If Pain and Gain didn't already do it, does this finally end the "Michael Bay sucks" meme?
This felt so aptly directed, restrained and measured compared to his previous works. It's tonally cohesive, action is always perfectly decipherable and incredibly effective in building tension through visual storytelling. The script is surprisingly really good, with its attention to details, characterization, understanding of a complex geopolitical chessboard, depiction of power dynamics and tactical situations. Like American Sniper, it's far from mindless muh 'murika heroes, blind patriotism bullshit. The political message is minimal, but there's a clear non-PC POV, in just showing how the guys who physically risk their lives the most are fully aware that the chain of command (CIA, WH) is fucking them -and local populations- over but they're simply professionals good at killing and trying to make a hard living because the economic situation is hell at home.
While it still fetishizes warfare with shots that linger on muscles or guns for maximum visual impact inherited from his MTV style, it genuinely feels like a anti-war, more than an action movie with a siege situation, it's a horror movie, a nightmare, in the tradition of Romero's Night of the Living Dead or Carpenter's Assault.
Brody Cook
I am genuinely excited. I think Bay is one of the best directors of our time, without being shoved up his own ass like Snyder.
Kayden Hall
Yeah. Now comes the age of the "Michael Bay is somewhat competent when he tries" meme.
Julian Bell
I haven't seen this yet but The Rock was a great action film.
Daniel Morris
Yes that part where one dunecoon literally gets sawn in half in a hail of bullets felt really restrained and subtle, the hidden symbolism was barely noticeable
John Sullivan
Pretty good movie. The guy from the office sucked though. Lots of stupid little one liners and terrible delivery of his short sentences.
Hunter Reed
technically he is a great director, he just wants the easy fast dollar, so he goes the lowbrow schlock route.
he gives the plebs their slop. but i KNOW he could drop some fine art shit that even james cameron would catch hell trying to reach.
Robert Moore
also the family photo floating through the air after the mortar hit. very subtle stuff.
Sebastian Russell
Who keeps making these threads?
This movie was fucking shit. Fuck off.
Gavin Edwards
So why hasn't he?
Evan Walker
Hillary please leave.
Jose Moore
I got a strong Scott vibe in one or two places and not in a good way, and some of the usual Bay-ism dialogue was weak, but other than that it was good.
Josiah Wilson
Pain and Gain was unfunny drivel but 13 Hours actually was really intense, same feeling as a good horror movie
also was light in the propaganda and is the only movie I've seen where you see literally the bad guys wives and kids grieving over their dead bodies after the heroes escape
Hudson Perez
>why would they show what an LMG does to someone in a war movie? is it racist?
Ethan Gray
The only thing I'd disagree with you on is that American Sniper was mindless muh 'murika heroes, blind patriotism bullshit
Hudson Green
LMGs don't do that silly
Oliver Miller
Maybe he can do translations very well, but has ZERO knack for coordinating an original screenplay.
Jacob Parker
American Sniper was awful though
Samuel Lee
All I can do is suggest you to re-watch Eastwood's WW2 movies
Camden Myers
fast easy money. It's his drug. pump out the scholck for huge paycheck, rinse , repeat.
his technical skills are amazing though, maybe he just hast found his true muse yet?
Cameron Ward
Given how badly the US fucked up in Libya, I was surprised by how apolitical this was.
Brandon Morgan
>Six men
What about the brave women of color, you sexist hitlord?
Brody Perez
If you look hard enough, they are in there.
William Anderson
It had 10/10 effects, i literally couldn't see one effect that looked iffy or fake.
William Reyes
>characterization lmao what characterization? The only reason the audience should like the main characters is because they have families back home. Not one of them have any distinct personality traits and are all the same even though they set them up to be very different from each other. Only character I remember having a little personality was the ex-army dude. But yes the effects were good. Movie is a 6.5/10, not anything higher than that.
Gabriel Murphy
>muh benghazi hillary did nothing wrong you cucks
Robert Thomas
Might be the first time I've seen a movie rpg that's not slow motion or flying at the speed of a soccer ball.
Andrew Morris
>"We Came, We Saw, He Died"
Cameron Cook
>The US
Let's be clear here, Hillary
Jaxson Edwards
You literally get torn apart when hit with something like 12.7mm. What's the point complain about gore in R-rated war movie?
Logan Jenkins
>boo hoo some CIA operatives and the ambassador guy died in efforts to destabilize another country.
That film is honestly laughable with it constantly reiterating that Americans dying is the most horrible thing that can possibly happen. Good effects though