4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 2

4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 2

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You have to understand one thing: For all the shit the prequels get, most of it is from people who didn't watch them when they came out, because they were too young. These are the people who missed out on both the original trilogy AND the prequels.

They copied the hate for the prequels to fit in with the jaded autists who are now in their 40s.

So for those people, TFA is their first star wars release that they are actively part of, so they HAVE to like it, it's like "shit, I wanna belong to this fandom, because I missed the two previous trains". So they blindly hype it, completely ignore all flaws. They're forcing themselves. And they'll defend this movie to the death. Every reviewer that uses phrases like "the first good star wars movie since 19xx" falls into the same category of youngsters who have no taste.

These people, from a subconscious fear of never really being part of this fandom, are now praising the movie to be the next coming of christ. Everyone who isn't still shitting their diapers and can actually judge the movie objectively will tell you: This one is the worst of the bunch.
Yes, worse than the prequels. It's like a chinese knockoff of star wars, bearing nothing that made the previous 6 movies charming (I say charming and not good, because they were both good at something, but not at the same thing". The only thing this has in common with star wars is the title. It's blatant nostalgia fanwank down to copying most of the plot from ANH, ripping off all major setpieces and shoehorning an "epic phrase" ála "i have a bad feeling about this" in the dialogue every 2-3 minutes.
Do me a favor and watch the prequels when you have the time again, just do it, and try to note how much they relied on recalling the original trilogy. It's not a lot. That's why the prequels, while having a different focus than the OT, succeed as a movie series. TFA does not.

This guy gets it

Bellissimo

i know its pasta, but just in case anyone actually believes this:

i was 20 when the first prequel came out, it sucked then and it sucks now

5 > 4 > 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prequels

kill yourself

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1, 2and 3 are garbage sure, but 7 did far more to hurt my opinion if the franchise. I really didn't need to know almost every character went and dulled in a corner and then died like a birch. Nothing about 7 was remotely enjoyable.

for you.

>7 over 3

3>4>5>6>2>1>>>>>>>>>>

>Do me a favor and watch the prequels when you have the time again, just do it, and try to note how much they relied on recalling the original trilogy. It's not a lot.

>C3PO shoved in for no reason
>R2D2 back for no reason
>dude Jango Fett is also a bounty hunter lmao
>Clones are a ripoff of storm troopers
>dude Baby Boba Fett lmao
>Republic ships are a ripoff of Imperial Star destroyers
>Naboo is earth
>Death Star plans in Attack of the Clones
>All Jedi wear Tatooine farmer robes
>Corisant is a ripoff of the city from Blade Runner
>dude Genonisis is Tatooine with rocks lmao
>dude Kamino is just Cloud City with water instead of clouds lmao
>Death Star ripoff in TPM
>not a lot

5>7>4>6>3>1>2 for me currently

sry, 7 and 4 the other way around

Excellent reasoning my friend. Bravo.

The only correct answer kind of

Not him but The Phantom Menace was the biggest disappointment in cinematic history.

The whole fucking plot of the prequels is about Darth Vader. And yes they did shoehorn in a bunch of bullshit, such as Anakin building C3PO (which makes no fucking sense), R2D2 being in it, Chewbacca being in it, the entire clone army being made from Boba Fett's DNA, Yoda having a huge role, and probably a whole bunch of other shit I don't remember. TFA just happened to be even worse in that regard.

5>4>the rest

4, 5, 6, 7.
Thats all there is.

so goddamn embrassing

It's not surprising that the same people who attack the prequels are always unversed in real film or anything artistic, and that the people who praise the prequels (Zizek, Paglia and Brody) are always literate, educated, and versed in real film.

The fact that everyone points to Plinkett as the authority on why the prequels are bad speaks volumes. Mike Stoklasa is one of the least artistic people on the planet - he can't process movies outside of the conventions of Hollywood films, his approach to narrative is tempered with the same surface-level requisites listed on tvtropes.

Any complaint that people have about the prequels illustrates a weak grasp on film. Their sensibilities for 'good dialogue' in what is intentionally pulp comes from bad pulp, ie, the original Star Wars, the only pulp they've ever seen. They would similarly view any homage-driven art film and miss the entire point.

Lucas' only mistake in the prequels was doing something daring, original, artistic and literate, not realizing that the manchildren conditioned by the original SW trilogy to loathe anything cerebral would lash out against his cinematic risks.

episode 1 basically invented modern mental gymnastics.

in what order would you watch the first 6 with your future child?
mine would probably be
4->5->2->3->6->1

The prequels had absolutely no reason to piggyback off the OT but they did.

>Obi-Wan: Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?

>Anakin: Don't say that, master. You're the closest thing I have to a father.

TFA was a sequel, it had to tie in to the events of the OT somehow.

its not surprising the people who praise the prequels have to rely entirely upon copypasta.

6>7>5>4>3>2>1

FIGHT ME

I just pressed random numbers.

5>4>7>6>1>3>2

4 paragraphs, and it's still weak bait senpai.

>Lucas' only mistake in the prequels was doing something daring, original, artistic and literate, not realizing that the manchildren conditioned by the original SW trilogy to loathe anything cerebral would lash out against his cinematic risks.

It's like poetry. It rhymes.
youtube.com/watch?v=9yOYiVHKOog

TFA was not only a course-correction of the franchise (had to remind people what Star Wars is really about after the prequels) but it also serves as a story about legacy and how the previous generation influences the new. Virtually every character is motivated by their interpretation of the characters and events of the Galactic Civil War. Just like in our universe, the heroes of the original trilogy are legends.

In the prequels George just shoved a bunch of shit in there because DUDE POETRY LMAO

4>5>3>6>2>7>1

4 > 5 > 3 > 6 > 1 > 2

7 isn't canon

V > IV > VII > III > VI >>>>>>>>>> I = II

Yes, the only reason TFA is the way it is, it's because of the prequels.

Just like how Batman Begins is the way it is because of Batman and Robin.

Just like how Casino Royale is the way it is because of Die Another Day.

Just like how Star Trek 09 is because of Star Trek: Nemesis

Just like how X-Men: First Class is because of X-Men: The Last Stand/Origins: Wolverine.

Just like how Godzilla 2014 was after Godzilla 98.

Just like how The Living Daylights was the way it was because of A View to a Kill.

A movie meant to steer the franchise into the right direction after its gone through its lowest point.

Dubs for fresh honest pasta

Unless you're ranking the OT as individual films - which makes little sense - Empire is the best.

Ranking the prequels is pointless as they're all terrible and ruined the franchise.

TFA is a reboot and shouldn't even be considered part of the series.

watchable but mega-pleb trite tier:
456
boring pretentious trite tier
123
unwatchable trite made for children tier
7, every spinoff

Is this true:

makingstarwars.net/2016/06/rumor-the-force-is-with-a-beloved-character-in-star-wars-viii-and-who-is-not-reys-father/

I'll put TFA behind SW2 if so

>TFA is a reboot and shouldn't even be considered part of the series.
>b8 or not, there are people legitimately this autistic about star wars

It's part of the series, stop crying about it you child.

>millennials needing to have their own version of everything

I bet you also consider the Daniel Craig movies legitimate James Bond films.

People who hate TFA are more triggered by "muh jews muh evil corporations muh disney" than anything in the actual movie.

They decided back in 2012 that they were going to hate the new Star Wars movies no matter what.

Why the fuck does everyone say 3 is the best prequel?

>4 > 5 > 6 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 7

TFA pacing was horrible

Because it is, no matter how disappointing General Grevious is as a villain.

I think 1 is better than 3, if only because of the >younglings.

Pacing wasn't great. But the film itself is easily better than 2/3 of the Prequel Trilogy.

I was severely disappointed by TFA, but I wasn't determined to hate or dislike it. Going in I knew it was going to borrow quite a bit from ANH. Though the amount of borrowing was still staggering. That's not getting into the other problems: lackluster protagonist, weak score, poor pacing, contrived writing.

You didn't like the youngling part in III? Neither did I. Lucas, the fucking cunt he is, cut out the scene where Anakin kills them and made it a deleted scene. I'll never forgive that fucker.

>le I was born in the wrong generation xDD

kys

I still agree tbqh

5>4>7>6>3>1>2

>people decided that they were going to hate it years before it came out

That's such bullshit. I was looking forward to it, hoping it would get back to the more classic OT after the SE and prequels fucked over the franchise. It turned out to be incredibly mediocre, boring, and ultimately forgettable.

Then again, JJ Abrams is just about the worst big name director in Hollywood right now.

I think a big reason TFA gets hate that has nothing to do with the actual movie is that it was made by Disney.

The Disney buyout of Lucasfilm and their immediate decision to start making SW films as fast as possible just comes off as very cold business to a lot of people. People had made up their mind, before TFA came out, that Disney SW movies are just product and not movies.

When the comparison to A New Hope started being made after TFA came out, people got very negative, especially with the idea Disney's motive was just to make product that appealed to the long-term fans who knew REAL SW was Ep 4-6. Nostalgia money. Hating The Force Awakens was the result of that.

youtube.com/watch?v=vFCBwob65Nw

star wars is for plebs

Because the ending finally connected up with ANH, and people were honestly just happy to be done with it.

>Pacing

Star Wars is deliberately designed to be fast paced dude. Richard Chew Paul Hirsch and Marcia Lucas saved the original cut of ANH from being a tiring overexpository bore.

and keep in mind there's about 30 minutes of no action scenes when they're on Maz's planet.

>lackluster protagonist

Yeah well you know that's just like uh, your opinion man. I'm sorry she didn't read a book about the Force and spend time in a flight simulator to justify her being good with the Force and to satisfy your autism.

>weak score

Again, opinions, prequel score was overly bombastic and takes over every scene. in my opinion, it's not a good score when it takes over the entire picture.

>contrived writing

Yeah, you're most likely a prequelbabby lmao. DUDE WHY DID KYLO LOSE TO REY KYLO SHOULD HAVE MORE MIDICHLORIANS THAN HER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Oscar [Nominee] (2016)
>Best Achievement in Film Editing

There has to someone else with this ranking.

5 > 4 > 6 > 7 > 1 > 3 > 2

he's talking about this

People in Sup Forums SW hype threads =/= people in general

>making me read all of this shit
give me a tl;dr you stupid faggot

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> Star Wars is deliberately designed to be fast paced dude

TFA was too fast and didn't have enough world building. Both things were done better in OT.

> I'm sorry she didn't read a book about the Force and spend time in a flight simulator to justify her being good with the Force and to satisfy your autism

Her development was rushed and her personality is bland. She is so unrealistically skilled the other characters suffer from it and her backstory doesn't really support it. None more than Finn. Who was a terrible waste of potential.

> Yeah, you're most likely a prequelbabby lmao

Literally just dissed the prequels above, somehow a prequel baby. Ok. And the coincidences in TFA are ridiculous. Plus it basically reset the universe.

>world building.

Star Wars isn't a fucking documentary you faggot. The universe serves the characters, not the other way around. This IS prequel logic talking, however you may deny it.

>She is so unrealistically skilled the other characters suffer from it and her backstory doesn't really support it.

Force is about spirit and belief faggot, not biological power levels and 20 years of a literal yoda school.

>Both things were done better in OT

These movies aren't trying to outdo the OT, just recreate it for a new generation.

And they've done that well.

It's just Sup Forums and Sup Forums being stupid and wrong as usual.

but they were wrong

7>3>5>6>2>4>1

> Star Wars isn't a fucking documentary you faggot. The universe serves the characters, not the other way around. This IS prequel logic talking, however you may deny it.

It doesn't have to be a documentary to do good world building. Lucas and whoever he was working with gave a much better sense of the universe in A New Hope. One film. Not a trilogy. In the Prequels, he went overboard. No matter how much you insist, I'm not a fan of the PT. And TFA pretty much abandoned wb altogether. It doesn't have to be too much or nothing. There is a thing called balance.

> Force is about spirit and belief faggot, not biological power levels and 20 years of a literal yoda school.
Did I state anywhere that it wasn't about spirituality and faith? But it still requires some degree of training, according to both Obi-Wan and Darth Vader.

clearly. people are mad that a movie with a black dude and a woman made so much money and received major critical acclaim.

5 ≥ 4 > 6

They've raised the price of a theater ticket by a dollar a year for the past decade. Gross is literally irrelevant, as is RT "critical acclaim".

4 > 6 > 5 > 3 > 7 > 1 > 2

call the cops, I don't give a fuck

7 is the Dragonball GT of Star Wars.

5 > 4 > 7 > 6 > 3 > AIDS > 1 > 2

Metacritic and any other review site will give you a similar opinion.

They why did it take so long to beat Avatar domestically?

5 > 4 >>>>>>>>>>> 6 >> 7 > 3 >>>> 1 > 2

5>6>3>4=7>2=1

>all of those greater than symbols

>too fast

Are you retarded and can't keep up?

Correct, except 5 is better than 4. I do appreciate you recognize 2 is the worst one.

Avatar was the biggest hyped film of all time. TFA was practically just another capeshit flick.

Ten years since the Revenge of the Sith and the promise of returning to the feel of the Original Trilogy (some of the most beloved movies ever). I think that is comparable hype.

Got everything. Not a difficult movie. Just rushed. Some of the action could have been cut to allow more room to breathe.

that doesn't explain why TFA smacked Avatar by a large margin.

Avatar had more expensive tickets because of 3D.

3D was its entire selling point.

TFA was mostly viewed in 2D and still won by a lot.

Plus, Avatar had two theatrical runs and still lost.

Face it, TFA was a huge success.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>implying

A 10/10 IN BONGLAND

>Face it, TFA was a huge success

Nobody is denying it made money, but using that as a measure of it's quality is pointless. Jurassic World is #4, when Jurassic Park is #20, and in fifth place is garbage tier capeshit.

Face it, those numbers are meaningless unless you're a studio exec who doesn't actually care about movies and only looks at the bottom line.

Explain the critical acclaim and major fan satisfaction without memes.

Sup Forums is a small place, just because a few stormweenies hate it doesn't mean people didn't love it.

>Putting anything before Empire

>major fan satisfaction

Kids flocking to a flashy cgi reboot of a retro franchise made just for their generation isn't the same thing as "fan satisfaction".

youre so contrarian and in denial that you must warp reality to fit your own sad delusions.
I feel pity for you, Sup Forumsirgin.
you are a fucking faggot if you wouldnt do anything with Daisy.

Why do you people unironically think 1 is better than 2? Hayden is atrocious (that romance montage is unintentionally hilarious) and it has big flaws but its a masterpiece compared to 1.

Remaking the OT is one thing. But not delivering on a promise to make a sequel to RotJ and wasting Hamill, Ford, and Fisher was disappointing. These actors won't be around forever. And resetting the universe is kind of insulting.

Nevertheless, let's not pretend the PT isn't a mess. Lucas really dropped the ball.

yo the guy behind Every Frame A Painting wrote an essay about why TFA sucks.

medium.com/@tonyszhou/the-force-awakens-is-a-deeply-broken-film-b-c-one-character-shouldn-t-be-there-spoilers-b31e33a44ee6#.t9d2pygj6

>THE FORCE AWAKENS begins with the words “This will begin to make things right.” Many fans are interpreting those words to mean that J.J. Abrams is correcting the prequels. But the real film that Episode VII is fixing is Episode VI. Half of the runtime of this new movie is spent correcting one problem, the mere fact that Han Solo should have died then and didn’t.

Absolute undeniable objective ranking coming through

4=5>6>3>2=1

If you disagree, you're the cancer killing Star Wars