kys
Sorry if you think the conversation is over. Again, I hope you learned something today about how pretend "art" is created and shoved down certain people's throats, who in turn think they actually want it.

>I hope you learned something today about how pretend "art" is created and shoved down certain people's throats, who in turn think they actually want it.
Why, that has nothing to do with anything you said.

We weren't talking about marketing music?

Please read the thread.

What's wrong with an artist not talking outside of their art and wanting only legitimate sales?

she's a musical capitalist, and that's it

If you gave her resources growing up to any random half decent YouTube guitar cover girl I guarantee you'd end up with the same result

Yeah Thom York did the same shit but you don't see Sup Forums jumping to attack him. Other shit is still valid though.

>taylor swift
>not talking outside of their art
No we were talking about delivering it.

>No we were talking about delivering it.
You mean a marketing ploy in itself?

Sure

value is subjective, especially in a free market economy such as the US

i hate ed droste but am not a fan of taylor swift either
really makes me think

don't bother he's probably a stupid marxist trying to defend ltv

>self absorbed brat

You know, I'm about as far away from ra-ra feminism bullshit there is, but being a smart business woman doesn't make her a brat. In fact using the term brat is pretty lame and dismissive especially when it's coming from an inferiority complex.

Yeah its not surprising in the least. Even a lot of the popular "indie"/pitchfork-core artists are trust fund kiddies with connections.

He's literally not, though. You do realize he's trolling, right? Of course I have responded to several of his replies, but at least I'm a self-aware replyfag.