I'm not too familiar with recorded music history. Does there exist recordings on wax cylinder or whatever of Clara Schumann or Joseph Joachim performing Brahms? Do they just exist as legends?
Owen Ward
no, you're a shit composer. discontinue posting your trash in these threads.
Jason Clark
at leat it's something fresh mot Beethoven for the 10,001st time (not that user)
Isaiah Ross
@70139719
>melodies handed to you >composing in one of the easiest forms
Quite a different style of playing compared to today
Joseph Smith
Keep trying, even someone like you can learn how to reference previous posts, if you put in the effort.
Joshua Brown
I think it was two days ago when some user posted an edison cylinder recording of Brahms. youtube.com/watch?v=yRcMPxbaDAY There is also that one recording of Tschaikowski and Anton Rubinstein.
Chase Bennett
+70139952 you're just mad because you're derivative of a derivative
Thomas Adams
There is most certainly no reason for me to doubt that. It at least seems doable to me.
Angel Ortiz
it's more craftsmanship than artistry when composing in these quantities
Hudson Powell
that's wild
Owen Wood
Good point. Still I don't think it devalues the end product in any way if that's what you're implying.
Brody Lopez
depends on what you're looking for in music. It still can be made very well but it won't have such personal depth like Beethoven and the romantics after him had
Jack Johnson
Definitely ! Scarlatti's sonatas are fun to play from time to time while one can devote several years for one of Beethoven's more complex piano sonatas.
Josiah Parker
Mozart is a very over-rated composer, whose music is riddled with appalling cliches (and yes they were cliches in his day not just ours). He has brief moments of quality, but the music always reverts to an appallingly obvious and over-used cadence, after a few brief seconds of interest. The early classical style was a case of musical degeneration, not any kind of real advancement. It moves away from the tight structure and advanced counterpoint of Bach, but does not achieve the same emotional quality as romantic music. I regard Mozart as an important developmental composer, but this does not make him a great composer. I think it is a case of Mozart having taken a step backwards, to allow later composers to take two steps forwards.
Matthew Carter
yeah, it's kinda like the same way backwards that the composer took. I'm reading a very interesting book by Ernst Kurth atm where he shows that music is only the symbol of psychological issues of the composer. The classics didn't have much unconscious parts in their music, while the romantics had almost exclusively unconscious parts encrypted into their music
Jaxson Butler
where do you guys stand on HIP?
Ethan Martinez
only a person with limited musical knowledge would say something like that. Mozart was classical, don't look for unconscious stuff in his music. It's pure form, pure intellect.
"I adore Mozart and will do so until my last breath" (Beethoven)
Ryder Martinez
"Well, I wish you good night But first shit in your bed and make it burst. Sleep soundly, my love Into your mouth your arse you'll shove." (Mozart)
Justin Brown
so what do you want to proov? That Mozart didn't care what people think about him? If you think his music is overrated make your point with music.
Ryder Hernandez
That pasta is 18 years old.
Only music literature I've read was Heinrich Neuhaus "Kunst des Klavierspiels". I might give him a read. Also which Beethoven Sonatas would you consider being your favorites ?
Thomas Ramirez
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Landon Anderson
the last two are incredible, but I needed some time to accknowledge them. I love for some strange reason #6, esp the second movement. And #25 is extremely funny.
Are you German btw?
Logan Cooper
good when done right
i don't like it how most HIPsters don't utilize heavy amounts of portamenti though even when it's appropriate to do so
Isaiah Barnes
How to get into Chopin? I've started listening to classical music 2 months ago. So far I listen manly to Beethoven's sonatas and string quartets (I've still haven't heard his symphonies, I want to hear them live first), Scarlatti's piano sonatas, Bach's WTC, GV and AoF, certain Ravel pieces (mainly his piano works and his Piano Concerto) and various Debussy short piano pieces.
I still find hard listening to romantic, late romantic, modern and contemporary music. the latter 2, I just don't get it. About romantic and late romantic music, I find it accessible enough, but it never manage to move me, even if, as far as I know, it should be the point of this music. What's so interesting about Chopin and Liszt music?
Blake Carter
>I still find it hard after two months this is no wonder. You can fill you're whole life with classical music, no need to rush and spoil it forever. Just follow your taste atm, being able to understand the more advanced works will take time
I responded to your posts in which you made no point with music, but only wrote a few platitudes worthy of Mozart himself. You finished it all with a meaningless quote, so I did as well.
Most people are dumb, they don't want to be challenged intellectually or emotionally. They want the familiar, unconfrontational - and Mozart's music is perfectly suited for this. You see the average human IQ is 100, and it was even lower in the 18th century than it is today. Why do you think Mozart's music is so popular and entry level? Princely because it is an appealing collection of cliches, of potency no greater than inter-office memes.
Blake Bennett
>cliches Eh, we've read that Gould interview too. It is regarded as trash by virtually every musicologist. Also you should try to read Gould's diaries. He costantly complain about how his technique is not suitable for most common practice and romantic music, and surprise surprise, in public he always complains about how much of a sham that music is. He was just an hypocrite, stop parroting his opinions.
Justin Hernandez
I just thought you'd like Beethoven, so I figured his opinion on Mozart would matter to you. You just posted something Mozart said, which has no connection to his music whatsoever
Andrew Gomez
>being able to understand the more advanced works About that. I may be a newbie, but I usually find harder to listen to more conventional music. For example the early Beethoven's sonatas always sound way more boring than the late ones. The Goldberg Variations are way less entertaining to me than the Art of Fugue. Considering that I technically still don't know what I'm listening to, what's happening here? Why is the Moonlight Sonata so boring when compared to the Sonata 32?
Caleb Miller
>They want the familiar, unconfrontational - and Mozart's music is perfectly suited for this Mozart was considered too harsh by his contemporaries and is clearly too much of a confrontational composer today by plebs.
Brandon Johnson
your opinion on Mozart is so wrong and it's so evident that you're only butthurt. Maybe you're not into opera, so it's excusable that you can't grasp Mozart. But at least the three last symphonies should show you that it's bullshit what you're saying. I guess you don't produce anything yourself, so you can't acknowledge that someone puts something in this world that is so perfect and so easy to understand, even for entry levels. This is no malus at all
James Hill
mozart's "popularity" was brief and it wasn't until an early 20th century revival that his music started being widely programmed again.
this is after heavy championing from other composers and performers, like Strauss, Mahler, and Brahms and so on
Nathaniel Turner
It's melodic, lyrical, song-like or whatever. He was super obsessed with minute changes in dynamics. He composed weird genres, particularly mazurkas.
Jordan Jenkins
Mozart was a living legend for most late common practice and romantic composers. Hell, even Schoenberg was influenced by him. His works have always been studied to great extent by all scholars. At best you can complain about the fame that it gained on the uneducated masses, but to be fair that fame is entirely justified.
Caleb Perez
just be happy that you have quick access to the good stuff, but don't deduce that it works in any case. If you don't get it, you just don't get it, wait a few years and try again. Maybe you'll never like it at all. But that doesn't mean that you're uncivilized or stupid, it's just a waste of time. Look for something else that brings you joy and get proficient in another field. Strangely many people try to force themself into liking certain pieces of music, it just makes you're life harder
Cameron Myers
>What's so interesting about Chopin and Liszt music?
You'll grow into it. Perhaps start with Liszt's Faust symphony, or if you really want easy mode go with stuff like Liebesträume and Consolations. Once you really start feeling his stuff listen to the Totentanz (for orchestra).
With Chopin start with the preludes, then if Ballads then whatever you feel like. There will probably come a time when you'll only listen to his stuff over and over again, but wait until then if you're not feeling it.
Jack Cook
the real genius of Mozart is that his simultaneously easy for plebs whilst also providing boundless depths for the educated
Jose Anderson
just plain wrong
Isaiah Robinson
And of course, like every Mozart fanboy, you claim to be among the "educated".
Noah Young
I agree. I'm pretty sure that I will appreciate it the most in my '80s-'90s. His music is truly immortal.
Ja. Didn't expect no. 6 since it barely gets attention. Same applies to Op. 79. Both are unique in their own way though. Any preferred recordings for the last two sonatas?
Mason Lee
the second one is my Mozart favorite. I recently found a sonatina from his early years that has the exact same theme
Evan Flores
>implying that Mozart is not one of the most studied composers across academics Come on, it's a fact. Mozart has been venerated by basically every classical musician of the last 2 centuries. There is no pianist, violinist or flutist who has never studied extensively Mozart. Jesus Christ, even the Soviets allowed to play Mozart's music during WW2.
Luis Miller
nice, I'm German, too Backhaus is my Beethoven favorite, there are nice recordings on yt
>There is no pianist, violinist or flutist who has never studied extensively Mozart.
On the contrary, only people who can't handle Beethoven get assigned Mozart in the academics. He is only studied because at some point you have to learn the basics of cliches. He is well suited for those educational purposes, I admit. The problem is when dilettantes start looking at his scores to feel high brow.
Jaxon Murphy
>only people who can't handle Beethoven get assigned Mozart in the academics
Yes, somebody has to write textbooks. And Mozart is easily broken down and marketable.
Tyler Murphy
Mozart mozzart (underrated) Moorzart
Wyatt Ortiz
shit trolling desu
Ethan Johnson
Gesualdo, Bach, Petzold
Jason Williams
Beethoven (nothing for a long time) Schubert Mendelssohn
Bentley Bailey
>On the contrary, only people who can't handle Beethoven get assigned Mozart in the academics.
Aiden Butler
1) Beethoven 2) Bach (wich, I'm sure will be my no.1 when I'll get old) 3) Scarlatti/Haydyn (depending on my mood)
Anthony Wright
>On the contrary, only people who can't handle Beethoven get assigned Mozart in the academics.
Cooper Diaz
Why are Chopin's piano concertos so often disregarded? I've heard the second one yesterday night, live, and it moved me deeply. I didn't particularly appreciate the orchestration, but the piano parts were incredible.
Brayden Wright
Bach Lassus Martinů
Jackson Cooper
It's ok, user, you can say the orchestration is subshit-tier.
Nathan Cooper
hello /classical/, what's a great classical recording to listen too on good headphones?
Eh, it was somewhat unimaginative. I liked the notes that they were playing, but the dynamic range was amateurish at best. Still, those piano solos were amazing. >tfw he wrote it when he was 20
